That flashlight in the dark scene...(Are we still saying "Spoilers"?)

Smoke_13

Okay, so I've seen Skyfall a couple times now and I think I've seen how they tried to make an excuse for that terrible scene where M and Kincaid walk across the field with the flashlight on.

When Silva starts walking away from the house he immediately falls down due to the rough terrain. When Bond get out of the tunnel and starts walking he immediately falls down too. (Completely ignore the part two minutes later when Bond is running full speed through the same terrain.)

M is hurt - maybe the flashlight just had to be on to navigate this rough terrain with an injured person? Feeble yes, but I think this may be what the director was trying to use as an excuse.

I'm not just justifying it, the stupidity of seeing them using a flashlight when they're trying to stay hidden at night still irks me, however that has to be the reason. Thoughts? (I haven't stretched for something this much since I was 5 and mom hid the cookies on the top shelf.)

James Suzuki

Also, when you're in a dangerous situation you don't think straight. Kincade grabbed the torchlight because he knew it would be hard to see, he wasn't thinking about Silva seeing the light...he was too busy focusing on M, who he kept on called 'Emma".

LastRatStanding

It was dark and M is an elderly woman. Kincade used the flashlight so she could see where she was walking so she did not fall.

DTReinsma

You better still label it "spoilers" or Minigeff might report you.

minigeff

DTReinsma wrote:

You better still label it "spoilers" or Minigeff might report you.

Diddums, dropped the rattle again have we?

Moore Than

For me, it detracts somewhat from the ending. The flashlight/torch would only make sense if M was on her own. Kincade was perfectly aware of the dangerous situation they were in, he knew the land like the back of his hand and there was plenty of light being given off by the explosion and fire at the Lodge.

Sir Miles

Moore Than wrote:

For me, it detracts somewhat from the ending. The flashlight/torch would only make sense if M was on her own. Kincade was perfectly aware of the dangerous situation they were in, he knew the land like the back of his hand and there was plenty of light being given off by the explosion and fire at the Lodge.

I don't think this will ever cleared up to everyones satisfaction...my take..?...Kincade wanted to get M to safety as quickly as possible...perhaps he wasn't thinking quite straight after the shootout...?...but I think he thought Silva and his men might be more than a tad distracted by Bond than to look away from the building and why would Silva do that anyway..?..he wouldn't know about the tunnel would he...

schaduwoog

No explanation, we can search but it's just bad writing I guess. It would have been better if there was some accidental reflection in some metal or something. Some sparkle or glitter..

Lexi

Well you could look at it, that if they didn't use a flashlight, then Silva would never have found M and Kincade.... and that whole last scene wouldn't have happened )

Thunderpussy

Kincade may of been Good in his youth, ( I could do a Jimmy Saville joke, But I won't )
But now He's just an Old Duffer, so using a torch is just what I'd expect from him. Hell
even Bond thought he was dead. I'd say Bond had him shipped to an Old Peoples Home
as soon as he could. )

Moore Than

Lexi wrote:

Well you could look at it, that if they didn't use a flashlight, then Silva would never have found M and Kincade.... and that whole last scene wouldn't have happened )

M could have stumbled and yelled out in pain giving away their location to Silva. That would have been more effective than the flashlight/torch was.

minigeff

Moore Than wrote:

Lexi wrote:

Well you could look at it, that if they didn't use a flashlight, then Silva would never have found M and Kincade.... and that whole last scene wouldn't have happened )

M could have stumbled and yelled out in pain giving away their location to Silva. That would have been more effective than the flashlight/torch was.

There needed to be a certain amount of uncertainty about it all though. Will she survive, won't she? Etc etc.

Maybe kincade assumed bond and silva would be battling it out in the house, being as he bond and Emma took so long preparing it?

Who knows, but I like many were 'doing a mr 'odges' and couldn't help but think;

"PUT THAT RUDDY LIGHT OUT!!"

Lexi

Moore Than wrote:

Lexi wrote:

Well you could look at it, that if they didn't use a flashlight, then Silva would never have found M and Kincade.... and that whole last scene wouldn't have happened )

M could have stumbled and yelled out in pain giving away their location to Silva. That would have been more effective than the flashlight/torch was.

But with all the noise and commotion going on at the house... I doubt he would have heard her... plus, I think Sir M has a good point... Silva was distracted with all the commotion... so how else was the director going to make it obvious where Kincade and M had gone....??

Agreed a deeply flawed set up... BUT I'm not sure how else it could have happened??

Thunderpussy

M could of fallen and hurt her ankle, Women in Old Horror Movies
where always doing that. ) or swooning, although you don't see
as much of that nowadays.

Smoke_13

I like the "something glittery giving off a reflection." Kincaid is Scottish. He could have found a shiny nickel, and being Scottish he wouldn't have been able to resist the urge to bend over, pick it up, and shout with glee!

But then, If they continued to the church after finding the nickel it would have been a stretch. A true Scot would have spent another hour or two in the same spot just to see if there was another one lying around.

) ) )

Gassy Man

Lexi wrote:

Moore Than wrote:

Lexi wrote:

Well you could look at it, that if they didn't use a flashlight, then Silva would never have found M and Kincade.... and that whole last scene wouldn't have happened )

M could have stumbled and yelled out in pain giving away their location to Silva. That would have been more effective than the flashlight/torch was.

But with all the noise and commotion going on at the house... I doubt he would have heard her... plus, I think Sir M has a good point... Silva was distracted with all the commotion... so how else was the director going to make it obvious where Kincade and M had gone....??

Agreed a deeply flawed set up... BUT I'm not sure how else it could have happened??

Night vision goggles.

minigeff

Smoke_13 wrote:

I like the "something glittery giving off a reflection." Kincaid is Scottish. He could have found a shiny nickel, and being Scottish he wouldn't have been able to resist the urge to bend over, pick it up, and shout with glee!

But then, If they continued to the church after finding the nickel it would have been a stretch. A true Scot would have spent another hour or two in the same spot just to see if there was another one lying around.

) ) )

Or wrote a poem about how lovely it was and that it'd only happen in glorious wee bonnie Scotland )

There again, if it'd happened in blighty, we'd have moaned it was only a quid. )

Thunderbird 2

Smoke_13 wrote:

I like the "something glittery giving off a reflection." Kincaid is Scottish. He could have found a shiny nickel, and being Scottish he wouldn't have been able to resist the urge to bend over, pick it up, and shout with glee!

But then, If they continued to the church after finding the nickel it would have been a stretch. A true Scot would have spent another hour or two in the same spot just to see if there was another one lying around.

) ) )

Bloody cheek! As A Scot I can confirm anything less than 50p, forget it! I wouldn't even stop. Plus there are no nickels lying around the highlands. Or lowlands.

I must admit, when I learned John Logal co-wrote this film (after I saw it) I immediately thought this might have been his doing, and was worried. Star Trek Nemesis had these kind of errors through its awful writing.



Hows this? - M has her mobile. Once at the chapel (should have been referred to a Kirk really,) she tried to use her mobile to call in the cavalry. - Silva, knowing M is the Queen on the MI6 chess board, has a scanner that detects her phone is in use, and locally too. The signal is not far - triangulating on the chapel. "Mother is calling home, time to interrupt her!"

Maybe a bit techy, but better than that bloody torch as a plot device! Plus I don't care if Kincade is 70 or 700. He would know better than to use a torch until inside the chapel and out of potential danger.

Napoleon Plural

You're all idiots.

Kirkade is in on it with Silva. Or Quantum; 'they have people everywhere'. He deliberately uses the flashlight to alert Silva to their whereabouts. That's why Silva doesn't shoot him immediately on sight, he's on the team.

He also slipped M the fatal poison; Bond thinks she dies of the wound but she would have known how badly off she was.

Actually Bond was in on it too. Notice how quickly he closes her eyelids when she carks it! Very suspect.

Silhouette Man

Sir Miles wrote:

Moore Than wrote:

For me, it detracts somewhat from the ending. The flashlight/torch would only make sense if M was on her own. Kincade was perfectly aware of the dangerous situation they were in, he knew the land like the back of his hand and there was plenty of light being given off by the explosion and fire at the Lodge.

I don't think this will ever cleared up to everyones satisfaction...my take..?...Kincade wanted to get M to safety as quickly as possible...perhaps he wasn't thinking quite straight after the shootout...?...but I think he thought Silva and his men might be more than a tad distracted by Bond than to look away from the building and why would Silva do that anyway..?..he wouldn't know about the tunnel would he...

Yes, Kincade being an ordinary person in a Bond film (surely a rarity in itself) - he is not a professional gunslinger like James Bond - I think you've nailed the answer to this (frankly) pointless nitpicking.

Silhouette Man

Thunderbird 2 wrote:

Smoke_13 wrote:

I like the "something glittery giving off a reflection." Kincaid is Scottish. He could have found a shiny nickel, and being Scottish he wouldn't have been able to resist the urge to bend over, pick it up, and shout with glee!

But then, If they continued to the church after finding the nickel it would have been a stretch. A true Scot would have spent another hour or two in the same spot just to see if there was another one lying around.

) ) )

Bloody cheek! As A Scot I can confirm anything less than 50p, forget it! I wouldn't even stop. Plus there are no nickels lying around the highlands. Or lowlands.

I must admit, when I learned John Logal co-wrote this film (after I saw it) I immediately thought this might have been his doing, and was worried. Star Trek Nemesis had these kind of errors through its awful writing.



Hows this? - M has her mobile. Once at the chapel (should have been referred to a Kirk really,) she tried to use her mobile to call in the cavalry. - Silva, knowing M is the Queen on the MI6 chess board, has a scanner that detects her phone is in use, and locally too. The signal is not far - triangulating on the chapel. "Mother is calling home, time to interrupt her!"

Maybe a bit techy, but better than that bloody torch as a plot device! Plus I don't care if Kincade is 70 or 700. He would know better than to use a torch until inside the chapel and out of potential danger.

Yes, he gripped that torch tighter than an Englishman playing a Scotsman gripping a five pound note!