Was anyone bothered by... spoiler

schaduwoogschaduwoog Posts: 97MI6 Agent
in Skyfall - Bond 23 (2012)
...the fact that moneypenny is a black girl? I'm no racsist (otherwise i would be living in the wrong part of town :)) ) but i think it's just incorrect. I had the same with felix leiter a few years ago, but now again... is this positive discrimination? Does anyone know why they chose her (probably because they thought she was a good actress, but does anyone have any good information to share)?
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  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,707MI6 Agent
    edited November 2012
    Not bothered at all. Harris and Craig have an awesome on screen chemistry. If she stays in the role past Craigs tenure, I'm sure she'll have the same chemistry. I hope Harris stays around for a while.
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,746Chief of Staff
    Can't say I'd given it any thought on that level...Miss Harris seems a more than capable actress...and very easy on the eye too ;%
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  • LexiLexi LondonPosts: 3,000MI6 Agent
    Nope.

    Why should it matter? Skin colour has nothing to do with ability... and your comments suggest they do on both levels.
    1. A balck girl can't work for M16
    2. A black girl shouldn't play Moneypenny... 8-)

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I think given the Banter she and Bond had in Skyfall. Miss Harris is going to
    Be a Very,Very Good Miss Monepenny. -{
    As for her being Black, So Fu*king What. As far as I can see she Ticks all the Boxes.
    Hell she even shot Craig, that alone gets a Big thumbs up from Me. :))

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  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    schaduwoog wrote:
    ...the fact that moneypenny is a black girl? I'm no racsist (otherwise i would be living in the wrong part of town :)) ) but i think it's just incorrect. I had the same with felix leiter a few years ago, but now again... is this positive discrimination? Does anyone know why they chose her (probably because they thought she was a good actress, but does anyone have any good information to share)?

    You don't like black actors playing felix leiter or eve, but you don't say why....

    I'm all for freedom of speech and opinions, but you're not painting yourself in a very good light here.

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    White paint , of course. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    http://youtu.be/aw6ZKwdcOQw

    Here's the woman herself singing the praises of Daniel Craig.
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  • JamesBondGuyJamesBondGuy DenmarkPosts: 144MI6 Agent
    minigeff wrote:
    I'm all for freedom of speech and opinions, but you're not painting yourself in a very good light here.

    MG -{

    Why not? It's his opinion. I don't like a black Felix or Moneypenny either.
  • BluntInstrumentBluntInstrument A little plane tree'd squarePosts: 7MI6 Agent
    Not in the slightest.

    And, IMHO, Jeffrey Wright is the definitive Felix Leiter - his ethnic origin is irrelevant.
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  • Ens007Ens007 EnglandPosts: 863MI6 Agent
    JamesBondGuy wrote:
    Why not? It's his opinion. I don't like a black Felix or Moneypenny either.

    Out of interest: why??

    I'm staggered & slightly alarmed that race seems to be a recurring theme on this forum.
  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,860MI6 Agent
    O no, not this again....
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  • JamesBondGuyJamesBondGuy DenmarkPosts: 144MI6 Agent
    edited November 2012
    Ens007 wrote:
    JamesBondGuy wrote:
    Why not? It's his opinion. I don't like a black Felix or Moneypenny either.

    Out of interest: why??

    I'm staggered & slightly alarmed that race seems to be a recurring theme on this forum.

    I will be happy to answer your question.

    Let me start by saying that I am in no way a racist. I love the James Bond novels Ian Fleming wrote. In the books Moneypenny, Felix, M and James Bond are all white people, M is also a male in the books. I think it's great that we have a male M back, and i'm not a male chauvinist.

    Timothy Dalton is my favorite Bond because he is the one that IMO comes closest to Ian Fleming's version. I just like to have it as original as possible, just like Ian Fleming wrote it. I hope this answers your question.
  • Smoke_13Smoke_13 Kitchener Ont CanadaPosts: 285MI6 Agent
    More concerned with how the two of them interact with each other. I think they nailed the relationship between Bond and Moneypenny bang on.
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    Like I said before, I'm all for people having an opinion, but what's important here is a reason why, otherwise IMO people can come across as very short sighted.

    I don't like the idea of a black Bond, but that's because he's traditionally a white Englishman.

    You could say the same of Moneypenny, Q, M etc but they're not the main character, which in my mind, makes all the difference.
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  • Ens007Ens007 EnglandPosts: 863MI6 Agent
    JamesBondGuy wrote:
    Ens007 wrote:
    JamesBondGuy wrote:
    Why not? It's his opinion. I don't like a black Felix or Moneypenny either.

    Out of interest: why??

    I'm staggered & slightly alarmed that race seems to be a recurring theme on this forum.

    I will be happy to answer your question.

    Let me start by saying that I am in no way a racist. I love the James Bond novels Ian Fleming wrote. In the books Moneypenny, Felix, M and James Bond are all white people, M is also a male in the books. I think it's great that we have a male M back, and i'm not a male chauvinist.

    Timothy Dalton is my favorite Bond because he is the one that IMO comes closest to Ian Fleming's version. I just like to have it as original as possible, just like Ian Fleming wrote it. I hope this answers your question.

    Just to make it clear, I wasn't attempting to call you out (or imply you were) as a racist.

    You've given a very well reasoned answer & good on you for backing up your opinion.

    As another poster has just said, I look to see the interactions between the actors / characters and I think Craig has excelled in this regard with Wright previously, along with Harris presently.
  • JamesBondGuyJamesBondGuy DenmarkPosts: 144MI6 Agent
    Ens007 wrote:
    JamesBondGuy wrote:
    Ens007 wrote:

    Out of interest: why??

    I'm staggered & slightly alarmed that race seems to be a recurring theme on this forum.

    I will be happy to answer your question.

    Let me start by saying that I am in no way a racist. I love the James Bond novels Ian Fleming wrote. In the books Moneypenny, Felix, M and James Bond are all white people, M is also a male in the books. I think it's great that we have a male M back, and i'm not a male chauvinist.

    Timothy Dalton is my favorite Bond because he is the one that IMO comes closest to Ian Fleming's version. I just like to have it as original as possible, just like Ian Fleming wrote it. I hope this answers your question.

    Just to make it clear, I wasn't attempting to call you out (or imply you were) as a racist.

    You've given a very well reasoned answer & good on you for backing up your opinion.

    As another poster has just said, I look to see the interactions between the actors / characters and I think Craig has excelled in this regard with Wright previously, along with Harris presently.

    I don't worry I know that, no hard feelings :).

    I think Harris did a fine job as Moneypenny, her acting was great. But my dream actress for Moneypenny is Gemma Arterton. But it would be weird to bring her back from the dead.
  • The Domino EffectThe Domino Effect Posts: 3,638MI6 Agent
    No problem at all. In fact, I loved the creation of the back story between Bond and Moneypenny...and the scene in which Bond arrives in the office and you see the hat-stand and the padded door leading to M's office was a wonderful throw-back to the Connery/Maxwell days. I too think she'll be an awesome Moneypenny and I think she will help develop the more human side of Craig's Bond.
  • LukeLuke USAPosts: 99MI6 Agent
    edited November 2012
    Any sentence that begins with, "I'm not racist, but..." always worries me. That being said, I think the people writing on this post have their hearts in the right place.

    Absolute fidelity to Fleming would require that all the films take place in the 1950s. I think that having an all-white cast in the 21st century would be more conspicuous than not. I'm all for staying close to the characters of the books, but let's not take that to absurd, alienating lengths.
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  • JamesBondGuyJamesBondGuy DenmarkPosts: 144MI6 Agent
    Now that we are talking about black people, I hope they bring back Quarrel. I have always loved that character! :)
  • DTReinsmaDTReinsma Orlando, FL, USAPosts: 81MI6 Agent
    JamesBondGuy wrote:
    Now that we are talking about black people, I hope they bring back Quarrel. I have always loved that character! :)

    Maybe they will make Quarrel white :)
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    DTReinsma wrote:
    JamesBondGuy wrote:
    Now that we are talking about black people, I hope they bring back Quarrel. I have always loved that character! :)

    Maybe they will make Quarrel white :)

    If eve is black, and quarrel goes white, will you speak sense or continue to talk sh...?
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    The only problem I have with it is that the very nature of the Bond/Moneypenny relationship, to date, has been that it never gets consummated. The idea of having them be interracial can be interpreted by some people as playing into the notion of keeping the races separate, something that quite a few people in society still believe.
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    The only problem I have with it is that the very nature of the Bond/Moneypenny relationship, to date, has been that it never gets consummated. The idea of having them be interracial can be interpreted by some people as playing into the notion of keeping the races separate, something that quite a few people in society still believe.

    I've seen SF twice and not once at any time did I think about that aspect.

    But gee golly shucks ma, maybee they been a thinking that thur thort over in that thur deep sowth?
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  • Ens007Ens007 EnglandPosts: 863MI6 Agent
    minigeff wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    The only problem I have with it is that the very nature of the Bond/Moneypenny relationship, to date, has been that it never gets consummated. The idea of having them be interracial can be interpreted by some people as playing into the notion of keeping the races separate, something that quite a few people in society still believe.

    I've seen SF twice and not once at any time did I think about that aspect.

    You & me both MG.

    I worry about this thread now.
  • JamesBondGuyJamesBondGuy DenmarkPosts: 144MI6 Agent
    minigeff wrote:
    DTReinsma wrote:
    JamesBondGuy wrote:
    Now that we are talking about black people, I hope they bring back Quarrel. I have always loved that character! :)

    Maybe they will make Quarrel white :)

    If eve is black, and quarrel goes white, will you speak sense or continue to talk sh...?

    Me?
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    JamesBondGuy wrote:
    minigeff wrote:
    DTReinsma wrote:

    Maybe they will make Quarrel white :)

    If eve is black, and quarrel goes white, will you speak sense or continue to talk sh...?

    Me?

    No, my new best mate, DT
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  • JamesBondGuyJamesBondGuy DenmarkPosts: 144MI6 Agent
    Doesn't sound like your best friend :)).

    Let us keep Quarrel black. Idris Elba would be nice to see in that role.
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    angry-face1.jpg

    NO MORE IDRIS ELBA!!!
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  • JamesBondGuyJamesBondGuy DenmarkPosts: 144MI6 Agent
    You don't like black people? :)) :)) :))

    Just joking ;).
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Not the thing that worried me most about Skyfall, any more than that Bond doesn't even catch her surname at any point during their meetings. 8-)

    Or the fact that no matter that Leiter is black, it's more that he has nothing to do with Fleming's character as depicted. Okay, nor did a lot of the white actors who played him. But you've got a fair case of double standards when so many fans nominate Rick van Nutter as the best Leiter because he's truest to the guy in the books, when we can't say a thing about the guy in Casino Royale and QoS - who is totally unlike the happy, almost zany chum of the books. I could go with a black Leiter who is very much like the character, I don't know, sort of Arsenio Hall back in the day, a lighthearted guy. Without that in common, well, yeah it does begin to look like having the token black guy.

    It sticks less with Moneypenny cos she wasn't drawn so fully in the books, but yeah Naomi Harris isn't much like her even so. I would prefer a less street MP, I mean some black girls do posh or rather well spoken, I would be more okay with that.
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