Casino Royale....Aston Martin Complete DeFib Kit Discussion Thead

Mr Webber

Hi all,

Started looking into putting a replica of this very cool prop together and Im hopeing to get for any information thats out there.Had my fingers crossed that the main unit was a found item but it appears to be custom made for the production. Once I can get my head and wallet around 3D printing, will look into getting the unit, paddles and the wrist/phone connector made, Im assuming the wrist syringe with connection to the phone was custom made as well, unless someone else has done so or thinking about it.

From a suggestion by a fellow member here, Sundowner, -{ , tracked down the "Syringes" included in the kit, Im 99.5%
sure they are a EpiPen Training model (original style) and am now looking for the special connections used for the unit and paddles. Thinking some lighting gel and clear adhesive will cover most of the dressing on the EpiPen but if anyone can tell me what the writing is on the hero`s, it would be a tremendous help.

All the best for the New Year -{ -{ -{ -{ -{ -{

TmsRay2954

Epi trainers look like they'll fit the bill nicely without the risk of stabbing yourself

minigeff

TmsRay2954 wrote:

Epi trainers look like they'll fit the bill nicely without the risk of stabbing yourself

You'd think so wouldn't you?

When I did my first aid training, the course of about 30 people were split into groups of 6 or so. My group had to do a presentation on anaphylactic shock. Part of this was to use a dead epipen to demonstrate to the others what it was etc etc.

Before we got started, someone in my group asked how easy they were to use. "Oh dead easy, you take the cap off.." I explained, removing the cap and placing the epipen on the arm of my chair, "and then you press down, usually with it on the persons thigh". As I did this, the 'dead' epipen shot out its needle and injected my chair arm with adrenaline.

After breaking off the needle as I couldn't pull it back out of the woodwork, I took it to the useless knuckle dragging arsehead instructor (who must be one of the worlds most patronising little gits) and she simply said "oh ok, I'll get you another."

No "holy crap, are you ok?", "Jesus I'm so sorry I dunno how you were given a live one" or even a "****, please don't tell my boss".

So the morale of this story is kids, don't go messing with stuff you don't understand, even when a fully trained St. John's ambulance lives responder has told you it's perfectly safe to do so.

Now, as far as the defib prop goes, it's total custom made and the only thing to go by is the activation button. I did start drawing plans for this, but other stuff took over.

3D printing? Good luck, and make sure a) your wallet is deep enough and b) you get you files spot on. What goes in, comes out.

I've got an old epipen somewhere so Ivan try and find it for measurements if you like.

MG -{

Gadget Meister

On the subject of the unexpected Jeff, I found a good condition Technisub Jaguar on the Bay of E in Florida. Got it for a good price and the item was in the correct blueish tint anodised on the. metalwork. Got stung for customs but hey ho it was a nice piece. Got it home and began to clean it up. At this point I wasn't overly familiar with the workings of a pneumatic speargun, it didn't come with a spear and nothing happened when the trigger was pulled, so time to remove the reservoir end cap, which was very stiff to turn despite being well greased with Vaseline. Began to get to the end of the thread, strangely my normally logical and mechanically minded brain must have been on vacation this particular evening, I began to hear a little hiss, unfortunately timed to coincide with the last thread on the end cap.

Well there was a loud bang followed by the other half shouting to ask if I was OK. I called back that I was fine but we might need a new kitchen window, I don't know which was hurt more, my pride or my wallet.

The moral is, if in doubt check, then check again. Needless to say I soon became VERY familiar with the workings of pneumatic spearguns and how to discharge them safely.

Back on thread, I 'may' have a source for old style EpiPen training syringes, I'll let you know.

bondpropfan

Oops.....

Mr Webber

Thanks guys,

A similar story about a demonstration gone wrong led me to the EpiPen, got two things out of it, a possible Bond item and a reminder to never attend an EpiPen demonstration, never.

Ive ordered one from a place here in Oz, if it has the little rectangular block on the end cap as the hero does then Im 100% percent certain its the same, from the pic of the hero in Craigs hand, the size matches up. Any ideas on the registration on the hero?

Voituer

I have a few of the Jaguar guns. As far as I can work out from looking at pics the gun is a short reservoir long barrel model. I'm bot sure about the blueing as I have never seen that on a Jaguar but you could achieve this with a blueing agent anyway.

regarding yours being charged I am guessing that you may not be able to pull the trigger if the barrel is not loaded

Gadget Meister

You can pull the trigger but nothing happens, Jaguars come in only two models, Jaguar or Jaguar Piccolo (the short one not featured in TB) and the bluing is just a anodised tint on the reservoir and barrel and is the only screen accurate one, watch on Blu Ray and you'll see. The difference from the straight aluminium/chrome finish.

Gadget Meister

As far as the EpiPen trainers go, be careful, there are different types. To begin with the whole design was changed earlier this year so you need to get an old type. If that wasn't bad enough there are two variations of the old type, one where the diameter of the business end narrows for about an inch and is all black. This is the one that dropped through my letterbox today. This is the WRONG one, the correct one is identical except the last inch is half translucent plastic and the last half, the tip, is black. This is the CORRECT one. The search continues.

minigeff

Gadget Meister wrote:

As far as the EpiPen trainers go, be careful, there are different types. To begin with the whole design was changed earlier this year so you need to get an old type. If that wasn't bad enough there are two variations of the old type, one where the diameter of the business end narrows for about an inch and is all black. This is the one that dropped through my letterbox today. This is the WRONG one, the correct one is identical except the last inch is half translucent plastic and the last half, the tip, is black. This is the CORRECT one. The search continues.

I think I have one of those....

sruzgar

Based on this would it be that the trainer pen is all black and teh real ones only half translucent half black?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EpiPen-Auto-Injector-Carry-Case-Trainer-Pen-for-Anaphylaxis-Allergy-First-Aid-/170780352923?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Medical_Supplies_Disposables_ET&var=&hash=item27c34d619b

now six plus years later I feel compelled to get one of these.

minigeff

sruzgar wrote:

Based on this would it be that the trainer pen is all black and teh real ones only half translucent half black?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EpiPen-Auto-Injector-Carry-Case-Trainer-Pen-for-Anaphylaxis-Allergy-First-Aid-/170780352923?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Medical_Supplies_Disposables_ET&var=&hash=item27c34d619b

now six plus years later I feel compelled to get one of these.

Not very SA though is it?

Think when the time comes, I'll just make my own using an old epipen for size reference.

Gadget Meister

Why make Jeff when you can just dress the real thing they used with just a little dressing, don't understand ?:)

minigeff

Gadget Meister wrote:

Why make Jeff when you can just dress the real thing they used with just a little dressing, don't understand ?:)

No worries Andy, valid question and here's a brief explanation;

Take a look at the trainer epipen and the screen used prop;





Ok, so it's time to spot the difference. You can probably spot there are loads of little issues, ranging from the grey safety cap, the lack of labels, the red and blue sections, the clear tip etc etc.

So you can take a real one and attempt to modify it. PLEASE DON'T ANYONE DO THAT, IT'S EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

You could mod the trainer, but I fear there are so many issues to be corrected that taking it apart and rebuilding it to a clean standard is gonna be hard work.

In this instance it's probably as easy to do a scratch build. You'll get a cleaner, more accurate end product and its safer.

Plus I love a challenge.

That's just my take on it though,

MG -{

Gadget Meister

In this instance it's probably as easy to do a scratch build. You'll get a cleaner, more accurate end product and its safer.

Plus I love a challenge.

Well I can see the lure of the challenge, but that's all. The trainers ( the correct ones ) use the same body and cap right down to the emblem in relief on the end of the cap. There is no hazard with the trainers at all, and you can tell the difference easily by weight and feel of a live or empty live one compared to the trainer. Also for the reasons that you've already stated, there's absolutely no way they would have let Craig loose with either live one or an 'empty' live one, as you said it's like having live rounds lying around. So I believe they did use trainers, the label peels off easily, first thing I did. Just needs red/blue gel/cellophane with a little black detailing tape and Bob's your mother's Brother. I just think you can't get more SA than using what the Prop Dept used. Just my take and the way I'll go.

Also just noticed your example picture shows the wrong trainer.

sruzgar

Andy do you have a pic of a correct trainer because those are the only ones I found and I guess the only ones minigeff has found too.

Gadget Meister

This is the correct one



Although this a live example, trainers are also available to the same pattern

minigeff

Well hot damn, I been sat on a bond prop for 6 years and not even noticed.

I must have a fatter arse than I thought. )

Mr Webber

Covered all of that in the first post. The model trainer to get is the "original style" model. Heres a link to where I got them for anyone in Oz.

THE CORRECT PEN IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE AT THIS LINK, ONLY THE ONE THAT HAS TO BE MODIFIED
http://www.activeaide.com/au/activeaide-epipen-trainer-original-style/

If nothing turns up on the registration on the heros, will just add some "antidote" names to them using rub on letters on the clear adhesive. I guess one will be ADRENALINE. Also need a better pic of the "instructions" labels on the paddles. Pretty sure Ive found the special little electrical connectors the Bond forgot to plug in as well. Getting there.

Gadget Meister

Mr Webber

If you read my post #9 you'll see that there two versions of the 'old' style, one is right, one is wrong. You didn't cover that in your first post.

Mr Webber

True, but I did include a picture of the right one in it.
Will have to watch the movie again to see what the medical condition was that required Bond to use the first Pen, then google the antidotes.

minigeff

Bonds suffering from Ventricular tachycardia, I believe the term 'digitalis' is mentioned.

Bond is most likely to take lidocaine to counteract it. "Blue combi pen Bond, mid-neck, into the vein".

As Bond uses a 'combi-pen', I can only assume it contains a mix of similar drugs, so god knows what's on any label, I've never known it even was labelled.

Here's the clip;

http://youtu.be/Jhm5up5NQwk

Gadget Meister

Derived from the Foxglove plant

Digitalis poisoning can cause heart block and either bradycardia (decreased heart rate) or tachycardia (increased heart rate), depending on the dose and the condition of one's heart. Notably, the electric cardioversion (to "shock" the heart) is generally not indicated in ventricular fibrillation in digitalis toxicity, as it can increase the dysrhythmia. Also, the classic drug of choice for ventricular fibrillation in emergency setting, amiodarone, can worsen the dysrhythmia caused by digitalis, therefore, the second-choice drug lidocaine is more commonly used.

Mr Webber

Excellent work lads. -{

minigeff

Lol wiki is a mutual friend it seems. )

Btw, I've never seen blue or red drugs, only on the set of Star Trek

Gadget Meister

Oops caught out by the Minigeff ..... I mean, no Jeff, I used to be a Doctor, honest, I was proctologist

I wonder wether they're trying to convey that the drugs themselves are Red/Blue or just to differentiate between combi pens ( now there's a quandary ..... What's a combi pen? )

minigeff

) There's a joke there about "I think I must be a gynaecologist...." )

Well I thing the colours are to point out the drug types and the drugs themselves aren't red or blue. The syringe inside these things is a lot thinner than the body of the epipen.

What's a combi-pen? Erm, it's a medical kind of mcguffin. B-)

Gadget Meister

Nope, try again, same idea as the EpiPen but a significantly different use.

Give you a clue, it also had a tablet hidden in the grey cap.

minigeff

All google finds is stuff to prick animals with

Maybe the blue pen is a combination if drug to counteract poisons and the red one has a premixed vesper in it for when times get really bad?

Gadget Meister

Mmmmm more of a military use........

Unfortunately I don't believe there was an equivalent to be issued to civilians in time of a certain type of war

minigeff

Ah, would it go hand in hand with an NBC suit?