The way James Bond ties his tie knots

Kaleema007Kaleema007 Posts: 322MI6 Agent
okay so we all know that James Bond chooses to tie his knot in a 4 in hand knot or sometimes a double knot. Bond ties with a four-in-hand or double four-in-hand knot, characterised by its asymmetrical shape. my question is how does he get that perfect dimple when he ties it? sometimes i manage to pull it off and sometimes i dont. im sure its based off technique as well as material of the tie. sometimes i get multiple dimples that just makes the tie look sloppy. then i get the perfect dimple that every man who wants to be Bond strives for in their ties. Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig were good examples of how to get the perfect dimple out of their ties. does anyone have a answer for this, how to get the perfect dimple out of a 4 in hand knot? :007) :D
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  • MrZarebaMrZareba Krakow, PolandPosts: 1,775MI6 Agent
    After watching Skyfall I must honestly admit, that the dimple wasn't always 100% perfect. My guess is that he's using the Pratt Knot, is that confirmed Bond is using a "Four in a Hand" knot?
  • Kaleema007Kaleema007 Posts: 322MI6 Agent
    photos courtesy of www.thesuitsofjamesbond.com
    Notice how Bond's tie knots are perfect!

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  • MrZarebaMrZareba Krakow, PolandPosts: 1,775MI6 Agent
    Well, all right, everything Bond was wearing in "Quantum of Solace" was perfect. But I remember some scenes from Skyfall where the ties weren't so perfect, there are no images of these.
  • Kaleema007Kaleema007 Posts: 322MI6 Agent
    MrZareba wrote:
    After watching Skyfall I must honestly admit, that the dimple wasn't always 100% perfect. My guess is that he's using the Pratt Knot, is that confirmed Bond is using a "Four in a Hand" knot?

    it has been confirmed numerous times. and ive never heard of a pratt knot before. ill look into that
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  • Kaleema007Kaleema007 Posts: 322MI6 Agent
    i included one image from skyfall where he meets Q and hes sitting on the bench, its a close up shot of his mug, you can see the dimple in his tie. its pretty clean
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  • 00Reyn00Reyn Posts: 4MI6 Agent
    Kaleema007 wrote:
    okay so we all know that James Bond chooses to tie his knot in a 4 in hand knot or sometimes a double knot. my question is how does he get that perfect dimple when he ties it? sometimes i manage to pull it off and sometimes i dont. im sure its based off technique as well as material of the tie. sometimes i get multiple dimples that just makes the tie look sloppy. then i get the perfect dimple that every man who wants to be Bond strives for in their ties. Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig were good examples of how to get the perfect dimple out of their ties. does anyone have a answer for this, how to get the perfect dimple out of a 4 in hand knot? :007) :D


    Hello....what I do is that as I am doing the last pass through the knot to finish, I pinch and pull and pinch and pull as I tighten the knot, getting the dimple. Hope it helps...
  • Kaleema007Kaleema007 Posts: 322MI6 Agent
    00Reyn wrote:
    Kaleema007 wrote:
    okay so we all know that James Bond chooses to tie his knot in a 4 in hand knot or sometimes a double knot. my question is how does he get that perfect dimple when he ties it? sometimes i manage to pull it off and sometimes i dont. im sure its based off technique as well as material of the tie. sometimes i get multiple dimples that just makes the tie look sloppy. then i get the perfect dimple that every man who wants to be Bond strives for in their ties. Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig were good examples of how to get the perfect dimple out of their ties. does anyone have a answer for this, how to get the perfect dimple out of a 4 in hand knot? :007) :D


    Hello....what I do is that as I am doing the last pass through the knot to finish, I pinch and pull and pinch and pull as I tighten the knot, getting the dimple. Hope it helps...

    any pictures you can post?
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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    00Reyn wrote:
    Kaleema007 wrote:
    okay so we all know that James Bond chooses to tie his knot in a 4 in hand knot or sometimes a double knot. my question is how does he get that perfect dimple when he ties it? sometimes i manage to pull it off and sometimes i dont. im sure its based off technique as well as material of the tie. sometimes i get multiple dimples that just makes the tie look sloppy. then i get the perfect dimple that every man who wants to be Bond strives for in their ties. Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig were good examples of how to get the perfect dimple out of their ties. does anyone have a answer for this, how to get the perfect dimple out of a 4 in hand knot? :007) :D


    Hello....what I do is that as I am doing the last pass through the knot to finish, I pinch and pull and pinch and pull as I tighten the knot, getting the dimple. Hope it helps...


    That's just the way i do it too. And if you put your index finger into the dimple as you tighten it, you get just he one, deep dimple. Simple!
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  • 00Reyn00Reyn Posts: 4MI6 Agent
    Kaleema007 wrote:
    00Reyn wrote:
    Kaleema007 wrote:
    okay so we all know that James Bond chooses to tie his knot in a 4 in hand knot or sometimes a double knot. my question is how does he get that perfect dimple when he ties it? sometimes i manage to pull it off and sometimes i dont. im sure its based off technique as well as material of the tie. sometimes i get multiple dimples that just makes the tie look sloppy. then i get the perfect dimple that every man who wants to be Bond strives for in their ties. Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig were good examples of how to get the perfect dimple out of their ties. does anyone have a answer for this, how to get the perfect dimple out of a 4 in hand knot? :007) :D


    Hello....what I do is that as I am doing the last pass through the knot to finish, I pinch and pull and pinch and pull as I tighten the knot, getting the dimple. Hope it helps...

    any pictures you can post?

    Here you go.....again, hope it helps....

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  • 00Reyn00Reyn Posts: 4MI6 Agent
    00Reyn wrote:
    Kaleema007 wrote:
    okay so we all know that James Bond chooses to tie his knot in a 4 in hand knot or sometimes a double knot. my question is how does he get that perfect dimple when he ties it? sometimes i manage to pull it off and sometimes i dont. im sure its based off technique as well as material of the tie. sometimes i get multiple dimples that just makes the tie look sloppy. then i get the perfect dimple that every man who wants to be Bond strives for in their ties. Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig were good examples of how to get the perfect dimple out of their ties. does anyone have a answer for this, how to get the perfect dimple out of a 4 in hand knot? :007) :D


    Hello....what I do is that as I am doing the last pass through the knot to finish, I pinch and pull and pinch and pull as I tighten the knot, getting the dimple. Hope it helps...


    That's just the way i do it too. And if you put your index finger into the dimple as you tighten it, you get just he one, deep dimple. Simple!

    Exactly, you explained it much better, thanks!
  • Kaleema007Kaleema007 Posts: 322MI6 Agent
    nice pictures! and that does help. ill have to attempt that. ive done it before but with no avail. thanks again for the tutorial shots
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  • 00Reyn00Reyn Posts: 4MI6 Agent
    Kaleema007 wrote:
    nice pictures! and that does help. ill have to attempt that. ive done it before but with no avail. thanks again for the tutorial shots

    You are welcome.....little details in dressing sharp are worth the effort...Youtube has some "dimple" videos too...
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    There is no secret to getting the dimple. Or rather, as has been stated above, the secret is to manipulate the tie to get the dimple. It does not happen by chance, you have to make it happen. Just don't wear a Windsor knot, it's the mark of a traitor. So says Fleming's Bond.

    DG
    So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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  • Kaleema007Kaleema007 Posts: 322MI6 Agent
    I stopped wearing a Windsor long ago when it was mentioned that Fleming wrote bond wearing four in hand. Connery did confuse me a bit in dr. No and diamonds bc he wore windsors.
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  • 00730073 COPPosts: 1,065MI6 Agent
    edited January 2013
    :p
    There is no secret to getting the dimple. Or rather, as has been stated above, the secret is to manipulate the tie to get the dimple. It does not happen by chance, you have to make it happen. Just don't wear a Windsor knot, it's the mark of a traitor. So says Fleming's Bond.

    DG

    No, I believe that Fleming wrote that windsor knot shows too much vanity and is (often) "a sign of a cad". And eventhough Bond mistrusted anyone who tied a windsor knot, it was only coincidental that Donovan "Red" Grant turned out to be a traitor.
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  • The LimeyThe Limey Kent , EnglandPosts: 60MI6 Agent
    Interestingly though , both Bond and Fleming held the rank of Commander in the Royal Navy , and as an ex-serviceman myself (Royal Air Force) , I can state that in my experience anything LESS than a Full-Windsor is unacceptable in the British Forces . I was taught how to tie a Windsor within my first week of recruit training , and I've never seen a British serviceman wear anything else whilst in uniform . Perhaps the Royal Navy wasn't so ''demanding'' ?? ;)
  • DJ007DJ007 United StatesPosts: 174MI6 Agent
    The Limey wrote:
    Interestingly though , both Bond and Fleming held the rank of Commander in the Royal Navy , and as an ex-serviceman myself (Royal Air Force) , I can state that in my experience anything LESS than a Full-Windsor is unacceptable in the British Forces . I was taught how to tie a Windsor within my first week of recruit training , and I've never seen a British serviceman wear anything else whilst in uniform . Perhaps the Royal Navy wasn't so ''demanding'' ?? ;)

    We use the four in hand in the US Army.
  • NouniardNouniard U.S.Posts: 59MI6 Agent
    Just continuing with the theme, it seems our US Air Force regs do no specify a knot...which explains why I see a mix of full/half-Windsor and four-in-hand.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    0073 wrote:
    :p
    There is no secret to getting the dimple. Or rather, as has been stated above, the secret is to manipulate the tie to get the dimple. It does not happen by chance, you have to make it happen. Just don't wear a Windsor knot, it's the mark of a traitor. So says Fleming's Bond.

    DG
    0073 wrote:
    :p
    There is no secret to getting the dimple. Or rather, as has been stated above, the secret is to manipulate the tie to get the dimple. It does not happen by chance, you have to make it happen. Just don't wear a Windsor knot, it's the mark of a traitor. So says Fleming's Bond.

    DG

    No, I believe that Fleming wrote that windsor knot shows too much vanity and is (often) "a sign of a cad". And eventhough Bond mistrusted anyone who tied a windsor knot, it was only coincidental that Donovan "Red" Grant turned out to be a traitor.

    No, I believe that Fleming wrote that windsor knot shows too much vanity and is (often) "a sign of a cad". And eventhough Bond mistrusted anyone who tied a windsor knot, it was only coincidental that Donovan "Red" Grant turned out to be a traitor.

    Here's what he wrote:

    “It was tied with a Windsor knot. Bond mistrusted anyone who tied his tie with a Windsor knot. It showed too much vanity. It was often the mark of a cad.” (From Russia with Love, Chapter 25)

    I don't know if his distaste for the Windsor knot is due to its size, symmetry or both. If it's symmetry, the Half Windsor and Pratt knots should be avoided. If it's size, the double four-in-hand (like what the Duke of Windsor wore) is to be avoided.
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  • don pdon p Posts: 607MI6 Agent
    i always use a half windsor
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    When I was a Cadet/Midshipman learning the ropes to become a Merchant Marine Officer, I think we were supposed to use either a Windsor or a half-Windsor knot for our dress blues. However, I preferred the four-in-hand knot myself, which is what I used after my 4th class year. In general I think the U.S. Navy is supposed to use the Windsor too, however, I think what it comes down to is Officer preference.

    I also learned to tie a whole host of other useful knots to become a mariner, but that's another story.

    DG
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  • Kaleema007Kaleema007 Posts: 322MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    0073 wrote:
    :p
    There is no secret to getting the dimple. Or rather, as has been stated above, the secret is to manipulate the tie to get the dimple. It does not happen by chance, you have to make it happen. Just don't wear a Windsor knot, it's the mark of a traitor. So says Fleming's Bond.

    DG
    0073 wrote:
    :p

    No, I believe that Fleming wrote that windsor knot shows too much vanity and is (often) "a sign of a cad". And eventhough Bond mistrusted anyone who tied a windsor knot, it was only coincidental that Donovan "Red" Grant turned out to be a traitor.

    No, I believe that Fleming wrote that windsor knot shows too much vanity and is (often) "a sign of a cad". And eventhough Bond mistrusted anyone who tied a windsor knot, it was only coincidental that Donovan "Red" Grant turned out to be a traitor.

    Here's what he wrote:

    “It was tied with a Windsor knot. Bond mistrusted anyone who tied his tie with a Windsor knot. It showed too much vanity. It was often the mark of a cad.” (From Russia with Love, Chapter 25)

    I don't know if his distaste for the Windsor knot is due to its size, symmetry or both. If it's symmetry, the Half Windsor and Pratt knots should be avoided. If it's size, the double four-in-hand (like what the Duke of Windsor wore) is to be avoided.


    so if the double four in hand knot is to be avoided, then how did pierce and daniel get their knots to look a bigger size from just the simple four in hand knot?
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Kaleema007 wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    0073 wrote:
    :p



    No, I believe that Fleming wrote that windsor knot shows too much vanity and is (often) "a sign of a cad". And eventhough Bond mistrusted anyone who tied a windsor knot, it was only coincidental that Donovan "Red" Grant turned out to be a traitor.

    Here's what he wrote:

    “It was tied with a Windsor knot. Bond mistrusted anyone who tied his tie with a Windsor knot. It showed too much vanity. It was often the mark of a cad.” (From Russia with Love, Chapter 25)

    I don't know if his distaste for the Windsor knot is due to its size, symmetry or both. If it's symmetry, the Half Windsor and Pratt knots should be avoided. If it's size, the double four-in-hand (like what the Duke of Windsor wore) is to be avoided.


    so if the double four in hand knot is to be avoided, then how did pierce and daniel get their knots to look a bigger size from just the simple four in hand knot?

    They may have used a double four-in-hand, or their ties were wide enough and thick enough to make a large knot. I think the double four-in-hand is an acceptable knot; it's the symmetrical knots that are really to be avoided.
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  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    Just don't wear a Windsor knot, it's the mark of a traitor. So says Fleming's Bond.

    DG

    Hard not to if you are wearing uniform, RAF for a start, as the Windsor is the one specified by regulations.
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    sniperUK wrote:
    Just don't wear a Windsor knot, it's the mark of a traitor. So says Fleming's Bond.

    DG

    Hard not to if you are wearing uniform, RAF for a start, as the Windsor is the one specified by regulations.

    While I can't speak for modern U.K. Forces, deviating from wearing standard kit has long been a privilege of rank and elite status. Montgomery wore bush hats and berets, Patton wore ivory handled revolvers, McArthur wore a Field Marshal cap and there were no Field Marshals in the U.S. Army.

    In the U.S. today, the Airborne Cavalry wears the old civil war era cavalry hat, "I love the smell of napalm in the morning". Special Forces, otherwise known as Green Berets, adopted the green beret from British Commandos. It was not authorized until much later. U.S. Cracker Jack sailors often embroider the inside of the sleeves and they can only be seen when folded up. Very salty! I could go on and on.

    DG
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  • urhashurhash USPosts: 986MI6 Agent
    Brosnan's tie knot in TWINE for the Moneypenny scene (when they have their banter about the cigar) is the best knot I've seen on any person, any time, celluloid or real life. :p
  • Kaleema007Kaleema007 Posts: 322MI6 Agent
    urhash wrote:
    Brosnan's tie knot in TWINE for the Moneypenny scene (when they have their banter about the cigar) is the best knot I've seen on any person, any time, celluloid or real life. :p
    yeah i liked how brosnan tied his tie. i assume that is a regular four in hand or double knot
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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    urhash wrote:
    Brosnan's tie knot in TWINE for the Moneypenny scene (when they have their banter about the cigar) is the best knot I've seen on any person, any time, celluloid or real life. :p

    A large part of it is because the Turnbull & Aseer ties are well made, heavy silk, so it's easier to get an impressive knot than today 's skinnier ties... Kinda reflective of 90's opulence vs today's more constrained times...
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  • JBT0077JBT0077 GermanyPosts: 236MI6 Agent
    edited January 2013
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  • JBT0077JBT0077 GermanyPosts: 236MI6 Agent
    I believe this is the qos tie knot




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