Why is Never Say NOT an official movie?

96mn1296mn12 Posts: 632MI6 Agent
Simply because it wasnt produced by Cubby?

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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,109Chief of Staff
    It's a long story, centring round a man named Kevin McClory and his input into what became the novel Thunderball and the subsequent film. A lot of lawyers made a lot of money over this; some of the history can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_for_Bond
    and
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderball_(novel)#Controversy
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,109Chief of Staff
    An old thread discussing this very suject:

    http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/26837/what-exactly-was-nsna/
  • 96mn1296mn12 Posts: 632MI6 Agent
    Thanks mate
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,109Chief of Staff
    You're welcome!
  • bond2002bond2002 UKPosts: 55MI6 Agent
  • JuliusNoJuliusNo Posts: 16MI6 Agent
    Basically cause its got nothing to do with MGM.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,109Chief of Staff
    JuliusNo wrote:
    Basically cause its got nothing to do with MGM.

    Not at first, though it's been owned by MGM since 1997.
  • Jimmy BondJimmy Bond Posts: 324MI6 Agent
    bond2002 wrote:
    FINALLY!
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,871MI6 Agent
    They don't weant to sully the name of the EON Bonds with this impostor - Connery didn't make the Flemingesque OHMSS - but he did come back and make DAF and NSNA - thanks for that! 8-)
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  • Jimmy BondJimmy Bond Posts: 324MI6 Agent
    They don't weant to sully the name of the EON Bonds with this impostor - Connery didn't make the Flemingesque OHMSS - but he did come back and make DAF and NSNA - thanks for that! 8-)
    He wouldn't come back in OHMSS after the circumnstances of his working with the producers in YOLT. Although he stated he wanted to shoot it (in a very old interview, circa 1965), he was FED UP with the franchise at that point. Can you blame him? He was everywhere, and he had virtually no privacy. In the mid-'60's, there was no actor more famous in the WORLD than Sean Connery.
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    Didn't want a bit more of the profits as well?
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  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,749MI6 Agent
    I don't think Connery's first departure was just about privacy. My understanding was that there were control and value clashes in the productions and negotiations.
  • DelicatessenInSteelDelicatessenInSteel Posts: 181MI6 Agent
    It was a poor man's James Bond..or it was the Superman IV of James Bond movies...more like a Golan-Globus production from the 80's..plus Bernie Casey & Rowan Atkinson were weak. I told Bernie Casey that I didn't like Never Say Never Again when I went to School, he was a trustee there.
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    It was a poor man's James Bond..or it was the Superman IV of James Bond movies...more like a Golan-Globus production from the 80's..plus Bernie Casey & Rowan Atkinson were weak. I told Bernie Casey that I didn't like Never Say Never Again when I went to School, he was a trustee there.

    Bernie Casey "weak"? How dare you, sir! :))
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  • always shakenalways shaken LondonPosts: 6,287MI6 Agent
    Id watch it again,just to see the Renault 5 Gordini Turbo
    By the way, did I tell you, I was "Mad"?
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,109Chief of Staff
    Bernie Casey & Rowan Atkinson were weak.

    Well, they weren't the worst of the cast! Kim Basinger was totally flat (er... in an acting sense), Tanner and Moneypenny were dreadful, and Barbara Carrera, much as her OTT Fatima Blush is to be enjoyed, isn't a patch on Luciana Paluzzi as Fiona Volpe. Of the two Largos, I prefer Celi but Brandeur's take is excellent in its own right.
  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,112MI6 Agent
    I didn't think Largo was sinister enough in this.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,109Chief of Staff
    Of course you're right- Celi was certainly more sinister- but Brandeur's Largo has his own crazy appeal.
  • ixtoreixtore NYCPosts: 111MI6 Agent
    Why was NSNA NOT an official Bond flick?
    There were so many differences - first off, the music! Man.
    And just the cheesy production values. Connery was Connery, but I always thought he had too much unnecessary makeup in NSNA. And it being McClory's Thunderball story, all they could do was, basically, shoot a version of the same film. My ears were steaming when I saw it - but that's me.

    The story at the time of Connery's departure after shooting YOLT was that, Bond being such a super huge franchise in Japan, one day when he was sitting on the john of a public restroom, a reporter tried to interview him through the wall of the stall. But I have no doubt there were other concerns.
    The scent smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. Then the soul-erosion produced by high gambling - a compost of greed and fear and nervous tension - becomes unbearable and the senses awake and revolt from it.
  • The Domino EffectThe Domino Effect Posts: 3,638MI6 Agent
    Just watched NSNA again the other day for the first time in probably 20 years and it's actually got worse in my opinion! The music is simply atrocious. The characterisation of M and Moneypenny are terrible. Connery looks a bit like a transvestite with his wig and heavy make-up and the bad effects are quite stunning. It has few redeeming features but I have to disagree about Rowan Atkinson who I thought was hilarious.
  • tigersharkatigersharka Las Vegas, NVPosts: 9MI6 Agent
    Sadly, the truth as been posted. EON and MGM don't own it...so not recognized.
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,940Chief of Staff
    Sadly, the truth as been posted. EON and MGM don't own it...so not recognized.

    Actually, they do own it now.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    though NSNA is now owned by MGM/EON, I don't regard it as an official Bond movie.

    It has not been produced by EON back then, so most (exception Connery) of the well-proven team members where not on board and if you watch the movie, you can see that they've been very short on budget.
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  • jeffchjeffch Posts: 163MI6 Agent
    edited June 2013
    I didn't think Largo was sinister enough in this.

    Both Largos were sinister in their own way. But I prefer the Adolfo Largo, he had a more of a commanding presence and was much more believable as head of such a large operation. The Klaus Largo seemed just like an unpredictable loner lunatic. Didnt come off to me as the kind of guy that people would respect or take orders from.
  • jeffchjeffch Posts: 163MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:
    though NSNA is now owned by MGM/EON, I don't regard it as an official Bond movie.

    It has not been produced by EON back then, so most (exception Connery) of the well-proven team members where not on board and if you watch the movie, you can see that they've been very short on budget.

    Good point. Its not just who made it, but the quality control. Even the bad official Bonds still looked great.
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