Sebastian Faulks ridicules 'distasteful' Bond film 'Skyfall'

Le SamouraiLe Samourai Honolulu, HIPosts: 573MI6 Agent
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/jamesbond/9826812/Sebastian-Faulks-ridicules-distasteful-Bond-film-Skyfall.html

A couple of quick observations...
"I thought I would invest him with some serious thoughts. It didn't work. It was unconvincing. It made him look not thoughtful but slightly gay," he added.
What an ignorant, homophobic comment.
His Bond became an instant best-seller and was praised by critics as one of the best of 33 sequels written since Fleming's death.
I don't know about critics, but most Bond fans didn't seem to care for it and I believe many consider 'Colonel Sun' to be the best non-Fleming Bond novel.
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  • 00730073 COPPosts: 1,061MI6 Agent
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/jamesbond/9826812/Sebastian-Faulks-ridicules-distasteful-Bond-film-Skyfall.html

    A couple of quick observations...
    "I thought I would invest him with some serious thoughts. It didn't work. It was unconvincing. It made him look not thoughtful but slightly gay," he added.
    What an ignorant, homophobic comment.
    His Bond became an instant best-seller and was praised by critics as one of the best of 33 sequels written since Fleming's death.
    I don't know about critics, but most Bond fans didn't seem to care for it and I believe many consider 'Colonel Sun' to be the best non-Fleming Bond novel.

    You, Sir, are absolutely right!
    "I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
    -Mr Arlington Beech
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    Thank you for sharing -{ -{
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  • The Domino EffectThe Domino Effect Posts: 3,638MI6 Agent
    I would certainly agree that 'Colonel Sun' is by far the best Bond continuation novel but then again Kingsley Amis had the double benefit of both personally knowing Fleming and of writing it in the same era that Fleming had written his novels. The tone and the flavour were right. That said, I thoroughly enjoyed Sebastian Faulks' effort and believe he did a great job of believably setting it in the 1960s which is where I believe literary Bond should always be. It's very, very difficult to transplant him to the 21st century because so much of what makes Bond Bond is the morals, ethics and attitudes of that peculiar post-war/swinging 60s Britain.
  • ChromeJobChromeJob Durham, NC USAPosts: 149MI6 Agent
    Poor sport.
    Only Casino Royale successfully hinted at an agent with a hinterland when it shows Bond fall down in the shower, "shocked and appalled by what he had done. It suggested he had a softer, human side," Faulks said.

    Maybe he should see the f****** film again. Fall down in the shower? Whoops, dropped the soap.... :D

    I don't know what "inner life" this guy's talking about, I didn't really see much of that in SF. Should I read this idiot's book?
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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    Well it's worth reading so you can make up your own mind. IMHO it's good in parts and feels like a Fleming-written novel, but it's not a patch on Colonel Sun.
    "How was your lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathises."
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    This just goes to show that Faulks hasn't got a clue about James Bond - his book is virtually unreadable!
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • zaphodzaphod Posts: 1,183MI6 Agent
    This just goes to show that Faulks hasn't got a clue about James Bond - his book is virtually unreadable!
    I agree, a very poor effort, Faulks was sluming it and never really 'got' Bond.
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    zaphod wrote:
    This just goes to show that Faulks hasn't got a clue about James Bond - his book is virtually unreadable!
    I agree, a very poor effort, Faulks was sluming it and never really 'got' Bond.

    Yes, the critical stock of Gardner and Benson should be rising - they made the job of writing a Continuation Bond look much easier than it really was!
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    ChromeJon wrote:
    Should I read this idiot's book?

    No, Faulk's Bond novel is awful. Read his 'The Fatal Englishman' instead. Much better book. As for 'Skyfall' Faulks is right. The film is a mess.
  • L JonesL Jones Posts: 131MI6 Agent
    Although I disliked "SKYFALL", I disagree with Faulk's criticisms. I found his comment that Naomie Harris couldn't act distasteful. And I disagree with his comments that the Craig films made a mistake in making Bond a more human character. Despite the razzle dazzle, Bond has always been human. To me, Faulks' criticisms struck me as slovenly and lacking an objective view. Perhaps he was jealous that his novel wasn't adapted for the screen.
  • ChromeJobChromeJob Durham, NC USAPosts: 149MI6 Agent
    I found his book at the library this afternoon. Snagged it along with DR. NO and FRWL. (GOLDFINGER left a bad taste in my mouth, I'd forgotten how ludicrous and unpleasant a Bond novel it is.) I'll give it a chapter or two.
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  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    Dr No is the best novel, GF the worst.
    “The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,320MI6 Agent
    Dr No is the best novel, GF the worst.

    I started reading through all the fleming novels but for the last month not made any progress, stuck on GF and not found the will to get thru it yet but don't want to skip any books!!
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  • alphaagentalphaagent Posts: 433MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Dr No is the best novel, GF the worst.

    I started reading through all the fleming novels but for the last month not made any progress, stuck on GF and not found the will to get thru it yet but don't want to skip any books!!

    stick with it paul, very rewarding, I love thunderball def my favourite!
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,320MI6 Agent
    Looking forward to TB and OHMSS as they are two of my fave films!! {[]

    Will try and progress on GF tomorrow!!
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  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    I think one reason I don't like Goldfinger the novel is because of it came after the best two Fleming novels, FRWL, DN and Fleming wasn't able to write up to that standard.
    “The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
    -Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
  • Le SamouraiLe Samourai Honolulu, HIPosts: 573MI6 Agent
    L Jones wrote:
    Although I disliked "SKYFALL", I disagree with Faulk's criticisms. I found his comment that Naomie Harris couldn't act distasteful. And I disagree with his comments that the Craig films made a mistake in making Bond a more human character. Despite the razzle dazzle, Bond has always been human. To me, Faulks' criticisms struck me as slovenly and lacking an objective view. Perhaps he was jealous that his novel wasn't adapted for the screen.

    I'm glad you posted this. While I loved SF, I am certainly open to intelligent, well-considered criticism. Faulk's comments were neither.
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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Looking forward to TB and OHMSS as they are two of my fave films!! {[]

    Will try and progress on GF tomorrow!!

    IMO TB is the best, closely followed by OHMSS. Lucky you, I wish I was reading them for the first time!

    Goldfinger though works well as a whole, so as alpha agent says, stick with it. I also like LALD best of the early ones, Dr No and FRWL best of the mid period, and all the later ones (except TMWTGG) as by then Fleming's writing and characterisation were both fantastic.
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  • lotuslotus englandPosts: 293MI6 Agent
    lol what a waste of time ,it does not bother me what anyone thinks of skyfall or any of the other films ,as a 50 year old ive been a big fan of the bond films since I was 10 years old and people can write whatever they wish ,skyfall is the best bont film since the connery films and dan is the best bond since connery !
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,755MI6 Agent
    Mesasage to Sebastion Faulks: everyone is entitled to their opinion and the opinion it appears of most who have read your Bond book is that it isn't very good. :))
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    L Jones wrote:
    Although I disliked "SKYFALL", I disagree with Faulk's criticisms. I found his comment that Naomie Harris couldn't act distasteful. And I disagree with his comments that the Craig films made a mistake in making Bond a more human character. Despite the razzle dazzle, Bond has always been human. To me, Faulks' criticisms struck me as slovenly and lacking an objective view. Perhaps he was jealous that his novel wasn't adapted for the screen.

    I agree. I wasn't overly impressed with SF and thought it was a weak entry, particularly compared to DC's other 2, but I thought that DMC was poorly written and the hype the book supposedly received in the literary industry was to me another example of marketing smoke and mirrors. Faulks is clearly inept or was just plain lazy in his preparation and execution of DMC and I think its a crime how the mainstream is so oblivious to the nuances of the subject matter, yet the mainstream voice seems to hold sizable influence. That is why in regard to the Bond movies for example, I don't really give much credence to what most professional movie critics and average movie goers have to say, compared to Bond fans who by sheer, repeated and often obsessive exposure to the subject matter, have something to say that's worth considering.
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  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    edited January 2013
    Would have thought Craig/Mendes and Faulks would have had a shed load in common as North London Guardianistas. However....

    For all the faults of SKYFALL (Craig's look, a plot more full of holes than most, under-use of Severine, the cliched naffness of a silver DB5, Craig-Bond not ending up with a girl AGAIN, a downbeat ending AGAIN...) at least Craig and Mendes tried, however often erroneously.

    Faulks on the other hand didn't give a stuff and was clearly slumming it as far as he was concerned with JB. X-(
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Yet it's similar; both Fleming Foundation and EON want to hire cachet name writers/directors who do just the one, for that short term flurry of interest. Hence Faulks, Deaver, Boyd... Apted, Tamorahi (up to a point), Forster, Mendes...
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    Yet it's similar; both Fleming Foundation and EON want to hire cachet name writers/directors who do just the one, for that short term flurry of interest. Hence Faulks, Deaver, Boyd... Apted, Tamorahi (up to a point), Forster, Mendes...

    Yes, it does seem to be a return to the 1970s plan to have different writers pen James Bond novels under different pseudonyms, only with the name 'George Glidrose'!
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    Yet it's similar; both Fleming Foundation and EON want to hire cachet name writers/directors who do just the one, for that short term flurry of interest. Hence Faulks, Deaver, Boyd... Apted, Tamorahi (up to a point), Forster, Mendes...

    Mendes...lol! He's not suited for action movies and should stick to character-driven dramas.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I beg to differ. Mendes did just fine with Skyfall.
    superado wrote:
    Yet it's similar; both Fleming Foundation and EON want to hire cachet name writers/directors who do just the one, for that short term flurry of interest. Hence Faulks, Deaver, Boyd... Apted, Tamorahi (up to a point), Forster, Mendes...

    Mendes...lol! He's not suited for action movies and should stick to character-driven dramas.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • Le SamouraiLe Samourai Honolulu, HIPosts: 573MI6 Agent
    superado wrote:
    Yet it's similar; both Fleming Foundation and EON want to hire cachet name writers/directors who do just the one, for that short term flurry of interest. Hence Faulks, Deaver, Boyd... Apted, Tamorahi (up to a point), Forster, Mendes...

    Mendes...lol! He's not suited for action movies and should stick to character-driven dramas.

    Why can't a film be both? There have been many movies that incorporate action as well as character-driven drama.
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    superado wrote:
    Yet it's similar; both Fleming Foundation and EON want to hire cachet name writers/directors who do just the one, for that short term flurry of interest. Hence Faulks, Deaver, Boyd... Apted, Tamorahi (up to a point), Forster, Mendes...

    Mendes...lol! He's not suited for action movies and should stick to character-driven dramas.

    Why can't a film be both? There have been many movies that incorporate action as well as character-driven drama.
    I beg to differ. Mendes did just fine with Skyfall.

    As Bond fans, why do we have to romanticize just how excellent Bond is in every area of consideration? Can't we just recognize these films for what they are? Have any of you watched "Road to Perdition"? That was a superior Mendes "action movie" in which whatever action it had took a back-seat to the character development; if a Fleming book were to be faithfully translated on screen, it would resemble Road to Perdition more than any of the recent Bond movies, including Casino Royale. Mendes' other character driven movies like American Beauty, Jarhead and Revolutionary Road (my favorite Mendes movie) run circles around SF, which IMO just happens to enjoy the prestige of being a Bond movie.

    I don't remember where my quick review on SF is located, but sorry, to me it seemed sorely obvious that Mendes over-reached in his first effort for a block-buster action movie. I don't know how much of the action sequences he's responsible for and how much of those were done by the 2nd unit, but many scenes were just too fake, like the rooftop chase with a fake-ly distressed performance motorcycle, the over-the-top use of a backhoe on the train (very DAD), the fight with the sniper that was too stylized and looked more liked a synchronized dance than an actual fight (here, smoke and mirrors have been replaced by an overdose of neon) ...where do I stop? I suppose blame could be also be placed on the ridiculous production design, which I can confidently assume received predominant input from the director, such as the Macao casino, Silva's "Death Island," etc. I will spare Mendes from blame regarding the plot and its holes and implausible elements (London Tube crash, Skyfall siege), which I guess can be blamed on the usual suspects, Purvis and Wade sans Paul Haggis, the saving grace for CR and QoS. C'mon, you gotta ask yourself, "realistically, would any of this happen in a Bourne movie?" ;)
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    superado wrote:
    As Bond fans, why do we have to romanticize just how excellent Bond is in every area of consideration? Can't we just recognize these films for what they are? Have any of you watched "Road to Perdition"? That was a superior Mendes "action movie" in which whatever action it had took a back-seat to the character development; if a Fleming book were to be faithfully translated on screen, it would resemble Road to Perdition more than any of the recent Bond movies, including Casino Royale. Mendes' other character driven movies like American Beauty, Jarhead and Revolutionary Road (my favorite Mendes movie) run circles around SF, which IMO just happens to enjoy the prestige of being a Bond movie.

    I don't remember where my quick review on SF is located, but sorry, to me it seemed sorely obvious that Mendes over-reached in his first effort for a block-buster action movie. I don't know how much of the action sequences he's responsible for and how much of those were done by the 2nd unit, but many scenes were just too fake, like the rooftop chase with a fake-ly distressed performance motorcycle, the over-the-top use of a backhoe on the train (very DAD), the fight with the sniper that was too stylized and looked more liked a synchronized dance than an actual fight (here, smoke and mirrors have been replaced by an overdose of neon) ...where do I stop? I suppose blame could be also be placed on the ridiculous production design, which I can confidently assume received predominant input from the director, such as the Macao casino, Silva's "Death Island," etc. I will spare Mendes from blame regarding the plot and its holes and implausible elements (London Tube crash, Skyfall siege), which I guess can be blamed on the usual suspects, Purvis and Wade sans Paul Haggis, the saving grace for CR and QoS. C'mon, you gotta ask yourself, "realistically, would any of this happen in a Bourne movie?" ;)

    Yes. I suspect in 10 years time we'll look back on SKYFALL (on Craig's entire tenure???) as over-praised guff that fooled a lot of people and received glowing reviews on its release when really it was rather poor.

    A bit like DAD's viewed now....
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I doubt it. I have been a hard-core Bond fan since Dr. No and I believe I have a firm appreciation for what makes a good Bond film, although of course my opinion is subjective just like all others. But I can assure you that I don't romanticize or get "fooled" into believing that I saw something good that in reality was "rather poor". I enjoyed all three Daniel Craig Bond films to some degree, although Quantum of Solace was disappointing, especially as a follow-up to Casino Royale, which to me is one of the top Bond films in the series. Although I don't think Skyfall is quite on par with CR, it is most definitely an entertaining, well-made Bond film that I believe will stand the test of time quite well.
    superado wrote:
    As Bond fans, why do we have to romanticize just how excellent Bond is in every area of consideration? Can't we just recognize these films for what they are? Have any of you watched "Road to Perdition"? That was a superior Mendes "action movie" in which whatever action it had took a back-seat to the character development; if a Fleming book were to be faithfully translated on screen, it would resemble Road to Perdition more than any of the recent Bond movies, including Casino Royale. Mendes' other character driven movies like American Beauty, Jarhead and Revolutionary Road (my favorite Mendes movie) run circles around SF, which IMO just happens to enjoy the prestige of being a Bond movie.

    I don't remember where my quick review on SF is located, but sorry, to me it seemed sorely obvious that Mendes over-reached in his first effort for a block-buster action movie. I don't know how much of the action sequences he's responsible for and how much of those were done by the 2nd unit, but many scenes were just too fake, like the rooftop chase with a fake-ly distressed performance motorcycle, the over-the-top use of a backhoe on the train (very DAD), the fight with the sniper that was too stylized and looked more liked a synchronized dance than an actual fight (here, smoke and mirrors have been replaced by an overdose of neon) ...where do I stop? I suppose blame could be also be placed on the ridiculous production design, which I can confidently assume received predominant input from the director, such as the Macao casino, Silva's "Death Island," etc. I will spare Mendes from blame regarding the plot and its holes and implausible elements (London Tube crash, Skyfall siege), which I guess can be blamed on the usual suspects, Purvis and Wade sans Paul Haggis, the saving grace for CR and QoS. C'mon, you gotta ask yourself, "realistically, would any of this happen in a Bourne movie?" ;)

    Yes. I suspect in 10 years time we'll look back on SKYFALL (on Craig's entire tenure???) as over-praised guff that fooled a lot of people and received glowing reviews on its release when really it was rather poor.

    A bit like DAD's viewed now....
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
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