Would you agree that the only good Roger Moore films are...

Sean ConneryFan#2013489Sean ConneryFan#2013489 Posts: 11MI6 Agent
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The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, For Your Eyes Only and Octopussy?

Because think about it, in Live and Let Die and The Man with the Golden Gun it was the period where Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman did not know what to do with Roger Moore. It essentially took two films and the separation of Harry and Cubby before Mr. Broccoli could get it right with The Spy Who Loved Me. And that's kind of a fact.

In A View to a Kill Roger was too old at that point and tired, and too weak to be James Bond.
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  • LastRatStandingLastRatStanding ScotlandPosts: 296MI6 Agent
    Sean ConneryFan#2013489 wrote:
    Moonraker

    But.. you said good Moore films. :s
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  • TheundeadkennedyTheundeadkennedy Posts: 292MI6 Agent
    Yeah, subtract Moonraker and I may agree with your argument.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Sean ConneryFan#2013489 wrote:
    It essentially took two films and the separation of Harry and Cubby before Mr. Broccoli could get it right with The Spy Who Loved Me. And that's kind of a fact.
    :o
    A FACT?
    TMWTGG is an under-rated Moore Classic IMO. Better than the rest.
    How's THAT for a fact? :))
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  • Brosnan_fanBrosnan_fan Sydney, AustraliaPosts: 521MI6 Agent
    First of all, welcome to ajb007, Sean Connery Fan.

    While I enjoy the four films you mention, the question you pose on this forum is rather contentious.

    There are many on this forum who dislike Moonraker, and I can understand their feelings. In the case of Octopussy, it seems to be an acquired taste - you either love it or hate it.

    As to your view of Live and Let Die and The Man with the Golden Gun - a number of people here like both films (I think they are OK), and they would put them in the "good Moore films" category.

    Now, A View to a Kill (Ahhh... A View to a Kill :(|) X-( ) - while it should be the general consensus that it is Moore's worst film :v , it does have its supporters; some would actually put it in the "good" category. :s

    In summary, if you pose the question, "What are the good Moore Bond films?" on here, I believe you would find that The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only would be the unquestionable ones.

    Personally speaking, as I mentioned before, I am a fan of the four films you listed, and I agree with you they are the best Bond films of the Roger Moore era.
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  • Sean ConneryFan#2013489Sean ConneryFan#2013489 Posts: 11MI6 Agent
    LastRatStanding wrote:
    Sean ConneryFan#2013489 wrote:
    Moonraker

    But.. you said good Moore films. :s

    Well, I personally prefer Moonraker to Diamonds Are Forever and I'm the Sean Connery Fan!! I mean, Diamonds, is to Sean Connery, that A View to a Kill can and should be to Sir Roger Moore....And that's a bad movie. A very bad movie.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Now also subtract TSWLM and OP and you've got my list.
    Theundeadkennedy wrote:
    Yeah, subtract Moonraker and I may agree with your argument.
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  • raptors_887raptors_887 CanadaPosts: 215MI6 Agent
    I think Octopussy is by far the best Moore film. That Tarzan scene only lasts about 5 seconds out of the whole movie so just press mute when its on. The rest has a good amount of action and suspence. I don't understand where the hate comes from with that movie.
    1: Casino Royale 2: Goldeneye 3: Skyfall 4: Octopussy 5: Goldfinger 6: Tomorrow Never Dies 7: The World Is Not Enough 8: The Living Daylights 9: From Russia With Love 10: The Spy Who Loved Me
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    The reason I dislike Moonraker (Film Version) is because it contains hardly anything from the Novel (aside from the Title and Villain Name)
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  • LastRatStandingLastRatStanding ScotlandPosts: 296MI6 Agent
    Sean ConneryFan#2013489 wrote:
    LastRatStanding wrote:
    Sean ConneryFan#2013489 wrote:
    Moonraker

    But.. you said good Moore films. :s

    Well, I personally prefer Moonraker to Diamonds Are Forever and I'm the Sean Connery Fan!! I mean, Diamonds, is to Sean Connery, that A View to a Kill can and should be to Sir Roger Moore....And that's a bad movie. A very bad movie.

    At the end of the day Moonraker vs Diamonds are forever is a battle for bottom spot. Both are pretty grim on the whole but definitely have their place in the series. A View To A Kill is one of those movies that I probably shouldnt enjoy as much as I do, but hell, it's entertaining without having to have tonnes of forced humour every second scene!
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  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    Leave the TSWLM the rest as far as I'm concerned are dross, FYEO is the one bond movie I can never watch.
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    Sean ConneryFan#2013489 wrote:
    The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, For Your Eyes Only and Octopussy?

    No I wouldn't agree. While FYEO and OP are great, and TSWLM good, MR is lousy. AVTAK and LALD are amazing and the best 2. So no, I don't agree :D
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,871MI6 Agent
    edited February 2013
    I'd differ and say that the best of Moore (from a Bond characterisation point of view) are:

    FYEO
    TMWTGG
    OP
    LALD
    MR
    TSWLM
    AVTAK
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,871MI6 Agent
    edited February 2013
    "dead Roger Moore films..." :))
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,871MI6 Agent
    Silhouette Man wrote:
    "dead Roger Moore films..." :))

    A bit like those darn Germans in WW1 & 2!
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • NeverSayDieNeverSayDie Posts: 495MI6 Agent
    LastRatStanding wrote:
    Sean ConneryFan#2013489 wrote:
    Moonraker

    But.. you said good Moore films. :s

    Moonraker is good. Prob my fave Roger Moore film.
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  • NeverSayDieNeverSayDie Posts: 495MI6 Agent
    LastRatStanding wrote:
    Sean ConneryFan#2013489 wrote:
    LastRatStanding wrote:

    But.. you said good Moore films. :s

    Well, I personally prefer Moonraker to Diamonds Are Forever and I'm the Sean Connery Fan!! I mean, Diamonds, is to Sean Connery, that A View to a Kill can and should be to Sir Roger Moore....And that's a bad movie. A very bad movie.

    At the end of the day Moonraker vs Diamonds are forever is a battle for bottom spot. Both are pretty grim on the whole but definitely have their place in the series. A View To A Kill is one of those movies that I probably shouldnt enjoy as much as I do, but hell, it's entertaining without having to have tonnes of forced humour every second scene!


    Diamonds are Forever takes the spot for worst official Bond film. It really should work:
    Amazing theme song
    Great soundtrack
    Great locations
    Guy Hamilton returning as director
    and the return of Connery...

    BUT it fails on the story and the camp humour. Moonraker in comparison is a master piece of entertainment!
    (*cough...highest grossing Bond film till Goldeneye)

    Did I mention Moonraker is my top 5. :D
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  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Out of all the 23 Bond films, Roger Moore only did 6 or 7 that were any good!
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • Brosnan_fanBrosnan_fan Sydney, AustraliaPosts: 521MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    Out of all the 23 Bond films, Roger Moore only did 6 or 7 that were any good!

    8-) :s :p
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  • LazenbyfanLazenbyfan USAPosts: 53MI6 Agent
    Theundeadkennedy wrote:
    Yeah, subtract Moonraker and I may agree with your argument.


    I would tend to agree. However I would add Live and Let Die.
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,871MI6 Agent
    edited February 2013
    NeverSayDie wrote:
    LastRatStanding wrote:
    Sean ConneryFan#2013489 wrote:

    Well, I personally prefer Moonraker to Diamonds Are Forever and I'm the Sean Connery Fan!! I mean, Diamonds, is to Sean Connery, that A View to a Kill can and should be to Sir Roger Moore....And that's a bad movie. A very bad movie.

    At the end of the day Moonraker vs Diamonds are forever is a battle for bottom spot. Both are pretty grim on the whole but definitely have their place in the series. A View To A Kill is one of those movies that I probably shouldnt enjoy as much as I do, but hell, it's entertaining without having to have tonnes of forced humour every second scene!


    Diamonds are Forever takes the spot for worst official Bond film. It really should work:
    Amazing theme song
    Great soundtrack
    Great locations
    Guy Hamilton returning as director
    and the return of Connery...

    BUT it fails on the story and the camp humour. Moonraker in comparison is a master piece of entertainment!
    (*cough...highest grossing Bond film till Goldeneye)

    Did I mention Moonraker is my top 5. :D

    Exactly, DAF is the pits as I will say in a new article on The Bondologist Blog soon entitled 'A Very Nasty Little Film Indeed - An Alternative Review of Diamonds Are Forever (1971)'
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,489MI6 Agent
    Email me that one and I will - ahem - sub it for you..... ;) :v
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,871MI6 Agent
    Napoleon Plural wrote:
    Email me that one and I will - ahem - sub it for you..... ;) :v

    Serious or joking?

    I might just take you up on that - I can go on!
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,489MI6 Agent
    Yeah, I don't mind. PM me. :)
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,871MI6 Agent
    Napoleon Plural wrote:
    Yeah, I don't mind. PM me. :)

    OK - will do, maybe. Do you really think my articles need to be edited more tightly? Do you think that they're any good?
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,489MI6 Agent
    They are alright. Like I said, you can stagger them over 5 pages, internet doesn't work for long rants, no matter how articulate and right they are. More headings too.

    Some interesting stuff, needs tightening. More style over substance is needed. :)
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,871MI6 Agent
    Napoleon Plural wrote:
    They are alright. Like I said, you can stagger them over 5 pages, internet doesn't work for long rants, no matter how articulate and right they are. More headings too.

    Some interesting stuff, needs tightening. More style over substance is needed. :)

    I don't think that it was a long rant, at all. I've edited it a bit. Martin Amis left a comment - nuff said!

    I think that you said that you edited for a living?
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Guys, I just now finished watching TMWTGG again (my new Ultimate DVD of it), and it was as great as ever (but it looked prettier). This is SO definitely my favourite Moore Bond. I *LOVE* that Scaramanga dies, and then the movie continues because the mission isn't complete. His twisted stupid fascination with Bond was his weakness, and Bond exploited it. Goodnight in that bikini, the music, the Meddings miniature detonations... I'm at a loss to explain how my fellow Bond fans can't totally love this flick. ?:)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    I'm at a loss to explain how my fellow Bond fans can't totally love this flick. ?:)

    Exactly how I feel about AVTAK
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    I'm at a loss to explain how my fellow Bond fans can't totally love this flick. ?:)

    Exactly how I feel about AVTAK
    :#
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • L JonesL Jones Posts: 131MI6 Agent
    Sean ConneryFan#2013489 wrote:
    The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, For Your Eyes Only and Octopussy?

    Because think about it, in Live and Let Die and The Man with the Golden Gun it was the period where Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman did not know what to do with Roger Moore. It essentially took two films and the separation of Harry and Cubby before Mr. Broccoli could get it right with The Spy Who Loved Me. And that's kind of a fact.

    In A View to a Kill Roger was too old at that point and tired, and too weak to be James Bond.


    The best of Moore's films for me were "THE SPY WHO LOVED ME", "FOR YOUR EYES ONLY" and "OCTOPUSSY". Three out of seven isn't bad. It's a better ratio than the Connery films for me. Out of Connery's six EON films and one independent, I think the best were "FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE" and "THUNDERBALL".


    As for " A VIEW TO A KILL", I rather liked it. I don't love it. I know that in some scenes it was easy to see that Moore was ill with a cold during filming. But for me, it's an improvement on the "GOLDFINGER" plot.
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