Great post Mr. Osato. Perfect analysis of Connery, Brosnan and Dalton.
I also agree with the part about Moore being annoying when he was finishing Dr. Goodhead's sentences. Also correcting Q as to where the rare orchid was found. Why the script writers chose to make Bond a know-it-all is a little puzzling. However, this is not just Roger Moore trait because Lazenby also did this by identifying a Nymphalis pholychloris, and Connery's extended scene in DAF about knowing the original vintage of the sherry as 1851. 8-)
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Great post Mr. Osato. Perfect analysis of Connery, Brosnan and Dalton.
I also agree with the part about Moore being annoying when he was finishing Dr. Goodhead's sentences. Also correcting Q as to where the rare orchid was found. Why the script writers chose to make Bond a know-it-all is a little puzzling. However, this is not just Roger Moore trait because Lazenby also did this by identifying a Nymphalis pholychloris, and Connery's extended scene in DAF about knowing the original vintage of the sherry as 1851. 8-)
Very true. However, Moore said it with such a smirk, that it was truely cringing. I didnt mind Connery that much in that scene, he sounded like an expert. Moore sounded like a teachers pet.
Moore is being facetious, trumping her so-called 'superior knowledge' or the fact that she is speaking like she's reading from a PR manual. Anyway, what he recites about the space shuttle isn't exactly arcane knowledge, plus it's a smart way of conveying information to the audience without making it too obvious.
I can relate to the opening poster. To me there are 2 Bonds that perfectly fit the bill:
- Connery. He has it all: Sexiness, Body, face, suaveness, humor. You can see that he brings danger with him, that he can adapt to any situation being in a casino or in a dangerous bar. A man of the world and the best Bond, period.
- Brosnan. This man was born to play Bond. watch any interview of Brosnan of the late 80's, early 90's before he was Bond and you see: this guy is James Bond for the future. Exceptionally good looking but not in a pretty boy way, but in a manly way. Suave as hell and good sense of humor. If only Brosnan had the material of Casino Royale or Skyfall, he would have given Connery a run for his money.
The reason I place Connery first, is that I have the feeling he can adapt himself into any situation. Brosnan is a bit too slick and I dont see him hang out with the local sailors in a dirty alleys bar, despite some scenes.
Craig is not my Bond. He has the material, he is a good actor, but he is too rough on the edges, I dont imagine women immediately falling in love with him the second they see him.
Dalton had the edge and good material, but had no sense of humor and misses the suaveness of Bond. I liked the fact that he played Bond like the agent who is not happy with his job, that was great. But he stretched it a bit too far, it lacked a bit of the fun, something Brosnan had more. Best example is in tomorrow never dies, after Paris dies, he coldly kills Dr kaufman, yet has great fun in the BMW parking garage chase.
Moore, is enjoyable, but impossible to take serious as a secret agent. Has no danger in him and at times I find him extremely annoying when he acts like a know-it-all, especially in Moonraker, when he finishes the sentences of Dr Goodhead. I would have punched him right in the face if he did that with me!
Lazenby was alright, ups and downs, which is normal considering his age, his lack of experience. He did well considering the circumstances and could have grown in the role more.
all in all, for me there are just 2 perfect Bonds: Connery and Brosnan.
I agree with just about everything you said, especially when give the reasons you think Connery is the best. But I disagree about Craig - I like his Bond quite a bit.
In all fairness, I would not have had a better replacement for Brosnan either in 2005. I heard even Hugh Grant was a candidate? )
I think he is doing a good job, he is just not my Bond, that is all. And I think he is lucky to work with great material as in CR and SF.
@ Napoleon Plural: I just think Moore was a total schmuck when he finishes the line of somebody else. I know it is in the script, but he just looked like a total dick there.And very un-gentlemanish (is that a word??)
I think he is doing a good job, he is just not my Bond, that is all. And I think he is lucky to work with great material as in CR and SF.
I had to Join this site cause i've been a bit of a lurker for a few months ( this site comes of a bit Craig is not Bond to me) but comments like this just drives me up the wall.
He's not Lucky to have material like this but The Bond Franchise and Universe is lucky to have him play Bond. Brosnan wouldn't have reached the depths Craig has with his Bond. Unlike every Bond actor before him he was a respected actor who was going to be a star without Bond. He works hard behind the scenes more so then any other actor to have played Bond. If it wasn't for him actors like Eva Green, Ralph Fiennes, Ben Wilshaw, Javier Bardem wouldn't have touched a Bond film. Sam Mendes (a oscar winning director) wouldn't have directed a Bond film. His Bond films are most critical acclaimed since Connery early efforts and the most watched. He has the biggest Grossing Bond film which has won ton of awards.
He might not be your Bond but to dismiss him with a simple "He's lucky to have the material" is a crock of ****.
The smug "I'm an expert on EVERYTHING" material they kept sticking in to the later
films really annoyed me. It was just another way of winking at the audience and making a parody of Fleming's original character. Bond kept up his knowledge of
the things that mattered to his hobbies and his job. He studied gambling and he
liked cars. He enjoyed good wine and knew which drinks he liked but that's as far
as it went. He had to constantly bone up on the latest info sent to his office - reports
on weapons, poisons, explosives, surveillance, etc. - whatever they thought he needed to keep informed on subjects that would be useful to his unique job. He could speak French and German and a little Russian and that was it. He didn't
know anything about butterfly collecting - he might know something about coins
and currency, but not be an expert on them. That's why I liked it when asked
what he knew about gold he replies "I know it when I see it" - and that was it.
He's not Lucky to have material like this but The Bond Franchise and Universe is lucky to have him play Bond. Brosnan wouldn't have reached the depths Craig has with his Bond. Unlike every Bond actor before him he was a respected actor who was going to be a star without Bond.
Lucky?! To have a guy who doesn't look the role? If by depths you mean low point, then we agree. If by depths you mean reaching deep to pull up quality, wellll, there we have a problem. Craig is one dimensional. He plays pissed off all the time. He's going for menace, but looks petulant. Connery could laugh, but maintain the threat level. Dalton was the most serious Bond til Craig, but you see him with a greater range. Brosnan had great serious portions, but watching him steer the BMW from the back seat with his phone, he was having fun. They had range. DC is pissed no matter what the scene is. Now I've recently come to the conclusion that that is part of the origin, that DC's trilogy is leading up to the Bond we are familiar with. But, Connery was well on his way to stardom, Moore had a great career before Bond, Dalton was a highly successful stage actor, and Brosnan also had great parts on TV and film. So your statement about DC being the only Bond actor with big credentials rings a bit hollow. After all, what had he really done? Layer Cake? that's about all I know of.
He works hard behind the scenes more so then any other actor to have played Bond.
How do you know that? have you been on set with Connery, Moore, Dalton, Lazenby or Brosnan, to be able to speak so authoritatively? You are going off hear say. And if QOS is a result of his hard work, I'd just as soon he was lazy.
If it wasn't for him actors like Eva Green, Ralph Fiennes, Ben Wilshaw, Javier Bardem wouldn't have touched a Bond film. Sam Mendes (a oscar winning director) wouldn't have directed a Bond film.
Eva Green has done, what, 3 or 4 films as a leading lady? Ben Wilshaw? Came off a BBC series if I'm not mistaken. Javier Bardem? What, 2 or 3 big films? I had never heard of him before SF. And Sam Mendes? SF was his first action film, so he was an experiment. Not big stars by my book. Ralph Fiennes has been around a while, but what has he done lately? Now, look at the stars Brozzer got: Sean Bean, Famke Janssen, Denise Richards, Judi Dench, and so forth.
His Bond films are most critical acclaimed since Connery early efforts and the most watched. He has the biggest Grossing Bond film which has won ton of awards.
Critical acclamation means nothing. Less than nothing, actually. When I hear a movie getting rave reviews, I avoid it usually. The critics are not real movie fans, they are paid to do a job which requires them to spend 8 hours a day or so watching movies. Their perspective on film is skewed from the norm because of overexposure. Box office gross is another poor judge. The old saying holds true: a fool and his money are soon parted. Plus, Connery's films held their records without being able to tap into the billions in China.
You are right, he is not my Bond. But I am not dismissing him for having good material, I don't think the material is all that great,TBH. I am dismissing him because I don't like his portrayal thus far. I will continue to give him opportunities however, to prove himself to be Bond. That's more than I could say 6 months ago.
Brosnan had great serious portions, but watching him steer the BMW from the back seat with his phone, he was having fun. They had range. DC is pissed no matter what the scene is.
I admire that you're arguing that Pierce Brosnan has greater range as an actor than Daniel Craig. Good luck to you, sir!
I think he is doing a good job, he is just not my Bond, that is all. And I think he is lucky to work with great material as in CR and SF.
I had to Join this site cause i've been a bit of a lurker for a few months ( this site comes of a bit Craig is not Bond to me) but comments like this just drives me up the wall.
He's not Lucky to have material like this but The Bond Franchise and Universe is lucky to have him play Bond. Brosnan wouldn't have reached the depths Craig has with his Bond. Unlike every Bond actor before him he was a respected actor who was going to be a star without Bond. He works hard behind the scenes more so then any other actor to have played Bond. If it wasn't for him actors like Eva Green, Ralph Fiennes, Ben Wilshaw, Javier Bardem wouldn't have touched a Bond film. Sam Mendes (a oscar winning director) wouldn't have directed a Bond film. His Bond films are most critical acclaimed since Connery early efforts and the most watched. He has the biggest Grossing Bond film which has won ton of awards.
He might not be your Bond but to dismiss him with a simple "He's lucky to have the material" is a crock of ****.
Good to have you in the group, 007bond. And might I say that you are absolutely correct. That "Craig was lucky" mantra is doo doo! )
I admire that you're arguing that Pierce Brosnan has greater range as an actor than Daniel Craig. Good luck to you, sir!
I believe he was citing a greater range as Bond... :007)
Still wrong! :007)
Yes I was, and no I'm not. It's no secret how I feel about DC. But I really thought I had laid this thread to rest. I have seen nothing from Craig that other actors who have played the role couldn't do. I think the banter between him and Vesper was well written and well done. I think (hope)the last three movies are leading back to the Bond I love. I am willing to give DC more opportunities. But to say he is the best to ever play the role is ludicrous. He hasn't had much of the character of Bond written for him yet. He hasn't shown us suave, or sophisticated, yet. He hasn't played Bond, yet. He has been playing up to becoming Bond, developing the character.
I believe he was citing a greater range as Bond... :007)
Still wrong! :007)
Yes I was, and no I'm not. It's no secret how I feel about DC. But I really thought I had laid this thread to rest. I have seen nothing from Craig that other actors who have played the role couldn't do. I think the banter between him and Vesper was well written and well done. I think (hope)the last three movies are leading back to the Bond I love. I am willing to give DC more opportunities. But to say he is the best to ever play the role is ludicrous. He hasn't had much of the character of Bond written for him yet. He hasn't shown us suave, or sophisticated, yet. He hasn't played Bond, yet. He has been playing up to becoming Bond, developing the character.
Well I, for one, never said Craig was the best ever to play Bond. (That would be Sean Connery, thank you!) But he's way better than a "one note thug" as some here have suggested, and I think he acquitted himself quite well in Skyfall. So the debate continues, I guess. :007)
he's way better than a "one note thug" as some here have suggested, and I think he acquitted himself quite well in Skyfall. So the debate continues, I guess. :007)
I like Craig, but he's not awesome in the role like Connery & Dalton were IMO. He ROCKED in his movies, similarly to the way Brosnan ROCKED in his first three, but he's no better than Brosnan, just different, with different material to work with. -{
I used to despise DC as Bond purely because I was expecting Pierce to be allowed another roll of the dice to try and end on a high note and so when I seen Casino Royale for the fist time I just couldn't accept Craig as Bond at all. Now I really do like him in the role and although I don't re-watch his films all that much, 2/3 of them are fantastic (QoS is a little offbeat). But yeah I have now come to think he is the best actor to play Bond....but not quite the best bond. I think he will continue to grow on me the more Bonds he makes and frankly I can't wait for #24 but I am a bit wary....is it still to early for him to start phoning in his performance??
....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.
Rogue Agent thanks for the welcome but i gave up reading your long rant after you said Craig was one Dimensonal. I couldn't take you serious after that.
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I also agree with the part about Moore being annoying when he was finishing Dr. Goodhead's sentences. Also correcting Q as to where the rare orchid was found. Why the script writers chose to make Bond a know-it-all is a little puzzling. However, this is not just Roger Moore trait because Lazenby also did this by identifying a Nymphalis pholychloris, and Connery's extended scene in DAF about knowing the original vintage of the sherry as 1851. 8-)
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Very true. However, Moore said it with such a smirk, that it was truely cringing. I didnt mind Connery that much in that scene, he sounded like an expert. Moore sounded like a teachers pet.
1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore
Moore is being facetious, trumping her so-called 'superior knowledge' or the fact that she is speaking like she's reading from a PR manual. Anyway, what he recites about the space shuttle isn't exactly arcane knowledge, plus it's a smart way of conveying information to the audience without making it too obvious.
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I agree with just about everything you said, especially when give the reasons you think Connery is the best. But I disagree about Craig - I like his Bond quite a bit.
I think he is doing a good job, he is just not my Bond, that is all. And I think he is lucky to work with great material as in CR and SF.
@ Napoleon Plural: I just think Moore was a total schmuck when he finishes the line of somebody else. I know it is in the script, but he just looked like a total dick there.And very un-gentlemanish (is that a word??)
1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore
I had to Join this site cause i've been a bit of a lurker for a few months ( this site comes of a bit Craig is not Bond to me) but comments like this just drives me up the wall.
He's not Lucky to have material like this but The Bond Franchise and Universe is lucky to have him play Bond. Brosnan wouldn't have reached the depths Craig has with his Bond. Unlike every Bond actor before him he was a respected actor who was going to be a star without Bond. He works hard behind the scenes more so then any other actor to have played Bond. If it wasn't for him actors like Eva Green, Ralph Fiennes, Ben Wilshaw, Javier Bardem wouldn't have touched a Bond film. Sam Mendes (a oscar winning director) wouldn't have directed a Bond film. His Bond films are most critical acclaimed since Connery early efforts and the most watched. He has the biggest Grossing Bond film which has won ton of awards.
He might not be your Bond but to dismiss him with a simple "He's lucky to have the material" is a crock of ****.
films really annoyed me. It was just another way of winking at the audience and making a parody of Fleming's original character. Bond kept up his knowledge of
the things that mattered to his hobbies and his job. He studied gambling and he
liked cars. He enjoyed good wine and knew which drinks he liked but that's as far
as it went. He had to constantly bone up on the latest info sent to his office - reports
on weapons, poisons, explosives, surveillance, etc. - whatever they thought he needed to keep informed on subjects that would be useful to his unique job. He could speak French and German and a little Russian and that was it. He didn't
know anything about butterfly collecting - he might know something about coins
and currency, but not be an expert on them. That's why I liked it when asked
what he knew about gold he replies "I know it when I see it" - and that was it.
Lucky?! To have a guy who doesn't look the role? If by depths you mean low point, then we agree. If by depths you mean reaching deep to pull up quality, wellll, there we have a problem. Craig is one dimensional. He plays pissed off all the time. He's going for menace, but looks petulant. Connery could laugh, but maintain the threat level. Dalton was the most serious Bond til Craig, but you see him with a greater range. Brosnan had great serious portions, but watching him steer the BMW from the back seat with his phone, he was having fun. They had range. DC is pissed no matter what the scene is. Now I've recently come to the conclusion that that is part of the origin, that DC's trilogy is leading up to the Bond we are familiar with. But, Connery was well on his way to stardom, Moore had a great career before Bond, Dalton was a highly successful stage actor, and Brosnan also had great parts on TV and film. So your statement about DC being the only Bond actor with big credentials rings a bit hollow. After all, what had he really done? Layer Cake? that's about all I know of.
How do you know that? have you been on set with Connery, Moore, Dalton, Lazenby or Brosnan, to be able to speak so authoritatively? You are going off hear say. And if QOS is a result of his hard work, I'd just as soon he was lazy.
Eva Green has done, what, 3 or 4 films as a leading lady? Ben Wilshaw? Came off a BBC series if I'm not mistaken. Javier Bardem? What, 2 or 3 big films? I had never heard of him before SF. And Sam Mendes? SF was his first action film, so he was an experiment. Not big stars by my book. Ralph Fiennes has been around a while, but what has he done lately? Now, look at the stars Brozzer got: Sean Bean, Famke Janssen, Denise Richards, Judi Dench, and so forth.
Critical acclamation means nothing. Less than nothing, actually. When I hear a movie getting rave reviews, I avoid it usually. The critics are not real movie fans, they are paid to do a job which requires them to spend 8 hours a day or so watching movies. Their perspective on film is skewed from the norm because of overexposure. Box office gross is another poor judge. The old saying holds true: a fool and his money are soon parted. Plus, Connery's films held their records without being able to tap into the billions in China.
You are right, he is not my Bond. But I am not dismissing him for having good material, I don't think the material is all that great,TBH. I am dismissing him because I don't like his portrayal thus far. I will continue to give him opportunities however, to prove himself to be Bond. That's more than I could say 6 months ago.
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I admire that you're arguing that Pierce Brosnan has greater range as an actor than Daniel Craig. Good luck to you, sir!
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Still wrong! :007)
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Good to have you in the group, 007bond. And might I say that you are absolutely correct. That "Craig was lucky" mantra is doo doo!
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You succeeded!
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Get a room, you guys!
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Yes I was, and no I'm not. It's no secret how I feel about DC. But I really thought I had laid this thread to rest. I have seen nothing from Craig that other actors who have played the role couldn't do. I think the banter between him and Vesper was well written and well done. I think (hope)the last three movies are leading back to the Bond I love. I am willing to give DC more opportunities. But to say he is the best to ever play the role is ludicrous. He hasn't had much of the character of Bond written for him yet. He hasn't shown us suave, or sophisticated, yet. He hasn't played Bond, yet. He has been playing up to becoming Bond, developing the character.
Well I, for one, never said Craig was the best ever to play Bond. (That would be Sean Connery, thank you!) But he's way better than a "one note thug" as some here have suggested, and I think he acquitted himself quite well in Skyfall. So the debate continues, I guess. :007)
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