Is there a canard that Pierce Brosnan wasn't a success as James Bond?
Silhouette Man
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It's just that in the New Dawn of the Daniel Craig era of James Bond films it feels like Pierce Brosnan and his four films as James Bond come in for a bad rap. I was growing up during this period and I remember reading magazine articles etc. that said that (a la Sean Connery in YOLT) Pierce Brosnan IS James Bond. Many reports also stressed that Brosnan was the best James Bond since Sean Connery.
So what's happened? Where does Pierce Brosnan and his James Bond films released between 1995 and 2002 sit with the James Bond fan of 2013.
I myself would have loved to have seen Perce Brosnan return for a fifth James Bond film, but post-2004 this seemed increasingly unlikely.
As always, I'd love to hear your views.
So what's happened? Where does Pierce Brosnan and his James Bond films released between 1995 and 2002 sit with the James Bond fan of 2013.
I myself would have loved to have seen Perce Brosnan return for a fifth James Bond film, but post-2004 this seemed increasingly unlikely.
As always, I'd love to hear your views.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
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I'm still not sure what to make of the Daniel Craig era. I will always resent that Pierce wasn't allowed to do at least one more Bond.
PS- a "canard" ? does this word still exist?
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Yes, perhaps Brosnan, like Lazenby before him, will in time be reappraised after 20-odd years after DAD. Coolness is exactly what I was meaning to say - Brosnan is no longer the flavour of the month, but he did sustain the series for ten years, to be able to pass the baton on to Daniel Craig in 2005.
as one of our agents said in a previous thread,when another agent was knocking Brossers,he is an actor 1st and foremost,and is only doing what he is directed to do,
how ever much he/we hate it ,
As for the films, GE is the only decent one (in terms of bond films that is - I can obviously enjoy every bond film in general anyway though)
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
FWIW, EVERY Bond actor is "the best since Connery" when he is the current actor. I think EON could have rebooted the franchise with Brosnan at the helm. Craig plays Bond they way I have heard Brosnan say in interviews is how HE wanted to play the part, but he got saddled with the scripts he was saddled with.
Since a canard is a false story about someone, I think that the fans are in love with Craig and, as Silhouette Man says, they are no longer in love with last years flavor and deem his tenure as a failure.
Intresting. I think if Brosnan got the Daniel Craig scripts he would have been much higher regarded afterwarts... Brosnan is definitely a good actor who could pull it off. But of course Goldeneye along with TND and TWINE were some pretty fun 90'ies actions movies and a stable of their time. today, a badass spy with human emotions in a realistic world is hip, and about 15 years ago, a spy in a super boat on the Thames was badass.. The audience loved Brosnan. And much like the Connery and Moore movies, his movies should be looked at taking the time they were made in in perspective.
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I feel like there's this high-school mentality about James Bond right now. "Oh everybody else likes Daniel Craig, so I gotta say he's the best ever! Oh everybody else hates DIE ANOTHER DAY, so I have to hate it too!"
And after the dust has cleared, Sean Connery will still retain his rightful role as the best James Bond of all time.
Only idiots and non-Bond fans will say that.... X-(
Brosnan made some great Bond films....I don't need 'permission' to enjoy them...and since when did "everybody like Daniel Craig" ?:) Have you really read most of the posts on DC on here ? Did you not read the bile and vitriol that was in all the press - and all over the internet fan sites - when DC was announced ? I think you have 'selective memory syndrome'.....
Amen to that, brother -{
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What?! Are you serious with that statement? Do you have any idea what Moore's repertoire included before he was Bond? He has done Shakespeare, man! and had a very successful TV career as the Saint and on the series Maverick as well as others. As far as his Movie career, he did much more than just Bond. I found 'Crossplot' particularly entertaining(netflix has it)
Have you watched Connery in anything other than Bond? One simply does not get knighted for being a bad actor. As for Brosnan, he not only could pull off ALL the action bits that Craig and Dalton could, he could show us the tortured, guilt ridden side of Bond. He could show us under the veneer to the dark soul beneath, a man who looks at himself and wonders how he became who he is! Brosnan WAS Bond, the only reason I rank him third behind Connery and Dalton is the writing he was stuck with. He played the character to a T, but you can only do so much with scripting like he had.
As for Craig, many here know my feelings. I prefer Lazenby over Craig. Craig plays Bond ala Duke Nukem(First Person Shooter Video Game for those who don't get the reference, just wanted to go around shooting people for no apparent reason). He's just angry all the time. He can't hit the target so he's angry. His girlfriend chooses to drown rather than look at his liver-lipped ugly mug every morning...so he's angry. He gets shot off the train, so he hides on the beach, gets drunk, and is angry. There is no cleverness to Bond now, it's all "I will chase you and I will kill you...because I'm angry" He's angry talking to M, angry when he's driving down the road, angry even when he's walking on the beach! I can tell he's going for menacing, but there is a big difference between menacing and angry. There were a few scenes in CR that briefly gave me hope, but it's gone now.
I'm so sick of people forgetting the power of Dalton's and Brosnan's performances because of media hype. Dalton was ruthless and angry when the scene called for it, but could balance it with the smooth, suave, sophisticated secret agent. And who would argue that Brosnan didn't look ruthless when boarding the 'Manticore' yacht and taking out that guy with just a towel. Yet he showed another side, too, which I've already discussed. Connery was the ultimate when it came to balance, deadly, grace under pressure, but charming and so very smooth. Craig is ruthless. He's a one trick pony, and I'm sick to death off it
There I go again, sorry for the Craig rant, you were asking whether I thought Brosnan got a bum rap. Heck yeah, man! I wish he were still Bond!
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Brosnan did not succeed because of poor scripting. Die Another Day was an embarrassing mess. The only Brosnan Bond that was close to being "flemingesque" was "The World is Not Enough".
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As for Brosnan, I believe he also a skilled actor and he makes for a credible Bond. Unfortunately, he was let down by his scripts and I think that's why his Bond films aren't better.
ROFL!!! What is with you dude? Do you get a hard-on telling me off or something...
See I use these things called quotations marks "" which are used to mark the beginning and the end of a quote. In this particular case, I am quoting people who conform to this moronic high-schoolish superficial mentality of what's popular. In this person's mind, "Everyone" is a majority of people he or she want to be accepted by. "Everybody thinks this way," may not literally mean every living body in the known world. This mentality could be referred to as "Following the trend or fad." If a good majority of people say "Daniel Craig is the best Bond," (and you don't need to be a Bond enthusiast to know that a good amount of people believe that now, not before Casino Royale came out. If you don't notice that, you must live under a rock) then this shallow-minded person seeking everyone's approval will start to think the same way. Consequently, if "Everyone" (as defined by the shallow trend-follower) now decides that they don't like Daniel Craig, as they seem to feel currently about Pierce Brosnan, the trend-follower, not wanting to be discarded by his fellow peers, will follow the crowd and denounce Craig.
This has been your English lesson for the day. There will be a quiz next week.
"Kara, we're inside a Russian airbase in the middle of Afghanistan."
Pierce was deceptively smooth, then he'd break out with some rough stuff. The single best experience I ever had in the cinema Bond-wise was TND, pure delight front to back.
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That's two drinks when you come to Scotland!
I first saw TND during an... unsettling period in my life, and for two hours was in Bond heaven. It reminded me of why I had loved 007 movies in the first place, and I still have a huge affection for it. Loved TWINE more, though!
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Maybe I'm talking rubbish. It's getting late and I'm tired. I'll try and explain myself better in the morning
Yeah, Broz looked a little squeaky sometimes, but it's not his fault he cleans up so well. :007)
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