Why does everyone hate Quantum of Solace ?

Paul 1300Paul 1300 Essex England Posts: 53MI6 Agent
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Just watched QOS again for about the 10th time, and I really can't see why everyone on here hates it so much, its a really good film, its well made, Craig puts in a good performance, the story line is ok, I agree the PTS is a bit confusing to see what is going on. but over all I like it and is a good sequel to CR06, I would have preferred if he had caught up with Mr White and retrieved the missing £150 Million from CR06.
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    That's a question often on my mind, too, Paul. I've not seen it as often as you, bit QoS is in my top 5 Bond films, so I kind of buck the trend on that one! Daniel Craig is, indeed, great in it! -{ In some ways, he's even better than he was in CR. Heresy, I know. I better leave before the AJB OVRA come after me.... :))
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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,535MI6 Agent
    Does everybody hate it? I don't think so. The majority just seem disappointed it didn't live up to what CR promised.
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  • Thunderbird 2Thunderbird 2 East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,817MI6 Agent
    As someone who doesn't like it, I'd like to point out, I can appreciate that other people DO. The main reason I am not impressed is the chop cut edditing. Its too fast for me, and hurt my eyes both times I saw it at the cinema, and attempted to watch it on DVD. I still don't get the storyline, but I thought the proposed triology idea that never happened would resolve that. - IE, who are Quantum?
    I can fully appreciate that others may have no problem with the editing at all, and thoroughly enjoy the film. However it is literally the only Bond film I can't watch. Do I hate it? Nah, the only way a Bond film that could do that is a film that is so bad it kills the series. I think Eon are better than that!
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  • ChromeJobChromeJob Durham, NC USAPosts: 149MI6 Agent
    I don't hate it, think it has some nice bits[1], very evocative and meaningful ending, but in between, there's some mush I'd've cut out. Needless gratuitous Bond girl sex scene (though Gemma's the cats meow, and I'd see it again just for her). Needless gratuitous Bond girl death scene. Silly nonsense of Bond evading MI6 goons, only to circle round and whisper something to M. Leiter's involvement being to tell Bond he has about 15 seconds (WTF? how would he know that?). The death knell for me was the nonsense of bailing out of an airplane, strugging with a 'chute on the way down, and then --thud!-- landing relatively unharmed on the ground. I literally whispered "WTF?" in the theatre; I thought we were back to CGI invisible cars, surfing tsunamis, laser beam watches, etc, and so soon after CR was pretty

    The thing of going back to Mathis, who holds a ginormous grudge, was interesting. The "Can I make a suggestion? You people need to meet in less public places" thing during TOSCA (one of my favorite operas) was very nice, Fleming-esque even.

    I don't "hate" the film. I just don't wish to see it again.

    [1] As Pauline Kael once famously said of a film, "Nice beads, but it doesn't make a necklace"
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Why does everyone hate Quantum of Solace ?

    Because it exists. :))

    Some like it some Don't, No One will change their minds. :#

    We will be arguing Forever. :))
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  • raptors_887raptors_887 CanadaPosts: 215MI6 Agent
    Because it looks and feels like a Jason Bourne movie. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that director had never seen a Bond movie before making QoS.
    1: Casino Royale 2: Goldeneye 3: Skyfall 4: Octopussy 5: Goldfinger 6: Tomorrow Never Dies 7: The World Is Not Enough 8: The Living Daylights 9: From Russia With Love 10: The Spy Who Loved Me
  • davidelliott101davidelliott101 Posts: 165MI6 Agent
    raptors_887 wrote:
    Because it looks and feels like a Jason Bourne movie. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that director had never seen a Bond movie before making QoS.

    I feel the opposite.. it feels like a formula James Bond film from yesteryear. Also as the shortest Bond film, it's a good quick one to watch.

    To me it feels like Casino Royale was supposed to be 107 minutes longer and they lopped that 107 minutes off and released it 2 years later.

    No hate here. Except for the theme song. Hideous
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,868Chief of Staff
    davidelliott101 wrote:

    No hate here. Except for the theme song. Hideous

    +1. Should have been http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAHu_ZKWcCQ
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Paul 1300 wrote:
    I would have preferred if he had caught up with Mr White
    Bond killed him, but they didn't use it.
    http://jamesbond.wikia.com/wiki/Mr._White
    (it's near the bottom)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,757Chief of Staff
    Barbel wrote:
    davidelliott101 wrote:

    No hate here. Except for the theme song. Hideous

    +1. Should have been http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAHu_ZKWcCQ

    Slapped bottoms all round...its a fantastic theme song ! ;%
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  • LastRatStandingLastRatStanding ScotlandPosts: 296MI6 Agent
    When I first seen QoS I was indeed somewhat disappointed but after watching it over and over I've really come to appreciate it. Once you accept it for what it is there is A LOT of good in it!
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    LastRatStanding wrote:
    Once you accept it for what it is there is A LOT of good in it!
    It's better than most Bonds IMO. -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • lordofthejimmylordofthejimmy New YorkPosts: 34MI6 Agent
    I made an entire video review on why I consider this my least favorite Bond film:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTx4qhMI3ps
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  • raptors_887raptors_887 CanadaPosts: 215MI6 Agent
    davidelliott101 wrote:
    raptors_887 wrote:
    Because it looks and feels like a Jason Bourne movie. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that director had never seen a Bond movie before making QoS.

    I feel the opposite.. it feels like a formula James Bond film from yesteryear. Also as the shortest Bond film, it's a good quick one to watch.

    To me it feels like Casino Royale was supposed to be 107 minutes longer and they lopped that 107 minutes off and released it 2 years later.

    No hate here. Except for the theme song. Hideous

    Its so much different from Casino Royale though. Casino Royale is a smart movie filled with suspense and plot twists. Quantum of Solace is just a regular action movie where they happen to call the main character 'James Bond'.
    1: Casino Royale 2: Goldeneye 3: Skyfall 4: Octopussy 5: Goldfinger 6: Tomorrow Never Dies 7: The World Is Not Enough 8: The Living Daylights 9: From Russia With Love 10: The Spy Who Loved Me
  • NeverSayDieNeverSayDie Posts: 495MI6 Agent
    Here's my list:
    Camera work is truely terrible. Wobbeley cam makes it really difficult to see what's going on. Compare to Skyfall where they do their best to keep the camera still (listen to the SF dir. commenatry).

    Editing is much worse. Complete mess. Some really strange edits. Between the girls legs. The shot of Mathis girlfriend before cutting to the plane. Strange.

    The stupid fonts that introduce each country.

    The title song. There is an alternative on YouTube that is 1000000 times better.
    http://youtu.be/zg2dXY9TOKA

    Weak villain with poor motivation.

    It was during the writers strike. Only the lead actor (DC) and the director (MF)
    were allowed to make changes. I read in an interview that even DC thinks they messed up.

    The seduction of Fields was terrible.

    After Casino Royale (not just one of my fave Bond films but one if my fave films of all time)
    it was massive let down. Thank god for Skyfall!

    * Films are completely subjective that's the beauty of them. There is no right and wrong answers. I still watch QoS because its a Bond film, like I watch the Phantom Menace as its a Star Wars film. :-)
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  • Moore ThanMoore Than EnglandPosts: 3,173MI6 Agent
    Quantum of Solace is not one of my favourite's. I am not a fan of things such as the title song, quick cut editing style, bad taste moments like the attempted rape scene and Bond dumping Mathis' body in the skip, and the killing of Slate is too graphic. On the other hand, I really do like the opera, hotel, and Russia scenes, all worthy of any Bond film.
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    edited February 2013
    Moore Than wrote:
    Quantum of Solace is not one of my favourite's. I am not a fan of things such as the title song, quick cut editing style, bad taste moments like the attempted rape scene and Bond dumping Mathis' body in the skip, and the killing of Slate is too graphic. On the other hand, I really do like the opera, hotel, and Russia scenes, all worthy of any Bond film.

    Yes, you've rather hit on many of the distasteful moments - especially the Mathis skip scene and the graphic killing of Slate. I do like the opening song, though - it has a Lulu TMWTGG song nostalgic quality to it! I'm not a QoS hater by any means - I think, despite its flaws, it's a good, if untypical James Bond film!
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • RogueAgent007RogueAgent007 Corn-fed central USPosts: 154MI6 Agent
    I agree with the QoS haters. (No surprises, i know) The only movie besides Bourne #2 to make me motion sick in a theatre. Had no way to follow any action scenes. Nonexistent plot, nonexistent villain, nonexistent Bond. I've said it before, felt like they took all the action scenes they clipped from CR and stitched them together to try and get another Bond out quick.
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent007 wrote:
    I agree with the QoS haters. (No surprises, i know) The only movie besides Bourne #2 to make me motion sick in a theatre. Had no way to follow any action scenes. Nonexistent plot, nonexistent villain, nonexistent Bond. I've said it before, felt like they took all the action scenes they clipped from CR and stitched them together to try and get another Bond out quick.

    Perhaps there's a LALD-TMWTGG 1973-74 vibe going on here - a very nteresting theory on the rushed nature of QoS as a follow-up to CR, nontheless!
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,868Chief of Staff
    NeverSayDie wrote:
    The title song. There is an alternative on YouTube that is 1000000 times better.
    http://youtu.be/zg2dXY9TOKA

    Yes, that is a million times better- but "No Good About Goodbye" is better still!

    (More bottom slapping, Sir Miles, please!) :D
  • Distorted HumorDistorted Humor Posts: 66MI6 Agent
    I think that QoS is a deeply flawed movie, and its the one bond film I never enjoyed.

    Some of my issues for me.

    - I don't mind quick cuts, but QoS is so bad its hard to follow, though I like longer cuts.
    - Bond regressed, part of the charm of CR is that bond goes from just being little more then a thug to the start of a man with some charm and humor. QoS goes back to him just being a thug, almost a terminator.
    - The lack of a real plot. I mean, Moonraker is silly, but it had a plot.
    - its just a mess of a film, apparently, the writers strike really put a kipper in it.
    1 - GE, 2 - DN, 3 - CR, 4 - GF, 5 - FYEO, 6 - TLD, 7 - SF, 8 - FRWL, 9 - LALD, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - LTK, 12 - OP, 13 - YOLT, 14 - TB, 15 - MR, 16 - TWINE, 17 - OHMSS, 18 - TND, 19 - DAD, 20 - TMWTGG, 21 - AVTAK, 22 - DAF, 23 - QoS
  • NeverSayDieNeverSayDie Posts: 495MI6 Agent
    Distorted Humor wrote:
    - The lack of a real plot. I mean, Moonraker is silly, but it had a plot.

    Yep, Moonraker is Shakespere compared to QoS
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  • Moore ThanMoore Than EnglandPosts: 3,173MI6 Agent
    NeverSayDie wrote:
    Distorted Humor wrote:
    - The lack of a real plot. I mean, Moonraker is silly, but it had a plot.

    Yep, Moonraker is Shakespere compared to QoS

    "Now is the winter of our discontent, which appears with the tedious inevitability of an unloved season." :D
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  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    ChromeJob wrote:
    I don't hate it, think it has some nice bits[1], very evocative and meaningful ending, but in between, there's some mush I'd've cut out. Needless gratuitous Bond girl sex scene (though Gemma's the cats meow, and I'd see it again just for her). Needless gratuitous Bond girl death scene. Silly nonsense of Bond evading MI6 goons, only to circle round and whisper something to M. Leiter's involvement being to tell Bond he has about 15 seconds (WTF? how would he know that?). The death knell for me was the nonsense of bailing out of an airplane, strugging with a 'chute on the way down, and then --thud!-- landing relatively unharmed on the ground. I literally whispered "WTF?" in the theatre; I thought we were back to CGI invisible cars, surfing tsunamis, laser beam watches, etc, and so soon after CR was pretty

    The thing of going back to Mathis, who holds a ginormous grudge, was interesting. The "Can I make a suggestion? You people need to meet in less public places" thing during TOSCA (one of my favorite operas) was very nice, Fleming-esque even.

    I don't "hate" the film. I just don't wish to see it again.

    [1] As Pauline Kael once famously said of a film, "Nice beads, but it doesn't make a necklace"

    Having been skydiving, I thought the freefall part was done very well - it was their landing where they missed the mark. I've watched it several times and if they had only had him open the chute a few seconds earlier so that it was almost totally open and would have made them hit with less force I would have bought the scene. With that they would have been stunned and winded for a bit instead of knocked out (and if you get knocked out for that long from a fall it usually means you've had a bad head injury).

    I also liked bits of the movie, but after seeing it was obvious the writing was
    rushed and not polished with enough rewrites and the poor editing in the action scenes just made it worse. That kind of editing only manages to confuse a viewer as to what is going on rather than increase the feeling of danger or stress. Full blame goes to the editor and director on that one.
    The other problem with the film was the total lack of humor. There were a few
    small moments - Bond's first dialogue with Mathis and then with Fields, but that was it. It left the overall tone of the film with a rather dour, grim pall over
    it for me. It's one of the reasons I have difficulty watching it.
  • always shakenalways shaken LondonPosts: 6,287MI6 Agent
    Well i like it
    By the way, did I tell you, I was "Mad"?
  • NeverSayDieNeverSayDie Posts: 495MI6 Agent
    Moore Than wrote:
    NeverSayDie wrote:
    Distorted Humor wrote:
    - The lack of a real plot. I mean, Moonraker is silly, but it had a plot.

    Yep, Moonraker is Shakespere compared to QoS

    "Now is the winter of our discontent, which appears with the tedious inevitability of an unloved season." :D

    Oh very good. -{
    I'm now officially in the Moore Than fan club. :))
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  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    My mini-break down for QOS:

    Bond himself - Decent
    Villain - Forgettable
    Girl - Forgettable
    Action - OK but rather fast
    Script - OK
    Story - Confusing/Vague
    PTS - Poor
    Theme Song - A horrendous abomination

    Overall... I rank QOS fairly low, but that doesn't mean I don't get enjoyment out of it. To me, it's a decent enough bond film, but just lacks many ingredients that make bond bond
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    My mini-break down for QOS:
    Girl - Forgettable
    SERIOUSLY???? :o
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,868Chief of Staff
    Jarvio wrote:
    Theme Song - A horrendous abomination

    SERIOUSLY!!!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
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    Why So Serious ? :))
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