Was George Lazenby's James Bond a casualty of the Hippy Revolution?

Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,871MI6 Agent
edited May 2016 in The James Bond Films
Was George Lazenby's James Bond a casualty of the Hippy Revolution? - he said as much in an interview in a 1996 television broadcast - that he was advised that the conservative character of James Bond had no future in the counter-culture movement of the 1960s Hippy Revolution - flower power, The Summer of Love and flowers in guns, "Peace, Man" etc. He was told that he was going down with a sinking ship, that he had made his big name as James Bond and that was all that mattered - something that he later regretted, of course! He stated that he wished he had went on to make another Bond film (presumably DAF). If only he hadn't heeded this very bad advice!

Sebastian Faulks' Devil May Care (2008) references this anti-Bond background - drugs/Rolling Stones/heroin/long hair/1967 etc.

The Harpies 1960s Daily Express cartoon strip also references this hippy scene.

See this article here for more details on George Lazenby and the Hippy Revolution:

http://movies.yahoo....-220348935.html

As someone wrote (Philip Larkin?) - it was a blessing in disguise that Ian Fleming didn't live to write about Bond in the post-1964 world of the Beatles, The Stones, Charles Manson's Helter Skelter gang, drugs, mass immigration from the colonies, Rastafarians in London, race wars, drugs, The Summer of Love, free love, Carnaby Street, the progressive Harold Wilson Labour Govt. etc. - abortion, homosexuality decriminalised, divorce made easier etc.

Wonder what Old Ian would have made of this type of Britain of the late 1960s and early 1970s?

What is the George Lazenby fan consensus on this one?

I consider OHMSS the best James Bond film ever made, so y'all know where I stand on this one.
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  • DutchfingerDutchfinger Holland With LovePosts: 1,240MI6 Agent
    In Everything or Nothing the untold story he also said that he was advised this way... The spy craze was over, and supposidly there was no more place for Bond... However he started to grow his hair and grow a beard to a big opening. Apparantly EON eventually fired him because of his attitude.
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    What he said was pretty spot on IMO, that the series at that time was of the old guard with steadily declining viewership and cultural relevance that was just enough to keep it profitable, until it became terminal up to the reboot. Lazenby was just unwise to assume that his assessment was already at the 11th hour but otherwise he could have had the stature, success and respect of a Roger Moore who earned that (vs. not being an actor before Bond), or possibly even more :))

    Look how EON reacted with the reboot; in the early 70's it would have been inconceivable to have a Get Carter-like Bond and yet that's what we have now to satiate today's appetite for video games and gangster culture.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    superado wrote:
    in the early 70's it would have been inconceivable to have a Get Carter-like Bond and yet that's what we have now to satiate today's appetite for video games and gangster culture.
    Are you saying that Bond is now a totally blunt instrument?
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  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    Maybe it's because I got two and a half hours of sleep, but only when a Bond actor expresses no emotion at anything EXCEPT for the dialogue "Bond kill!", "Bond screw!", and "Bond blow up!" will Bond become a TOTALLY blunt instrument. :))
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  • Nick37Nick37 Posts: 270MI6 Agent
    I think George Lazenby was a casualty of himself. I know his agent advised him of all of the above, but really, I feel like Lazenby shot himself in both feet. Number one, he landed one of the biggest roles in British film history and walked from it. So what if your agent is advising you it won't last. What were his other offers? He'd done nothing to that point except television commercials, and like it or not, most of his performance in OHMSS is merely serviceable. He's excellent in the final scenes, but only par for most of the rest of the film. I just don't know how you can justify leaving a role like that because your agent says it won't last. Ok, well, I'm guaranteed money if I continue, so instead of just riding the wave as long as I can, why don't I abandon it, because I'm sure there's no chance at all my agent could be wrong.

    Second of all, the rumor is that when he left, Cubby Broccoli basically told him he'd never be successful again. I'm not sure if that's true, but I do know that I wouldn't consider him a movie star. So in addition to making the boneheaded move of abandoning the role, he pissed off one of the biggest franchise heads in Britain, and even if Cubby didn't do anything, I'm sure future casting directors would remember that this is the guy who signed a seven picture deal to be James Bond, then walked after one film. I don't know if I'd take the risk.

    Lazenby's an alright Bond. My least favorite, but I like him. However, I just can't fathom his decision making process. If someone thrust the role of James Bond on me, with no acting experience, I'd play the farking role for free. It was a terrible move on his part, and he's paid the price for it for the last 44 years.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    I have to agree with Nick 37 on this.
    Dana Broccoliy spoke about that party where he felt insulted, because nobody explicitely invited him - "the star" - to it and Cubbys reply to this.

    I have also met people in Asia who did not say many good things about him when he was there with Bruce Lee - so it seems a bit, that he tended to make the wrong decisions pretty stubborn.
    And yes, he paid for it and still is!

    However he was Bond in my favorite movie and I'd have loved to see him in one or 2 more -{

    As for Cubby using his influence in the industry against him - I doubt that that's true.
    He may have told him, that after turning down the role his professional future was not bright but threatenting someone who refuses a good offer does not sound very much like him
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    superado wrote:
    in the early 70's it would have been inconceivable to have a Get Carter-like Bond and yet that's what we have now to satiate today's appetite for video games and gangster culture.
    Are you saying that Bond is now a totally blunt instrument?

    I say, "yes," but you make it sound like a bad thing :))
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  • 72897289 Beau DesertPosts: 1,691MI6 Agent
    I've always suspected that Peter Hunt help sink Lazenby.

    The horrible clothing - turtlenecks, a frilly tux and a kilt? Being dubbed in a third of the film .... being sent girls, to see if he was gay? Not to mention a title sequence full of clips from SC films, it seems to me that someone had it in for ol' George.

    In the end though, I'm sure Lazenby sunk his own boat with a combination of hubris and very bad advice. Too bad as I'm sure he could have pulled it off in future films.
  • LazenbyfanLazenbyfan USAPosts: 53MI6 Agent
    7289 wrote:
    In the end though, I'm sure Lazenby sunk his own boat with a combination of hubris and very bad advice.

    That's pretty much the bottom line. He'd tell you as much.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,489MI6 Agent
    I can see it both ways. You can see why you might think Bond was at the end. Times had changed. And Lazenby would have been getting loads of offers then, you do when you're a big shot in a big film. Of course, they later dried up.

    Now suppose he'd walked away from DAF - with the script as it would turn out to be with Connery? Would you still say, wow, what a douchebag?
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    I can see it both ways. You can see why you might think Bond was at the end. Times had changed. And Lazenby would have been getting loads of offers then, you do when you're a big shot in a big film. Of course, they later dried up.

    Now suppose he'd walked away from DAF - with the script as it would turn out to be with Connery? Would you still say, wow, what a douchebag?

    If he walked away from DAF like he did for OHMSS, unlike what happened to Dalton whose contract expired, I still would have thought he was a douchebag. However, it would be interesting to see how they would have done DAF, like, would they have kept Hunt or at least build up on OHMSS' tone with a new director? I think the script for DAF became what it was not only to accommodate Connery's return, but for that life-cycle stage of his portrayal and of course, his age. In a strange way, all those changes compounded with the fact that he was going to Vegas, determined that lighter and funner rendition he did, coming home to the Rat Pack crowd. Otherwise, had Lazenby continued I don't think the script would have remotely resembled what it became and for the matter, they probably would not have hired Tom Mankiewicz to help out with the script and hence, less camp.
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  • BIG TAMBIG TAM Wrexham, North Wales, UK.Posts: 773MI6 Agent
    Lazenby's taking bad advice from Ronan O'Rahilly is well documented. Though I like George's performance, he often gives the impression of being non-plussed about the Bond bandwagon. In fact he seems to have been more keen on using the 007 role as a springboard to pull copious ladies rather than as a career path. I'm sure he had plenty of time to rethink his stance.
    As for OHMSS's perceived failure in financial terms, we shouldn't view it in isolation of other large films of the period. Poor old George got the brunt of it but in truth the age of the blockbuster was dwindling with several big budget affairs failing to find audiences between 1968 & 1970. This passion for low budget pictures seemed to even out by 1971, coinciding with the Bond camp's decision to ditch Fleming's thrills in favour of more light-hearted Bond fare. That's my view anyway.
  • LastRatStandingLastRatStanding ScotlandPosts: 296MI6 Agent
    I like Lazenby and I whole heartedly believe that he played a better performance in OHMSS than Connery would have. On top of this, OHMSS is the only Bond film with a stand alone Bond actor and, like it or not, it's lucky to be - it stands out more, it sits on it's own throne (above pretty much every other bond film I might add) and it benefits from a new Bond actor. However Lazenby is also very lucky to have landed such a film as OHMSS, for example, Connery could have left after OHMSS and Lazenby hired for DAF, and good lord, that would have been truly awful. If people call Lazenby a bad bond in OHMSS then god knows what people would say about him if he was in DAF. DAF was bad enough with Connery in it.

    However, after reading and seeing a lot about Lazenby throughout the years he certainly, at least at the time, came across as big headed, smug, stubborn and generally just a nuisance - however much we can appreciate his performance. All the stories about him thinking he was a bigger star than he actually was are solely down to him not managing the situation properly himself. There are so many actors out there who, if given the honour of playing Bond would take it as a great compliment and act at the very least somewhat grateful - as opposed to just going off the rails. Lazenby came across as though when he got the job he WAS Bond, not just an actor playing Bond. The complete opposite of Cubby's view that Bond is bigger than the actor who plays him and I can only assume that when Cubby was looking at Lazenby acting this way about his position, he was somewhat annoyed with his attitude.

    Despite this, Lazenby was almost 100% new to the business and being told at such a stage in his career that he was making a bad decision to stay with Bond must have been a very serious thing to him. Obviously being new the business and getting advice from someone with much more experience and knowledge couldn't go ignored. This in conjuction with the hippy movement must have injected fear into Lazenby as to what to do. On top of that, turning up to the premiere with a beard was frowned upon by Cubby - which IMO is stupid. Cubby really didn't have any say in what George looked like while he wasnt working and, with a man as self confident as Lazenby, wasn't a good move.

    I'd have loved to have seen Lazenby in a few more Bond movies but I must admit that being in just the one really makes it even more special. I feel the same way about Daltons 2. They are the only 2 bonds in my view who have a 100% record in Bond films that are actually really good.
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    BIG TAM wrote:
    Lazenby's taking bad advice from Ronan O'Rahilly is well documented. Though I like George's performance, he often gives the impression of being non-plussed about the Bond bandwagon. In fact he seems to have been more keen on using the 007 role as a springboard to pull copious ladies rather than as a career path. I'm sure he had plenty of time to rethink his stance.

    Yep, I've always seen that as a tragic, momentarily slip into stupidity. For regular people like me, past mistakes and missteps become clear only in hindsight, like estimating which grocery queue to get into, but with George, all the things in play, all the things that would guarantee professional success and personal security were all there staring him in the face and he forks it up! It's like tearing up a winning a 10-mil lottery ticket thinking, "na, I'll get a better one soon... "

    I can understand it if you were a sleazy casting agent trying to parlay the nature of your work to get some action, but to do that as the star of the current hottest movie franchise, with the willingness to chuck even that because you think that's holding you back from better fulfilling your full potential? I sometimes wish for his sake I can time travel and give him some sobering slaps and can feel for him for how that mistake must still be haunting and gnawing at his throughts for all these years.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,489MI6 Agent

    However, after reading and seeing a lot about Lazenby throughout the years he certainly, at least at the time, came across as big headed, smug, stubborn and generally just a nuisance...

    Australian in other words! :D {:) :#
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  • LastRatStandingLastRatStanding ScotlandPosts: 296MI6 Agent

    However, after reading and seeing a lot about Lazenby throughout the years he certainly, at least at the time, came across as big headed, smug, stubborn and generally just a nuisance...

    Australian in other words! :D {:) :#

    Maybe not being british was the curse. It would be interesting if another non-brit became Bond for 1 movie too. New theory perhaps!
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  • Nick37Nick37 Posts: 270MI6 Agent
    "Maybe not being british was the curse. It would be interesting if another non-brit became Bond for 1 movie too. New theory perhaps!"


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  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    Immaturity. Insecurity. Hubris. Youth.

    Not very complicated.
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  • ausbondfanausbondfan Posts: 61MI6 Agent
    I'm a huge fan of George Lazenby he is my 4th favorite Bond (I put him after Moore, Connery and Craig. That's saying a lot since he only did 1 movie.

    As for his decisions. I'd say at the time the advice from his agent was good advice. He was offered a 7 movie deal but imagine if Lazenby does sign for 7 movies (About 14 years) and the Bond series dies in 1973 because nobody thinks Bond is cool anymore and he's stuck doing low budget Bond films for the next 10 years of his life making no money and watching the twilight of his career go down the toilet.

    Obviously it didn't go down that way but from the outside looking in it could have. His Agent was probably receiving offers worldwide for big projects because Lazenby was James Bond at the time. His Agent probably said something like "I can get you 3 million dollars for a movie in China plus 5% of the gross" and when the Bond franchise is offering half that it's easy to walk.

    The wise thing would of been to of signed to the next 2 in the series which would of been Diamonds Are Forever (Which wouldn't of been good with Lazenby) and Live and Let Die (Which probably would of been at least above average) but who knows if a 2 picture deal was on offer? They probably wanted to lock him into 7 films and not many people would take a chance on the series.

    As for his arrogance that has to be understandable. He's this young guy who has been an international model for years and then receives the role of James Bond in arguably the best film they had available (At least at the time) of course he's going to get a huge head over that.

    Lazenby's story is amazing though if you read into it. He finishes up with Bond buys an expensive boat and goes sailing for 14 months or whatever it was. Comes back does the film Universal Soldier which bombs (His second mistake) he then get the lead in a decent film called "Who Saw Her Die?" but it had a 1 million dollar budget and that was it. From there his career crashes and he's doing TV Shows and has to move back to Australia and in with mum. He then turns it all around later and saves his finances but his career was done basically after Universal Soldier (At least as a leading man)

    I think people in general are rough on him though. As he always says "I didn't know what it would become" and there was the massive chance that Lazenby could of signed on for 7 films and killed the series completely and be known as the guy that killed the series.

    It is an interesting "What if?" though. If he had done 7 after OHMSS he would of got Diamonds Are Forever, Live And Let Die, The Man With The Golden Gun, The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, For Your Eyes Only and Octopussy. At that point he probably would of been young enough still to do A View To A Kill and maybe even The Living Daylights and License To Kill and could of retired at 50 for either Brosnan or Dalton to take over. Surely if this had happened he would of been a massive star and maybe just as big as Connery.
  • RogueAgent007RogueAgent007 Corn-fed central USPosts: 154MI6 Agent
    Maybe it's because I got two and a half hours of sleep, but only when a Bond actor expresses no emotion at anything EXCEPT for the dialogue "Bond kill!", "Bond screw!", and "Bond blow up!" will Bond become a TOTALLY blunt instrument. :))

    that's what we've got now. :D

    I think Lazenby was sabotaged, too. Audiences weren't ready for that movie. It was too much change at once. New Bond, getting married, less action, Sir Hillary. It was too much for the fans to accept at the time.
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,871MI6 Agent
    Maybe it's because I got two and a half hours of sleep, but only when a Bond actor expresses no emotion at anything EXCEPT for the dialogue "Bond kill!", "Bond screw!", and "Bond blow up!" will Bond become a TOTALLY blunt instrument. :))

    that's what we've got now. :D

    I think Lazenby was sabotaged, too. Audiences weren't ready for that movie. It was too much change at once. New Bond, getting married, less action, Sir Hillary. It was too much for the fans to accept at the time.

    Yes, poor George was a victim of the times - a prototype Daniel Craig, only even moreso. :)
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