The Barbour Commander AW13 Dept (B)

mrgatsby

At this point this should be seperated from the Tokito lodge jacket.

What I know is this: Barbour is promoting this as it's Skyfall jacket, due out between the end of July and early September.
As far as the actuall accurate recreation goes regarding the SA button placement we'll have to wait and see.
They have plenty of time to get it all right.
I ordered one from Onward Reserve at 729.00 USD then got an additional 10% off of that price for subscribing to their website..
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PointfiveO

Barbour UK have just confirmed via email after I queried button placement on this jacket that the version that will ship in the summer as part of AW13 will be this version. So the buttons aren't SA, oh well.

drugtest

Does that mean that the To Ki To Sports Jacket is a Limited Edition again? -{

kadd

PointfiveO wrote:

Barbour UK have just confirmed via email after I queried button placement on this jacket that the version that will ship in the summer as part of AW13 will be this version. So the buttons aren't SA, oh well.

I wonder if this is why they released some Tokito's with non SA button placement. Barbour admitted this was a mistake to me when I swapped my non SA jacket for a SA one. Maybe there was some kind of mix-up with the designs of the Tokito and the Commander?

So maybe the non-SA Tokito's are a hybrid between a SA Tokito and the Commander. Therefore the non-SA Tokito's are the limited editions as they are an error?!

drugtest

Just to further muddy the waters, don't the buttons look properly spaced in the pictures that NorthShieldsTwo posted in the Lodge jacket thread? Bewildering.

TheExit148

drugtest wrote:

Just to further muddy the waters, don't the buttons look properly spaced in the pictures that NorthShieldsTwo posted in the Lodge jacket thread? Bewildering.

Yes they do. And to add also, looks like Stuarts of London removed the To Ki To reference, and moved the jacket under "Barbour", and added the Dept B info.

welshboy78

Easy **** up I suppose but enough to annoy us geeks

VinnyMac

welshboy78 wrote:

Easy **** up I suppose but enough to annoy us geeks

I see. I wouldn't have expected this to be such a big issue. Barbour didn't know who they were dealing with. I guess that it's better to have fellow members who nitpick than those who are lackluster.

welshboy78

On the plus side - DC doesnt use the bottom button

thelordflasheart

Interestingly, the body seems less loose at the bottom than the Tokitos. I wonder if this version will fit looser in the shoulders/tighter at the bottom than the original version.

PPK packer

I'm actually glad they're bringing this jacket out. I may retire my Tokito to the closet, held in reserve for special occasions, and sport one of these Dept. B's on a daily bases.

I'll wait and see what the general sense is once they've hit the market.

mrgatsby

PPK packer wrote:

I'm actually glad they're bringing this jacket out. I may retire my Tokito to the closet, held in reserve for special occasions, and sport one of these Dept. B's on a daily bases.

I'll wait and see what the general sense is once they've hit the market.

For the money I expect this jacket to be every bit as nice as the Tokito..

Sh4unH

What's the view on the Dept B version - will it be as desirable as the Tokito ltd

Been trying to get a Tokito heritage , but ebay prices are rocketing esp. for SA versions and am thinking of swapping my efforts to. The AW13 commander

Having said that most of the stockists for AW13 Commander are now listing these as waiting list only - so will they only be available after release and on secondary market

Would appreciate the wisdom of those who've been chasing these things longer than me

S

mrgatsby wrote:

At this point this should be seperated from the Tokito lodge jacket.

What I know is this: Barbour is promoting this as it's Skyfall jacket, due out between the end of July and early September.
As far as the actuall accurate recreation goes regarding the SA button placement we'll have to wait and see.
They have plenty of time to get it all right.
I ordered one from Onward Reserve at 729.00 USD then got an additional 10% off of that price for subscribing to their website..
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mrgatsby

Sh4unH wrote:

What's the view on the Dept B version - will it be as desirable as the Tokito ltd

Been trying to get a Tokito heritage , but ebay prices are rocketing esp. for SA versions and am thinking of swapping my efforts to. The AW13 commander

Having said that most of the stockists for AW13 Commander are now listing these as waiting list only - so will they only be available after release and on secondary market

Would appreciate the wisdom of those who've been chasing these things longer than me

S

S,
I'm sure they will be available through Barbour and all of their distributors, but they won't be shipping till late July in the UK and September in the states.

mrgatsby wrote:

At this point this should be seperated from the Tokito lodge jacket.

What I know is this: Barbour is promoting this as it's Skyfall jacket, due out between the end of July and early September.
As far as the actuall accurate recreation goes regarding the SA button placement we'll have to wait and see.
They have plenty of time to get it all right.
I ordered one from Onward Reserve at 729.00 USD then got an additional 10% off of that price for subscribing to their website..
-{

Sh4unH

Thanks for that info.

Do you think they will be as sought after as the tokito ltd ?

S

mrgatsby wrote:

Sh4unH wrote:

What's the view on the Dept B version - will it be as desirable as the Tokito ltd

Been trying to get a Tokito heritage , but ebay prices are rocketing esp. for SA versions and am thinking of swapping my efforts to. The AW13 commander

Having said that most of the stockists for AW13 Commander are now listing these as waiting list only - so will they only be available after release and on secondary market

Would appreciate the wisdom of those who've been chasing these things longer than me

S

S,
I'm sure they will be available through Barbour and all of their distributors, but they won't be shipping till late July in the UK and September in the states.

mrgatsby wrote:

At this point this should be seperated from the Tokito lodge jacket.

What I know is this: Barbour is promoting this as it's Skyfall jacket, due out between the end of July and early September.
As far as the actuall accurate recreation goes regarding the SA button placement we'll have to wait and see.
They have plenty of time to get it all right.
I ordered one from Onward Reserve at 729.00 USD then got an additional 10% off of that price for subscribing to their website..
-{

mrgatsby

Sh4unH wrote:

Thanks for that info.

Do you think they will be as sought after as the tokito ltd ?

S

mrgatsby wrote:

Sh4unH wrote:

What's the view on the Dept B version - will it be as desirable as the Tokito ltd

Been trying to get a Tokito heritage , but ebay prices are rocketing esp. for SA versions and am thinking of swapping my efforts to. The AW13 commander

Having said that most of the stockists for AW13 Commander are now listing these as waiting list only - so will they only be available after release and on secondary market

Would appreciate the wisdom of those who've been chasing these things longer than me

S

S,
I'm sure they will be available through Barbour and all of their distributors, but they won't be shipping till late July in the UK and September in the states.

Yes, By all the Bond nuts here and around the world. )

Asp9mm

Sh4unH wrote:

Thanks for that info.

Do you think they will be as sought after as the tokito ltd ?

S

No, as they won't be as screen accurate. The original screen accurate versions will always be more sought after. That's not to say the new ones won't be in high demand though.

Sh4unH

Least I know I'm not alone Then !!

S

mrgatsby wrote:

Sh4unH wrote:

Thanks for that info.

Do you think they will be as sought after as the tokito ltd ?

S

Yes, By all the Bond nuts here and around the world. )

Sh4unH

Dear Asp9mm

When I saw the first images - elsewhere on this site http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/40859/the-barbour-commander-aw13-dept-b/ - I could see what you mean esp. buttons not SA

But Barbour are claiming its meant to be more SA - and recent post - http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/38733/skyfall-lodge-jacket/page/67/ seems to suggest buttons are SA and fit is more DC

But I guess it will have "Barbour Dept B" logo/branding

Its just a bit confusing as to knowing whether to spend on ebay for the Tokito or get the AW13 ? - maybe they're just different beasts

S

Asp9mm wrote:

Sh4unH wrote:

Thanks for that info.

Do you think they will be as sought after as the tokito ltd ?

S

No, as they won't be as screen accurate. The original screen accurate versions will always be more sought after. That's not to say the new ones won't be in high demand though.

Asp9mm

Sh4unH wrote:

Dear Asp9mm

When I saw the first images - elsewhere on this site http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/40859/the-barbour-commander-aw13-dept-b/ - I could see what you mean esp. buttons not SA

But Barbour are claiming its meant to be more SA - and recent post - http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/38733/skyfall-lodge-jacket/page/67/ seems to suggest buttons are SA and fit is more DC

But I guess it will have "Barbour Dept B" logo/branding

Its just a bit confusing as to knowing whether to spend on ebay for the Tokito or get the AW13 ? - maybe they're just different beasts

S

I never mentioned the buttons. I was talking about all the other differences - the lack of ToKito branding, the pocket embroidered logo is different, the hood patch is missing and internal labelling will also be different. The new coat won't have quite a few details the original has.

Barbour can't make the new coat more screen accurate than the original Tokito as it was the original Tokito they used on screen. To claim it will be better fitting than the original is false. How can you make a more accurate version than the one used But as it happens, Barbour aren't claiming it will be more SA, but that it will be more SKYFALL-like in that it won't come with the hood/hood buttons as standard. The fit will be exactly the same as the original.

But while we are talking about the buttons. The new coat won't be screen accurate there either. I checked with them....

http://www.stuartslondon.com/coats-jackets-c23/jackets-c25/barbour-clothing-barbour-dept-b-commander-jacket-mwx0007-ol71-dept-b-p6679

Not that it matters, the SA button spacing looks odd to me anyway. My old Tokito had even spacing, but my new one has the odd spacing. Both M's too.

If you want the Bond look and want to wear it, get the new one. If you want uber screen accuracy, then you have to get the original and mod it. Depends what you want out of your coat and what it's worth to you.

Sh4unH

hi, Asp9mm

Thanks again for such a balanced / informed view, you are surely right about the brain-ache this can induce http://www.ajb007.co.uk/img/smilies/ajb007/insane.gif

I think I will go for both and see which I like - when It comes down to it, I want to wear it not collect it. And the biggest flaw in me getting the bond look is no-one is ever likely to mistake me for Daniel Craig http://www.ajb007.co.uk/img/smilies/ajb007/frown.gif

Cheers

S

Asp9mm wrote:

Sh4unH wrote:

Dear Asp9mm

When I saw the first images - elsewhere on this site http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/40859/the-barbour-commander-aw13-dept-b/ - I could see what you mean esp. buttons not SA

But Barbour are claiming its meant to be more SA - and recent post - http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/38733/skyfall-lodge-jacket/page/67/ seems to suggest buttons are SA and fit is more DC

But I guess it will have "Barbour Dept B" logo/branding

Its just a bit confusing as to knowing whether to spend on ebay for the Tokito or get the AW13 ? - maybe they're just different beasts

S

I never mentioned the buttons. I was talking about all the other differences - the lack of ToKito branding, the pocket embroidered logo is different, the hood patch is missing and internal labelling will also be different. The new coat won't have quite a few details the original has.

Barbour can't make the new coat more screen accurate than the original Tokito as it was the original Tokito they used on screen. To claim it will be better fitting than the original is false. How can you make a more accurate version than the one used But as it happens, Barbour aren't claiming it will be more SA, but that it will be more SKYFALL-like in that it won't come with the hood/hood buttons as standard. The fit will be exactly the same as the original.

But while we are talking about the buttons. The new coat won't be screen accurate there either. I checked with them....

http://www.stuartslondon.com/coats-jackets-c23/jackets-c25/barbour-clothing-barbour-dept-b-commander-jacket-mwx0007-ol71-dept-b-p6679

Not that it matters, the SA button spacing looks odd to me anyway. My old Tokito had even spacing, but my new one has the odd spacing. Both M's too.

If you want the Bond look and want to wear it, get the new one. If you want uber screen accuracy, then you have to get the original and mod it. Depends what you want out of your coat and what it's worth to you.

Asp9mm

Get the new version then. 99.999999999999% of the population won't know the difference. The new Commander looks great and is as close as damnit.

ke02eww

Asp9mm wrote:

Get the new version then. 99.999999999999% of the population won't know the difference. The new Commander looks great and is as close as damnit.

Man talks sense... As usual...

drugtest

How many people are planning to buy the Commander and then have it tailored to add extra buttons, a zipper, and a hood?

kadd

Sh4unH if you are buying to wear and not collect then I would recommend the new Commander, just because that may be easie to get at retail price. With the tokito it's a bit harder to get and you may be stuck paying eBay prices.

I was lucky enough to get a tokito at cost thanks to members here, but had I missed out I would have waited for the commander. And saved the extra money for another bond item!

B549 WUU

drugtest wrote:

How many people are planning to buy the Commander and then have it tailored to add extra buttons, a zipper, and a hood?

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tvdc51

Does this new jacket really exist? I've seen nothing of it outside of forums and that Stuarts page.

jon_1uk

tvdc51 wrote:

Does this new jacket really exist? I've seen nothing of it outside of forums and that Stuarts page.

its mentioned here

http://www.styleforum.net/t/222059/offical-barbour-thread/1350

TheExit148

With regards to the button issue, it is actually "garment" design specifc for a sports jacket to have the buttons place that close to one another. Here is a comparison to a two-button sports jacket with the Tokito Sports jacket. Since the Tokito is based a sports jacket, that's why the buttons are placed that close together. To me, having the buttons spaced evenly is wrong from a total overall design. The top button is the extra button when it comes to this. It's clear to me that the Tokito is based off a two-button jacket, with the additional buttons added for functionality.

tvdc51

jon_1uk wrote:

tvdc51 wrote:

Does this new jacket really exist? I've seen nothing of it outside of forums and that Stuarts page.

its mentioned here

http://www.styleforum.net/t/222059/offical-barbour-thread/1350

...hmm, another forum.

drugtest

Well, aside from the info we first got from the NorthShieldsTwo commenter (might have the name wrong), there were also the pictures I posted in the original Lodge Jacket thread of the Commander from a Barbour trade catalog.