Another plot hole, Eve thinks she's killed Bond. He does nothing to rectify this, by showing up quick and reporting for duty, no he lets everyone think the worst. Okay, if not a plot hole, nothing reputable in it.
I don't buy into all this, have you seen other Bond films stuff. Craig aims to be a more credible genre. It's like saying, what's wrong with singing and dancing in Schindler's List, The Sound of Music had it and that was set around the same time. Why not have someone escape Auschwitz on a motorbike, you had it in The Great Escape...
I suppose if Craig's CR had had an underwater car, that would be okay because TSWLM had it too.
I always thought the best scene in QOS was the opera scene. It was the only part of the movie that showed any cleverness. Other scenes had promise (the interrogation of Mr. White, the ending), but weren't properly developed. The rest mostly sucked.
I agree on this, love this scene in QoS!!
I love Skyfall and just look over the unrealistic nature of the plot. Hey, it is Bond after all!!
"You are about to wake when you dream that you are dreaming"
Another plot hole, Eve thinks she's killed Bond. He does nothing to rectify this, by showing up quick and reporting for duty, no he lets everyone think the worst. Okay, if not a plot hole, nothing reputable in it.
I don't buy into all this, have you seen other Bond films stuff. Craig aims to be a more credible genre. It's like saying, what's wrong with singing and dancing in Schindler's List, The Sound of Music had it and that was set around the same time. Why not have someone escape Auschwitz on a motorbike, you had it in The Great Escape...
I suppose if Craig's CR had had an underwater car, that would be okay because TSWLM had it too.
Oh, you're just looking for things not to like. Bond had every right to be pissed off. M showed no confidence in him and Eve made a bad shot. Like Mallory said, he every right to "stay dead."
First of all the timeline is all out of date. Judi Dench should never have been in the reboot because she was Brosnans era. If CR, QOS and SF are meant to be before DN then surely in those times it would have been a male M? Why is Felix Lighter and Moneypenny now black/white/black? The Aston Martin in SF is similar to the one from GF but bond hasn't done that mission yet has he? Daniel Craig has done 4 missions as a 00 agent in QOS and now he is too old and past it. We haven't got started yet!
Skyfall is an independent Bond film to CR and QoS. There is no mention anywhere that it comes immediately after QoS. For all we know it is situated anywhere in the timeline. I sort of understand what you mean about Judi Dench being M back before bond was a 00, but I look at it as a modern re-telling of how Bond came to be. The black/white changes of Moneypenny and Felix Leiter mean nothing to anyone so let's just skip right over that.
Second of all the plot makes no sense. Silva relies on sheer luck the whole film. He got an assassin to steal the hard drive (which we never heard about since) and then Bond got shot by Eve who apparently only had one bullet in her gun and no time to reload but enough time to stare at the assassin with guilt trip eyes. Then he assumed bond would find the assassin, take the chip, go to the casino, fight off the bodyguards and NOT DIE, win over his girlfriend, sneak on a boat, escape his trap and call for help. He then assumed Q would plug in the computer to MI6 and assume he would be kept in the same room they had when he was an agent! And in the end where the hell is this hard drive? It was never recovered. That plot was just binned after we find out he has vengance for M! How did Silva also know that M would have a court hearing that day and how could he plan guards being at the train station waiting for him? How did he escape his cell when 2 armed security guards were standing watching him 12 feet away? And the bomb in the train station was detonated when Bond nearly caught him. Did he know he would be nearly caught there? And where the hell does an ex sold out agent get money for super computers, henchmen, boats etc. Did he win the euro millions? It would have made more sense if Quantum funded him.
I always assumed that since Silva could hack into MI6 that he'd have no problem hacking into the tube and train systems. I figured the train (which was an empty one not in use at that time) was sitting idle in the tube above and Silva must have remotely had it start up and begin rolling the moment he showed Bond his radio (he may have pressed the switch before showing it to Bond)- so when he detonated the mine the train was already in motion and headed down the track.
I think everyone can agree that the plot is farfetched. It doesn't spoil the fun for me though, of course, just like all previous farfetched plots haven't in Bond films. I'm not too sure whether I can prove you wrong at all here as this plot IS really complex and unbelievable. The way I see it though is that Silva was controlling the situation the whole time. He hacks MI6 and knows what they are upto. Its more that just assumption on Silva's part. He can see into the computers, so knows that they are looking at the assassin Patrice and know that Bond is being sent after him despite having failed tests. So he can assume from here that Bond - being the agent that he is, will find Patrice. At this point, Silva may have planted the casino chip on Patrice or something, knowing is Bond was to overcome him he would use it as a lead to the next stage. He stations Severine at the casino to wait not knowing whether Bond will show or not. The next part is an interesting bit; I've heard people interpret it in different ways. In the cinema, when Bond guesses Severine's story it comes across as though he has it right - but I think now she was sent to lure him to the island. She tells him what he wants to hear knowing she can't over power him herself and set's a final challenge to him to beat those guards - probably just for more action in the film to be honest. Now, when they arrive on the island and Bond is lead away Severine says "I'm sorry". This could mean 2 things. She's sorry for luring Bond there under Silva's orders, or she's sorry for asking him to come and kill Silva knowing that he may well fail. It makes more sense that she lured him there, but I suppose it could happen the other way. Silva now meets Bond and shows us that he has quick easy access to the MI6 computers. He states he that he can manipulate the stock markets and elections all to the highest bidder - explaining why he is rich. Obviously at this point things get hazy. He kills Severine, supposedly because once he travels to London he can't leave behind anyone who may jeopardize his plan - or of course, because the guards on the Boat tell him she had sex with Bond. Silva GIVES bond a gun, knowing he will jump on this opportunity to lay out the other guards leaving Silva to be caught. Presumably he knows Bond has been equipped with a radio because he seems to have access to anything regarding Bonds mission. And so, Silva is caught.
I know all of that seems unlikely - but wait til you hear the next bit!
Q says to Bond that he knows after the explosion at MI6 that Silva would know they would relocate down into the underground place. A lot of people seem to think that this is a lucky guess. But let's not remember how much access Silva has to the computers. He is hacking them ALL THE TIME, not just the time's where MI6 go "Oh god! He hacked us!". We see in his lair that he can access things all the time undetected, let's not confuse that with when he makes traps over the computers so things can happen. He's probably been sitting all day in that room just looking at what MI6 are upto. He will have seen on their database where the relocation was going to be, AND at some point will have seen something along the lines of - "M won't be available at this time on this date due to her court case". So, from possibly the day M's court case was announced he knew where she was going to be AND where the new MI6 was. This gives him time to plan the next few steps. He obviously has access to the maps of the underground and studies them - he knows Granborough Road station will be empty as it is shut. So he plans a route from MI6 to the court room via the underground. At this point, he knows he will have to escape from wherever he is locked up. We can assume because he sets up the hack to open EVERY DOOR that he doesn't know exactly where he will be kept. He didn't guess he'd be in THAT EXACT CHAMBER in THAT EXACT PLACE. Or surely he would just open the doors he needs so as not to alert as much suspicion and security. Obviously he needs a way of opening these doors, and knows once he is caught that Q branch will attempt to hack his files because he is safely locked up. "Not such a clever boy" suggest that this was just a silly Mistake by Q that Silva has predicted. And so! The doors are open!
This is the bit where things get..well..yeah.
So he runs off down tube station - followed by Bond. We know at this point that Silva can't have had his detonator on him in the cell because he would have obviously been searched. So we know that somewhere down the route from the cell to that ladder, someone has planted the device for him. A few things could explain this. He clearly has people working for him all over london as we find out when he gets the police gear handed to him in the tube. So, and I know this sounds unlikely and is a conclusion that takes a lot of thinking to get to, what is stopping one of Silvas helpers tracking his movements. They obviously knew somehow he was on his way so they could give him his police gear and pick him up in the police car. So, we MUST assume they are tracking his movements and the moment he is out of his high security cell it's time to act. One of them is waiting in the tubes and the moment Silva is on the move, he sets up the bomb and leaves the detonator for Silva to find. Now, whether the train that Bond is nearly hit by is part of the plan is debatable - we'll have to assume it's just unlucky for Bond. The most Silva could know is that he's barred the door Bond will have to get through and that MAYBE a train will come while he's trying to get through. Now, Silva is handed police gear by two imposters, so obviously he has help with him in the tubes. Silva knows where the court case is so is obviously going to get the train there - but how does he know that a train will be leaving exactly when he wants it to be? I can't explain it. I suppose he just got lucky that it was Rush Hour - and, come to think of it, VERY LUCKY that this even happened while the court case was happening. He could probably have pin pointed it to the day - but to the hours where the court case was actaully in session - very lucky. Either way I'm trying my best here! So, he's on the train and Bond is in pursuit. If Silva has people tracking his movements like he must have, there is an imposter who can see he is on his way and sets up the bomb and leaves the detonator behind the door for Silva. Bond sees the door ajar and follows. The imposter is already up the ladder and away to alert the police car that picks Silva up. Silva hangs back a bit so Bond can catch up. BUT Whether they know a train will be coming at that exact time is impossible. I don't think I'll ever come up with an explanation as to HOW they knew the train was coming other than that is was lucky. They would know that trains go along this line very often at rush hour, but to be RIGHT there at the EXACT time MUST have been luck. But Silva's a risk taking guy - so who's to say he wouldn't leave it down to luck. Once they hear the crash, Silvas men know for sure he is on his way and pick him up and take him the court rooms. Once there, they simply take out the security and bust into the room.
AND AFTER ALL THAT - SILVA MISSES. HE HESITATES AND MISSES M. I'd be mad, wouldn't you?
That is the best I can do and there are still plot holes all over the place, but if you think about it it COULD happen. I suppose..
Thirdly why send Bond after Silva? He failed all his tests! He clearly wasn't fit enough and the whole nation was at stake. What if Bond failed? Was M thinking "I'm already screwed so why not eh?" She wouldn't be able to make decisions after the first mission failed she would be suspended posting an investigation would she not? Was 008 and 009 on holiday that week? M and 007 would not have a close trust relationship like she did with Brosnan because Craig is NEW. Just through the door agent who would not have had time (4 missions) to build a chemistry with M. But who knows when this film takes place in the Bond franchise!!! So when M is in danger is it not best to call in OTHER agents, SAS, the army? No let Bond kidnap her and effectively get her killed. Shouldn't he be punished for that? Two men, a woman and three guns against 30 henchmen. Bond can manage that any day if he has too but he never puts himself in those positions.
Oh god. Yes Craig is new..the new ACTOR. New actor, same Bond. He has the trust relationship with M because Bond does. Not Brosnan, not craig - BOND. She trusts him and knows him and sends him after Silva because of this. You go on to say "Who know's when this film takes place in the franchise!!!!" but you said earlier used the fact it was BEFORE all the others as your first reason as to why this film is one of the worst.
Bond has the understanding that Silva is one step ahead of them and decides to isolate them. He gains support from Q, Tanner and Mallory by doing this and presumably after the PM finds out that M is dead Mallory tells him that he was in charge of that decision and that decision lead to the death of the cyber terrorist in question - leading to his election as the new M.
So the agents were leeked and killed, M died and Silva died. Who the hell won? Certainly not MI6 which is why Bond should be hung for what happened. Since Goldeneye (which was the last film Albert "Cubby" Broccoli had any influence over cause he died after it) there hasn't been a DECENT bond film. TND was ok but again it was a pointless plot. TWINE was a bit better but then DAD just ripped the utter crap out off bond. CR was a decent reboot if you look past the flaws in characters and then it was destroyed in credibility by its predecessor QOS. And who makes these? Barbara Broccoli. The one trying to melt the bond image down and mould it all from scratch with Michael Wilson. If Albert saw these films now I think he'd turn in his grave. So honestly I do not see what the big fuss is about this being the "best bond film yet" because as a BOND fan it does not fit the Bond franchise very well I feel.
The big thing about the ending was, that even if the villain is killed, Bond doesn't necessarily 'win'. It's a tough business he is in and these things happen. Not every mission will end with Bond 'winning'.
Also if you had any understanding of QoS at all you'd realise that is actually a very good predecessor of Casino Royale. I suggest you read the thread in the films section called something like 'best Qos review ever' - it's an eye opener. I'm admittedly not a HUGE fan of QoS either but trust me it will help!
I think you are forgetting it's a business. Babs is doing a GREAT job. She's already helped make the biggest grossing film in the UK of all time EVER so she can't be doing that bad. If Cubby was to see that, i'm sure he'd be the proudest father in the world. Not turning in his grave! What a ridiculous thing to say.
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I always assumed that since Silva could hack into MI6 that he'd have no problem hacking into the tube and train systems. I figured the train (which was an empty one not in use at that time) was sitting idle in the tube above and Silva must have remotely had it start up and begin rolling the moment he showed Bond his radio (he may have pressed the switch before showing it to Bond)- so when he detonated the mine the train was already in motion and headed down the track. Also, no one knows how many different schemes Silva had in place. The one he went with in the film may have been a backup and not his original. He had planned on getting M all along and had not meant to get captured, but if he was he had these plans set in place in case he was.
I think that any film can be picked apart. What Skyfall should be remembered for is bringing excitement back to the series after a 4 year layoff! Also it's pretty hard to believe, as a 38 year old life long Bond fan, no matter who your favorite OO7 is that anyone could say Skyfall is the worst Bond!
Well, I never found myself nitpicking the likes of Die Hard, Arnie's Total Recall, Face/Off, Minority Report, even the first Transporter film. Perhaps these would have been better films with a load of plot holes shoved in. 8-)
Okay, last one. In Arnie's Total Recall, how come the brunette that's in his actual dream at the beginning of the movie is the same brunette that's in the "implanted" dream?
Actually I think there was a huge plot hole in Skyfall that I never see mentioned. Silva gets the hard drive and it takes some time for him to decrypt it (took a while for him to figure out that the password was M's birthdate). So, what's MI-6 doing during this time? Just leaving their agents where they are? It seems like they'd have them all extricated within 24 hours. Was there a decision made to see if they could find Silva and the hard drive before the agents were exposed? If so, I missed it.
Another plot hole, Eve thinks she's killed Bond. He does nothing to rectify this, by showing up quick and reporting for duty, no he lets everyone think the worst. Okay, if not a plot hole, nothing reputable in it.
This was clearly addressed in the film, the scene where Bond confronts M in her home 8-)
The movies you don't question contain plotholes as well, you just have to (want to) see them.
I'd say the film with the Biggest "Plot hole " was One Million Years B.C.
Which had humans Fighting dinosaurs ( They had died out, long before
man came along )
Although it has a Bond connection as Raquel Welch was dubbed by
Nikki Van der Zyl, who Dubbed many of the early Bond leading ladies. )
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First of all the timeline is all out of date. Judi Dench should never have been in the reboot because she was Brosnans era. If CR, QOS and SF are meant to be before DN then surely in those times it would have been a male M? Why is Felix Lighter and Moneypenny now black/white/black? The Aston Martin in SF is similar to the one from GF but bond hasn't done that mission yet has he? Daniel Craig has done 4 missions as a 00 agent in QOS and now he is too old and past it. We haven't got started yet!
Skyfall is an independent Bond film to CR and QoS. There is no mention anywhere that it comes immediately after QoS. For all we know it is situated anywhere in the timeline. I sort of understand what you mean about Judi Dench being M back before bond was a 00, but I look at it as a modern re-telling of how Bond came to be. The black/white changes of Moneypenny and Felix Leiter mean nothing to anyone so let's just skip right over that.
Second of all the plot makes no sense. Silva relies on sheer luck the whole film. He got an assassin to steal the hard drive (which we never heard about since) and then Bond got shot by Eve who apparently only had one bullet in her gun and no time to reload but enough time to stare at the assassin with guilt trip eyes. Then he assumed bond would find the assassin, take the chip, go to the casino, fight off the bodyguards and NOT DIE, win over his girlfriend, sneak on a boat, escape his trap and call for help. He then assumed Q would plug in the computer to MI6 and assume he would be kept in the same room they had when he was an agent! And in the end where the hell is this hard drive? It was never recovered. That plot was just binned after we find out he has vengance for M! How did Silva also know that M would have a court hearing that day and how could he plan guards being at the train station waiting for him? How did he escape his cell when 2 armed security guards were standing watching him 12 feet away? And the bomb in the train station was detonated when Bond nearly caught him. Did he know he would be nearly caught there? And where the hell does an ex sold out agent get money for super computers, henchmen, boats etc. Did he win the euro millions? It would have made more sense if Quantum funded him.
I always assumed that since Silva could hack into MI6 that he'd have no problem hacking into the tube and train systems. I figured the train (which was an empty one not in use at that time) was sitting idle in the tube above and Silva must have remotely had it start up and begin rolling the moment he showed Bond his radio (he may have pressed the switch before showing it to Bond)- so when he detonated the mine the train was already in motion and headed down the track.
I think everyone can agree that the plot is farfetched. It doesn't spoil the fun for me though, of course, just like all previous farfetched plots haven't in Bond films. I'm not too sure whether I can prove you wrong at all here as this plot IS really complex and unbelievable. The way I see it though is that Silva was controlling the situation the whole time. He hacks MI6 and knows what they are upto. Its more that just assumption on Silva's part. He can see into the computers, so knows that they are looking at the assassin Patrice and know that Bond is being sent after him despite having failed tests. So he can assume from here that Bond - being the agent that he is, will find Patrice. At this point, Silva may have planted the casino chip on Patrice or something, knowing is Bond was to overcome him he would use it as a lead to the next stage. He stations Severine at the casino to wait not knowing whether Bond will show or not. The next part is an interesting bit; I've heard people interpret it in different ways. In the cinema, when Bond guesses Severine's story it comes across as though he has it right - but I think now she was sent to lure him to the island. She tells him what he wants to hear knowing she can't over power him herself and set's a final challenge to him to beat those guards - probably just for more action in the film to be honest. Now, when they arrive on the island and Bond is lead away Severine says "I'm sorry". This could mean 2 things. She's sorry for luring Bond there under Silva's orders, or she's sorry for asking him to come and kill Silva knowing that he may well fail. It makes more sense that she lured him there, but I suppose it could happen the other way. Silva now meets Bond and shows us that he has quick easy access to the MI6 computers. He states he that he can manipulate the stock markets and elections all to the highest bidder - explaining why he is rich. Obviously at this point things get hazy. He kills Severine, supposedly because once he travels to London he can't leave behind anyone who may jeopardize his plan - or of course, because the guards on the Boat tell him she had sex with Bond. Silva GIVES bond a gun, knowing he will jump on this opportunity to lay out the other guards leaving Silva to be caught. Presumably he knows Bond has been equipped with a radio because he seems to have access to anything regarding Bonds mission. And so, Silva is caught.
I know all of that seems unlikely - but wait til you hear the next bit!
Q says to Bond that he knows after the explosion at MI6 that Silva would know they would relocate down into the underground place. A lot of people seem to think that this is a lucky guess. But let's not remember how much access Silva has to the computers. He is hacking them ALL THE TIME, not just the time's where MI6 go "Oh god! He hacked us!". We see in his lair that he can access things all the time undetected, let's not confuse that with when he makes traps over the computers so things can happen. He's probably been sitting all day in that room just looking at what MI6 are upto. He will have seen on their database where the relocation was going to be, AND at some point will have seen something along the lines of - "M won't be available at this time on this date due to her court case". So, from possibly the day M's court case was announced he knew where she was going to be AND where the new MI6 was. This gives him time to plan the next few steps. He obviously has access to the maps of the underground and studies them - he knows Granborough Road station will be empty as it is shut. So he plans a route from MI6 to the court room via the underground. At this point, he knows he will have to escape from wherever he is locked up. We can assume because he sets up the hack to open EVERY DOOR that he doesn't know exactly where he will be kept. He didn't guess he'd be in THAT EXACT CHAMBER in THAT EXACT PLACE. Or surely he would just open the doors he needs so as not to alert as much suspicion and security. Obviously he needs a way of opening these doors, and knows once he is caught that Q branch will attempt to hack his files because he is safely locked up. "Not such a clever boy" suggest that this was just a silly Mistake by Q that Silva has predicted. And so! The doors are open!
This is the bit where things get..well..yeah.
So he runs off down tube station - followed by Bond. We know at this point that Silva can't have had his detonator on him in the cell because he would have obviously been searched. So we know that somewhere down the route from the cell to that ladder, someone has planted the device for him. A few things could explain this. He clearly has people working for him all over london as we find out when he gets the police gear handed to him in the tube. So, and I know this sounds unlikely and is a conclusion that takes a lot of thinking to get to, what is stopping one of Silvas helpers tracking his movements. They obviously knew somehow he was on his way so they could give him his police gear and pick him up in the police car. So, we MUST assume they are tracking his movements and the moment he is out of his high security cell it's time to act. One of them is waiting in the tubes and the moment Silva is on the move, he sets up the bomb and leaves the detonator for Silva to find. Now, whether the train that Bond is nearly hit by is part of the plan is debatable - we'll have to assume it's just unlucky for Bond. The most Silva could know is that he's barred the door Bond will have to get through and that MAYBE a train will come while he's trying to get through. Now, Silva is handed police gear by two imposters, so obviously he has help with him in the tubes. Silva knows where the court case is so is obviously going to get the train there - but how does he know that a train will be leaving exactly when he wants it to be? I can't explain it. I suppose he just got lucky that it was Rush Hour - and, come to think of it, VERY LUCKY that this even happened while the court case was happening. He could probably have pin pointed it to the day - but to the hours where the court case was actaully in session - very lucky. Either way I'm trying my best here! So, he's on the train and Bond is in pursuit. If Silva has people tracking his movements like he must have, there is an imposter who can see he is on his way and sets up the bomb and leaves the detonator behind the door for Silva. Bond sees the door ajar and follows. The imposter is already up the ladder and away to alert the police car that picks Silva up. Silva hangs back a bit so Bond can catch up. BUT Whether they know a train will be coming at that exact time is impossible. I don't think I'll ever come up with an explanation as to HOW they knew the train was coming other than that is was lucky. They would know that trains go along this line very often at rush hour, but to be RIGHT there at the EXACT time MUST have been luck. But Silva's a risk taking guy - so who's to say he wouldn't leave it down to luck. Once they hear the crash, Silvas men know for sure he is on his way and pick him up and take him the court rooms. Once there, they simply take out the security and bust into the room.
AND AFTER ALL THAT - SILVA MISSES. HE HESITATES AND MISSES M. I'd be mad, wouldn't you?
That is the best I can do and there are still plot holes all over the place, but if you think about it it COULD happen. I suppose..
Thirdly why send Bond after Silva? He failed all his tests! He clearly wasn't fit enough and the whole nation was at stake. What if Bond failed? Was M thinking "I'm already screwed so why not eh?" She wouldn't be able to make decisions after the first mission failed she would be suspended posting an investigation would she not? Was 008 and 009 on holiday that week? M and 007 would not have a close trust relationship like she did with Brosnan because Craig is NEW. Just through the door agent who would not have had time (4 missions) to build a chemistry with M. But who knows when this film takes place in the Bond franchise!!! So when M is in danger is it not best to call in OTHER agents, SAS, the army? No let Bond kidnap her and effectively get her killed. Shouldn't he be punished for that? Two men, a woman and three guns against 30 henchmen. Bond can manage that any day if he has too but he never puts himself in those positions.
Oh god. Yes Craig is new..the new ACTOR. New actor, same Bond. He has the trust relationship with M because Bond does. Not Brosnan, not craig - BOND. She trusts him and knows him and sends him after Silva because of this. You go on to say "Who know's when this film takes place in the franchise!!!!" but you said earlier used the fact it was BEFORE all the others as your first reason as to why this film is one of the worst.
Bond has the understanding that Silva is one step ahead of them and decides to isolate them. He gains support from Q, Tanner and Mallory by doing this and presumably after the PM finds out that M is dead Mallory tells him that he was in charge of that decision and that decision lead to the death of the cyber terrorist in question - leading to his election as the new M.
So the agents were leeked and killed, M died and Silva died. Who the hell won? Certainly not MI6 which is why Bond should be hung for what happened. Since Goldeneye (which was the last film Albert "Cubby" Broccoli had any influence over cause he died after it) there hasn't been a DECENT bond film. TND was ok but again it was a pointless plot. TWINE was a bit better but then DAD just ripped the utter crap out off bond. CR was a decent reboot if you look past the flaws in characters and then it was destroyed in credibility by its predecessor QOS. And who makes these? Barbara Broccoli. The one trying to melt the bond image down and mould it all from scratch with Michael Wilson. If Albert saw these films now I think he'd turn in his grave. So honestly I do not see what the big fuss is about this being the "best bond film yet" because as a BOND fan it does not fit the Bond franchise very well I feel.
The big thing about the ending was, that even if the villain is killed, Bond doesn't necessarily 'win'. It's a tough business he is in and these things happen. Not every mission will end with Bond 'winning'.
Also if you had any understanding of QoS at all you'd realise that is actually a very good predecessor of Casino Royale. I suggest you read the thread in the films section called something like 'best Qos review ever' - it's an eye opener. I'm admittedly not a HUGE fan of QoS either but trust me it will help!
I think you are forgetting it's a business. Babs is doing a GREAT job. She's already helped make the biggest grossing film in the UK of all time EVER so she can't be doing that bad. If Cubby was to see that, i'm sure he'd be the proudest father in the world. Not turning in his grave! What a ridiculous thing to say.
Also, welcome to AJB! -{
I always assumed that since Silva could hack into MI6 that he'd have no problem hacking into the tube and train systems. I figured the train (which was an empty one not in use at that time) was sitting idle in the tube above and Silva must have remotely had it start up and begin rolling the moment he showed Bond his radio (he may have pressed the switch before showing it to Bond)- so when he detonated the mine the train was already in motion and headed down the track. Also, no one knows how many different schemes Silva had in place. The one he went with in the film may have been a backup and not his original. He had planned on getting M all along and had not meant to get captured, but if he was he had these plans set in place in case he was.
Very Interesting! Perhaps you are right! It would certainly leave less down to sheer luck!
Another plot hole, Eve thinks she's killed Bond. He does nothing to rectify this, by showing up quick and reporting for duty, no he lets everyone think the worst. Okay, if not a plot hole, nothing reputable in it.
This was clearly addressed in the film, the scene where Bond confronts M in her home 8-)
The movies you don't question contain plotholes as well, you just have to (want to) see them.
Are you mad?
How is it addressed? Bond shows up at M's place after taking time out to hit the beach, bang a few broads, sulk and so on. It's not stated how long this is, but seeing as his flat has been sold and his possessions disposed of at Skyfall, it could be a good few weeks, at least.
So that's a good few weeks of not reporting for duty, and letting Eve think he's dead. Nice!
As for those weblinks to Die Hard, rubbish! As stated, they are mostly not plotholes, they are continuity errors of the kind no one is ever going to notice, especially if they're caught up in the movie, as most people are.
But honestly, with both you and Gala Brand, no wonder you like SF, I mean I've heard of check your brain at the foyer - you two wouldn't need to!
It's hilarious that there is such a big issue on plot holes and suspension of belief dealing with Skyfall... how about all the other Bond films?!?!? Going into space in Moonraker... A huge tanker that swallows subs in TSWLM... A villains secret base is a hollowed out volcano in YOLT... do I need to go on? Skyfall isn't perfect, but it's pretty entertaining. It's also JUST A MOVIE!!!
exactley well said davidelliott101 ive said this before on the factualness of Bond films
they are movies not fly on the wall documentries they are there to entertain and make the film companies pots of cash
they are not made for the benefit of letting us into the every day workings of the secret service ect
if i want to find out the ins and outs of technical /factual stuff i will go to the libary
if i want to sit and be entertained i will wack a Bond film in the old dvd player,
Those films are a different genre. MR is clearly and different kind of film to FRWL. If FRWL had ended with a gondola hovercraft, yeah, it would suck, but in MR it kinda works.
You may as well say, why not have kids breaking into song in Schindler's List, after all, they did it in The Sound of Music, and that's set around the same time, WW2.
SF, and the Craig era, pitched itself as grittier and more realistic than all that stuff, and let's face it, it's a grim and generally fun free film. Funnily enough, while MR certainly isn't to everyone's taste, I don't find myself noticing any plot holes while watching it (though a few are there).
Ok here is my script for the REAL Skyfall, realistic and no plot holes to satisfy you miserable gits
PTS - Bond jumps in Land Rover driven by Eve chasing Patrice in an Audi thru the middle of Istanbul. Bond gets stuck in a traffic jam (ever driven thru Istanbul?) and Patrice gets away with the hard drive.
Unfortunately Bond does not get to become a beach bum in Turkey and instead M hauls his arse back to HQ for a bollocking.
A Helicopter crashes into HQ - has bugger all to do with silva.
Intelligence suggests Patrice is due in Shanghai, Bond gets out on the next flight with Eve.
Unfortunately Bond gets the wrong end of the stick and when Eve assists Bond to shave his beard he unbuttons her blouse. Eve calls him a slimy pervert, slaps his face and files an official complaint of sexual harassment / assault. Bond is flown back to England and suspended from work until further notice.
Silva unleashes the identities of all the secret agents on the world wide web whilst Bond spends his time doing DIY at a large Manor in the middle of nowhere pondering wether to apply for a job at ASDA.
In the real world Bond fans go nuts demanding the return of the invisible car....
well we all agree we all have different views opinions on the various bond films
we all see different aspects of each film ,wich is great ,wouldnt ajb007 be boring if we all agreed
on everything the site would be dull as ditch water ,keep the different views comming guys
its what makes us human
Ok here is my script for the REAL Skyfall, realistic and no plot holes to satisfy you miserable gits
PTS - Bond jumps in Land Rover driven by Eve chasing Patrice in an Audi thru the middle of Istanbul. Bond gets stuck in a traffic jam (ever driven thru Istanbul?) and Patrice gets away with the hard drive.
Unfortunately Bond does not get to become a beach bum in Turkey and instead M hauls his arse back to HQ for a bollocking.
A Helicopter crashes into HQ - has bugger all to do with silva.
Intelligence suggests Patrice is due in Shanghai, Bond gets out on the next flight with Eve.
Unfortunately Bond gets the wrong end of the stick and when Eve assists Bond to shave his beard he unbuttons her blouse. Eve calls him a slimy pervert, slaps his face and files an official complaint of sexual harassment / assault. Bond is flown back to England and suspended from work until further notice.
Silva unleashes the identities of all the secret agents on the world wide web whilst Bond spends his time doing DIY at a large Manor in the middle of nowhere pondering wether to apply for a job at ASDA.
In the real world Bond fans go nuts demanding the return of the invisible car....
This has to be one of the BEST posts I have EVER read! :-D
well we all agree we all have different views opinions on the various bond films
we all see different aspects of each film ,wich is great ,wouldnt ajb007 be boring if we all agreed
on everything the site would be dull as ditch water ,keep the different views comming guys
its what makes us human
Agreed, and I'm happy to 'agree to disagree' with the people who don't like Skyfall!
Unfortunately some of them seem to want to convince everyone that Skyfall is a bad movie, no matter what... Hey, a 7,9 rating on IMDB and over a billion $ in the box office can't be that wrong.
Unfortunately some of them seem to want to convince everyone that Skyfall is a bad movie, no matter what... Hey, a 7,9 rating on IMDB and over a billion $ in the box office can't be that wrong.
I don't think anyone is trying to convince others of anything, for that would be an almost impossible task unless one has an open mind. I think to an extent, we've all formed a rather unshakeable view about Skyfall.
It's not a question of right and wrong, it's a question of opinion. I don't care what the IMDb rating says, nor do I give two hoots about the box office takings. Going against that doesn't make one's opinion "wrong", so if by quoting IMDb ratings and box office takings, you're implying that people who don't think much of Skyfall is somehow "wrong", then I couldn't disagree more.
For the record, I think Skyfall is a bloody good film, but it's far from the "best ever", despite its highest ever box office takings. Others are quite entitled to believe that Skyfall is "one of the worst Bond films".
For the record, I think Skyfall is a bloody good film, but it's far from the "best ever", despite its highest ever box office takings. Others are quite entitled to believe that Skyfall is "one of the worst Bond films".
Agreed, definitely not the best ever. If one thinks it's even the worst ever, fine! However, the non-likers claim it's full of plotholes, Craig can't act etc. etc. If it was truely rubbish, it wouldn't have made a load of money though, the audience would've stayed away.
As a matter of fact, I dislike Avatar and Titanic, the two top earning movies ever.... They're just not my cup of tea, but they're hardly rubbish.
Agreed, definitely not the best ever. If one thinks it's even the worst ever, fine! However, the non-likers claim it's full of plotholes, Craig can't act etc. etc.
Some say From Russia With Love is boring and slow, and that Connery only ever plays Connery on screen. They're entitled to that opinion.
If it was truely rubbish, it wouldn't have made a load of money though, the audience would've stayed away.
I think what's "rubbish" and what's not is a matter of personal - and not public - opinion. As far as I'm concerned, box office takings and IMDb ratings are completely irrelevant to the question of which are "good" Bond films. Everyone's going to have a different view.
Another plot hole, Eve thinks she's killed Bond. He does nothing to rectify this, by showing up quick and reporting for duty, no he lets everyone think the worst. Okay, if not a plot hole, nothing reputable in it.
This was clearly addressed in the film, the scene where Bond confronts M in her home 8-)
The movies you don't question contain plotholes as well, you just have to (want to) see them.
Are you mad?
How is it addressed? Bond shows up at M's place after taking time out to hit the beach, bang a few broads, sulk and so on. It's not stated how long this is, but seeing as his flat has been sold and his possessions disposed of at Skyfall, it could be a good few weeks, at least.
So that's a good few weeks of not reporting for duty, and letting Eve think he's dead. Nice!
As for those weblinks to Die Hard, rubbish! As stated, they are mostly not plotholes, they are continuity errors of the kind no one is ever going to notice, especially if they're caught up in the movie, as most people are.
But honestly, with both you and Gala Brand, no wonder you like SF, I mean I've heard of check your brain at the foyer - you two wouldn't need to!
Looking around for my brain . . . know I left here somewhere . . . oh, here it is. I was going to post many more plot holes in your favorite films, but I was ordered to cease and desist. BTW Die Hard is one of my favorite films. It's almost as good as Casino Royale.
Come along now, Nap. Of course the Craig Bond films are being touted as grittier and more realistic than the typical Moore or Brosnan Bond film. And they are. But that doesn't mean that they are totally realistic and that everything that happens is absolutely plausible. Let's face it - the whole notion of a "secret" agent acting the way Bond does is pretty ludicrous on its face. After all, Bond appears to be fairly well-known and hardly acting surreptitiously. All the incredible shoot-outs, the motor vehicle chases through public streets without regard to the safety of innocent bystanders, the fights atop trains, rooftops, cranes, bridges, etc. It's ALL fantasy and I submit that it would be pretty easy to poke plot holes in every Bond film (as well as the Die Hards, Faceoffs, and other action-adventure films that many of us enjoy.) My point is, yes Skyfall is a different type of Bond film than say Moonraker or Die Another Day or even License to Kill, but it's not a different "genre" - it's still a spy fantasy movie, not a documentary. That's not to say that whopping plot holes might not be more noticeable or annoying in a film that purports to be realistic, but I don't think that's the point of ANY Bond film.
Those films are a different genre. MR is clearly and different kind of film to FRWL. If FRWL had ended with a gondola hovercraft, yeah, it would suck, but in MR it kinda works.
You may as well say, why not have kids breaking into song in Schindler's List, after all, they did it in The Sound of Music, and that's set around the same time, WW2.
SF, and the Craig era, pitched itself as grittier and more realistic than all that stuff, and let's face it, it's a grim and generally fun free film. Funnily enough, while MR certainly isn't to everyone's taste, I don't find myself noticing any plot holes while watching it (though a few are there).
Besides watching a few Bond movies with my dad when I was a kid (and too young to pay attention), Skyfall was the first one that I watched. I always thought of James Bond as an old-school character with old-school concepts. Over the years, when a new Bond movie released, I just blew it off.
My dad's still a big Jame Bond fan, so he and my mom went to see Skyfall, and they love it so much that they wanted to see it again. I went along with them the second time for the sake of comradery, and I was pleasantly surprised. The fact that in recent years I've become more interested in men's style probably helped to kill the "old-school" image.
Since then, I've watched all 3 Daniel Craig era Bond movies, and I've enjoyed them all. If the worst film in the series can inspire that, then it can't be that bad. -{
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I don't buy into all this, have you seen other Bond films stuff. Craig aims to be a more credible genre. It's like saying, what's wrong with singing and dancing in Schindler's List, The Sound of Music had it and that was set around the same time. Why not have someone escape Auschwitz on a motorbike, you had it in The Great Escape...
I suppose if Craig's CR had had an underwater car, that would be okay because TSWLM had it too.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
I agree on this, love this scene in QoS!!
I love Skyfall and just look over the unrealistic nature of the plot. Hey, it is Bond after all!!
Oh, you're just looking for things not to like. Bond had every right to be pissed off. M showed no confidence in him and Eve made a bad shot. Like Mallory said, he every right to "stay dead."
I always assumed that since Silva could hack into MI6 that he'd have no problem hacking into the tube and train systems. I figured the train (which was an empty one not in use at that time) was sitting idle in the tube above and Silva must have remotely had it start up and begin rolling the moment he showed Bond his radio (he may have pressed the switch before showing it to Bond)- so when he detonated the mine the train was already in motion and headed down the track. Also, no one knows how many different schemes Silva had in place. The one he went with in the film may have been a backup and not his original. He had planned on getting M all along and had not meant to get captured, but if he was he had these plans set in place in case he was.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
http://diehardnews.tripod.com/diehardnews/id1.html
http://alexpeak.com/art/films/mr/plothole/
being done to some of my favourite films.
http://movieplotholes.com/minority-report.html
Actually I think there was a huge plot hole in Skyfall that I never see mentioned. Silva gets the hard drive and it takes some time for him to decrypt it (took a while for him to figure out that the password was M's birthdate). So, what's MI-6 doing during this time? Just leaving their agents where they are? It seems like they'd have them all extricated within 24 hours. Was there a decision made to see if they could find Silva and the hard drive before the agents were exposed? If so, I missed it.
This was clearly addressed in the film, the scene where Bond confronts M in her home 8-)
The movies you don't question contain plotholes as well, you just have to (want to) see them.
Which had humans Fighting dinosaurs ( They had died out, long before
man came along )
Although it has a Bond connection as Raquel Welch was dubbed by
Nikki Van der Zyl, who Dubbed many of the early Bond leading ladies.
Very Interesting! Perhaps you are right! It would certainly leave less down to sheer luck!
Are you mad?
How is it addressed? Bond shows up at M's place after taking time out to hit the beach, bang a few broads, sulk and so on. It's not stated how long this is, but seeing as his flat has been sold and his possessions disposed of at Skyfall, it could be a good few weeks, at least.
So that's a good few weeks of not reporting for duty, and letting Eve think he's dead. Nice!
As for those weblinks to Die Hard, rubbish! As stated, they are mostly not plotholes, they are continuity errors of the kind no one is ever going to notice, especially if they're caught up in the movie, as most people are.
But honestly, with both you and Gala Brand, no wonder you like SF, I mean I've heard of check your brain at the foyer - you two wouldn't need to!
Roger Moore 1927-2017
they are movies not fly on the wall documentries they are there to entertain and make the film companies pots of cash
they are not made for the benefit of letting us into the every day workings of the secret service ect
if i want to find out the ins and outs of technical /factual stuff i will go to the libary
if i want to sit and be entertained i will wack a Bond film in the old dvd player,
Those films are a different genre. MR is clearly and different kind of film to FRWL. If FRWL had ended with a gondola hovercraft, yeah, it would suck, but in MR it kinda works.
You may as well say, why not have kids breaking into song in Schindler's List, after all, they did it in The Sound of Music, and that's set around the same time, WW2.
SF, and the Craig era, pitched itself as grittier and more realistic than all that stuff, and let's face it, it's a grim and generally fun free film. Funnily enough, while MR certainly isn't to everyone's taste, I don't find myself noticing any plot holes while watching it (though a few are there).
Roger Moore 1927-2017
PTS - Bond jumps in Land Rover driven by Eve chasing Patrice in an Audi thru the middle of Istanbul. Bond gets stuck in a traffic jam (ever driven thru Istanbul?) and Patrice gets away with the hard drive.
Unfortunately Bond does not get to become a beach bum in Turkey and instead M hauls his arse back to HQ for a bollocking.
A Helicopter crashes into HQ - has bugger all to do with silva.
Intelligence suggests Patrice is due in Shanghai, Bond gets out on the next flight with Eve.
Unfortunately Bond gets the wrong end of the stick and when Eve assists Bond to shave his beard he unbuttons her blouse. Eve calls him a slimy pervert, slaps his face and files an official complaint of sexual harassment / assault. Bond is flown back to England and suspended from work until further notice.
Silva unleashes the identities of all the secret agents on the world wide web whilst Bond spends his time doing DIY at a large Manor in the middle of nowhere pondering wether to apply for a job at ASDA.
In the real world Bond fans go nuts demanding the return of the invisible car....
we all see different aspects of each film ,wich is great ,wouldnt ajb007 be boring if we all agreed
on everything the site would be dull as ditch water ,keep the different views comming guys
its what makes us human
This has to be one of the BEST posts I have EVER read! :-D
Agreed, and I'm happy to 'agree to disagree' with the people who don't like Skyfall!
Unfortunately some of them seem to want to convince everyone that Skyfall is a bad movie, no matter what... Hey, a 7,9 rating on IMDB and over a billion $ in the box office can't be that wrong.
I don't think anyone is trying to convince others of anything, for that would be an almost impossible task unless one has an open mind. I think to an extent, we've all formed a rather unshakeable view about Skyfall.
It's not a question of right and wrong, it's a question of opinion. I don't care what the IMDb rating says, nor do I give two hoots about the box office takings. Going against that doesn't make one's opinion "wrong", so if by quoting IMDb ratings and box office takings, you're implying that people who don't think much of Skyfall is somehow "wrong", then I couldn't disagree more.
For the record, I think Skyfall is a bloody good film, but it's far from the "best ever", despite its highest ever box office takings. Others are quite entitled to believe that Skyfall is "one of the worst Bond films".
Agreed, definitely not the best ever. If one thinks it's even the worst ever, fine! However, the non-likers claim it's full of plotholes, Craig can't act etc. etc. If it was truely rubbish, it wouldn't have made a load of money though, the audience would've stayed away.
As a matter of fact, I dislike Avatar and Titanic, the two top earning movies ever.... They're just not my cup of tea, but they're hardly rubbish.
Some say From Russia With Love is boring and slow, and that Connery only ever plays Connery on screen. They're entitled to that opinion.
I think what's "rubbish" and what's not is a matter of personal - and not public - opinion. As far as I'm concerned, box office takings and IMDb ratings are completely irrelevant to the question of which are "good" Bond films. Everyone's going to have a different view.
Looking around for my brain . . . know I left here somewhere . . . oh, here it is. I was going to post many more plot holes in your favorite films, but I was ordered to cease and desist. BTW Die Hard is one of my favorite films. It's almost as good as Casino Royale.
My dad's still a big Jame Bond fan, so he and my mom went to see Skyfall, and they love it so much that they wanted to see it again. I went along with them the second time for the sake of comradery, and I was pleasantly surprised. The fact that in recent years I've become more interested in men's style probably helped to kill the "old-school" image.
Since then, I've watched all 3 Daniel Craig era Bond movies, and I've enjoyed them all. If the worst film in the series can inspire that, then it can't be that bad. -{