Detail shots of the Tom Ford Istanbul suit ??

MFisher

Anyone have any good detail photos of the Tom Ford istanbul suit ? Visited a local tailor today and having one made.. but wanted some good detail photos of minor details.. side adjusters on the pants, pockets, etc... tried searching around but no luck.. anyone... pleeease

drum007

Here's one:

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article819578.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/EXCLUSIVE+SUNDAY+MIRROR+ONLY:+Daniel+Craig+and+Naomi+Haris+film+a+stunt+scene+for+bond+23+'Skyfall'+in+Istanbul,+Turkey

Search google images. There's loads.

VinnyMac

That looks like a pretty standard steel grey suit. How much will your tailor charge? Will it fully canvassed?...multiple fittings?

MFisher

Its actually not grey.. its a "sharkskin" pattern which is a tiny repetitive pattern of light and dark step like weave which gives the optical illusion of middle grey.... I had looked at Magnoli and Baron Boutique... Baron being cheaper but the photos of the Skyfall suit on his site just do not appear right... looks like a cheaper suit.. Magnoil's looks good, but I was hesitant about sending off measurements and hoping it turns out right... whereas with a local shop I can be custom measured... and they are also doing all of the pick stitching details, working cuff buttons etc... I have found good reference photos of the way the side adjusters are done on the Ford suit pants as they are unique in shape... turnaround is 4 weeks.. the price with tax is right under what Magnoli charges if you upgrade to hand stitching and finer material.. (total was $630) but again I am working directly with the tailor.. and he has been doing this for close to 30 years.. so I am hopeful it is worth the money.. if successful I plan on ordering the charcoal pinstripe when I pick up the Istanbul sharkskin.. will advise results when it is in hand..

VinnyMac

MFisher wrote:

Its actually not grey.. its a "sharkskin" pattern which is a tiny repetitive pattern of light and dark step like weave which gives the optical illusion of middle grey.... I had looked at Magnoli and Baron Boutique... Baron being cheaper but the photos of the Skyfall suit on his site just do not appear right... looks like a cheaper suit.. Magnoil's looks good, but I was hesitant about sending off measurements and hoping it turns out right... whereas with a local shop I can be custom measured... and they are also doing all of the pick stitching details, working cuff buttons etc... I have found good reference photos of the way the side adjusters are done on the Ford suit pants as they are unique in shape... turnaround is 4 weeks.. the price with tax is right under what Magnoli charges if you upgrade to hand stitching and finer material.. (total was $630) but again I am working directly with the tailor.. and he has been doing this for close to 30 years.. so I am hopeful it is worth the money.. if successful I plan on ordering the charcoal pinstripe when I pick up the Istanbul sharkskin.. will advise results when it is in hand..

That's the pattern (like herringbone), not the color. There's a such thing as grey sharkskin. I have two blue sharkskin suits.

I agree about the Magnoli comment. I've ordered online mtm suits/overcoats before. Some of them are VERY good, but Magnoli's measurement process leaves too much room for error. Which measurements are body measurements? Which are garment measurements? I haven't been able to get a clear answer to that. When you're dealing with online mtm, those types of uncertainties are a big no-no.

If you can get the suit made for about the same price, then go for it. Chances are that the quality will be at least as good (if not better), and the fit should be much more precise. Not to mention, you'll be able to build familiarity with the tailor for any future purchases that you make. I'll bet that it will turn out well -{

Matt S

The colour is black and white pick-and-pick, better known as sharkskin. It looks like medium grey, but there's no grey in it. Magnoli and Baron Boutique get a few things wrong in their replicas. They didn't notice that the pockets are slightly slanted. They also got the lapel wrong and roll it to the middle button. The lapel isn't cut to roll over the top button, however because Craig's suit jacket is so tight the lapel is pulled over the top button. When the jacket is unbuttoned all three buttons are visible.

Hold Command

This suit has not looked worse than it does in that photo, please get yours tailored to fit you and not a schoolboy.

kadd

Hold Command wrote:

This suit has not looked worse than it does in that photo, please get yours tailored to fit you and not a schoolboy.

Just curious about what's wrong with it?

I'm no suit expert and the photo looked ok to me. I know people have commented on how tight DC's suits were in Skyfall, but must admit I couldn't really see it myself...

thelordflasheart

kadd wrote:

Hold Command wrote:

This suit has not looked worse than it does in that photo, please get yours tailored to fit you and not a schoolboy.

Just curious about what's wrong with it?

I'm no suit expert and the photo looked ok to me. I know people have commented on how tight DC's suits were in Skyfall, but must admit I couldn't really see it myself...

The SF suits are quite divisive - some people think they look exceptionally sharp, some people think that they are an insult to men's suits. Surprisingly strong emotional reactions among some people.

As for the replicas, having looked at the photos of both Magnoli's and Baron Boutique's I think BB's look better. I know that one poster here got the BB in charcoal pinstripes and it looked great on him. My understanding is that you can ask for (small) changes to the suits so either site may be willing to change the slant of the pockets for you, for instance.

Falcone

Why not just buy the whole Acne Wall St suit, adding the jacket to the pants seen in the Shanghai scene.
I did, and it´s one of my best fitting suits, very very similar to the suit in the Turkey scenes.
Personally I would´nt be caught dead wearing anything described as replica/copy/fake/aftermarket...

Here´s the TomFord Turkey and the full Acne Wall St Shark Grey suit in comparison ;

Matt S

That photo of Daniel Craig's suit above shows one of the suits made for the action sequences, which is a size larger than what they used for non-action shots. Thus that suit fits better and not like it's fitted for a school boy. But it still has the serious problem of the collar standing away from the neck. The acne suit jacket looks even worse than the other suit jackets in Skyfall, being far too short. If the jacket doesn't cover your bum it's too short. Daniel Craig's suits in Skyfall also did not cover his bum.

Falcone

Matt S wrote:

That photo of Daniel Craig's suit above shows one of the suits made for the action sequences, which is a size larger than what they used for non-action shots. Thus that suit fits better and not like it's fitted for a school boy. But it still has the serious problem of the collar standing away from the neck. The acne suit jacket looks even worse than the other suit jackets in Skyfall, being far too short. If the jacket doesn't cover your bum it's too short. Daniel Craig's suits in Skyfall also did not cover his bum.

Thankfully my Acne Wall St suit doesn´t show my bum, probably because I´m not so young, tall and skinny like the models often shown wearing that suit
Shows that if you can´t have the suit measured then at least try before buy.

Personally I prefer the more modern shorter suit jackets on Daniel Craig partly because he´s athletic built, compare to the longer 1970s jackets on Roger Moore

Hold Command

Matt S wrote:

That photo of Daniel Craig's suit above shows one of the suits made for the action sequences, which is a size larger than what they used for non-action shots. Thus that suit fits better and not like it's fitted for a school boy. But it still has the serious problem of the collar standing away from the neck. The acne suit jacket looks even worse than the other suit jackets in Skyfall, being far too short. If the jacket doesn't cover your bum it's too short. Daniel Craig's suits in Skyfall also did not cover his bum.

So it's like me, a 38-40R suit wearer, going into H and M and buying a skinny suit a size larger?

I'm sorry it just looks awful.

Hold Command

thelordflasheart wrote:

kadd wrote:

Hold Command wrote:

This suit has not looked worse than it does in that photo, please get yours tailored to fit you and not a schoolboy.

Just curious about what's wrong with it?

I'm no suit expert and the photo looked ok to me. I know people have commented on how tight DC's suits were in Skyfall, but must admit I couldn't really see it myself...

The SF suits are quite divisive - some people think they look exceptionally sharp, some people think that they are an insult to men's suits. Surprisingly strong emotional reactions among some people.

As for the replicas, having looked at the photos of both Magnoli's and Baron Boutique's I think BB's look better. I know that one poster here got the BB in charcoal pinstripes and it looked great on him. My understanding is that you can ask for (small) changes to the suits so either site may be willing to change the slant of the pockets for you, for instance.

They are indeed decisive! Bond's look is a major part of the character, both literary and on screen.

I feel let down by the costume designer for SF, though no doubt DC was a major influence, so much effort to make a character who should blend in STAND OUT!

VinnyMac

Matt S wrote:

The colour is black and white pick-and-pick, better known as sharkskin. It looks like medium grey, but there's no grey in it. Magnoli and Baron Boutique get a few things wrong in their replicas. They didn't notice that the pockets are slightly slanted. They also got the lapel wrong and roll it to the middle button. The lapel isn't cut to roll over the top button, however because Craig's suit jacket is so tight the lapel is pulled over the top button. When the jacket is unbuttoned all three buttons are visible.

Isn't grey a combination of black and white? We're splitting hairs. Technically, if you could get a close enough look at any piece of grey fabric, you'd see black and white. In this case, the size of the black and white stitches and the way that they're combined to create grey is called "sharkskin." That's not the important part though. OP, good luck with getting your dream suit.

MFisher

Personally I would´nt be caught dead wearing anything described as replica/copy/fake/aftermarket...

yeah... but on a Police Sergeant's salary I don't see me buying any Tom Ford suits in the near future... the rest of us have to make adjustments..

The Bond Vivant

Here is a link to my photos of the actual materials:

http://ajb007.co.uk/post/550330/#p550330

Blair

VinnyMac wrote:

Matt S wrote:

The colour is black and white pick-and-pick, better known as sharkskin. It looks like medium grey, but there's no grey in it. Magnoli and Baron Boutique get a few things wrong in their replicas. They didn't notice that the pockets are slightly slanted. They also got the lapel wrong and roll it to the middle button. The lapel isn't cut to roll over the top button, however because Craig's suit jacket is so tight the lapel is pulled over the top button. When the jacket is unbuttoned all three buttons are visible.

Isn't grey a combination of black and white? We're splitting hairs. Technically, if you could get a close enough look at any piece of grey fabric, you'd see black and white. In this case, the size of the black and white stitches and the way that they're combined to create grey is called "sharkskin." That's not the important part though. OP, good luck with getting your dream suit.

Matt S

VinnyMac wrote:

Matt S wrote:

The colour is black and white pick-and-pick, better known as sharkskin. It looks like medium grey, but there's no grey in it. Magnoli and Baron Boutique get a few things wrong in their replicas. They didn't notice that the pockets are slightly slanted. They also got the lapel wrong and roll it to the middle button. The lapel isn't cut to roll over the top button, however because Craig's suit jacket is so tight the lapel is pulled over the top button. When the jacket is unbuttoned all three buttons are visible.

Isn't grey a combination of black and white? We're splitting hairs. Technically, if you could get a close enough look at any piece of grey fabric, you'd see black and white. In this case, the size of the black and white stitches and the way that they're combined to create grey is called "sharkskin." That's not the important part though. OP, good luck with getting your dream suit.

It's still a big difference from a solid grey suit. I have solid grey suits that are just grey and I have a black and white pick and pick suit. They are clearly different. I also have a black and white birdseye suit that's made up of black and white yarns and looks solid grey from a distance. Still, it's a different cloth. If he's looking to copy that suit, a basic mid grey isn't the same thing. If the cloth isn't important in copying the suit, what is?

Matt S

Hold Command wrote:

Matt S wrote:

That photo of Daniel Craig's suit above shows one of the suits made for the action sequences, which is a size larger than what they used for non-action shots. Thus that suit fits better and not like it's fitted for a school boy. But it still has the serious problem of the collar standing away from the neck. The acne suit jacket looks even worse than the other suit jackets in Skyfall, being far too short. If the jacket doesn't cover your bum it's too short. Daniel Craig's suits in Skyfall also did not cover his bum.

So it's like me, a 38-40R suit wearer, going into H and M and buying a skinny suit a size larger?

I'm sorry it just looks awful.

What look awful? Buy what fits, not what's on the tag. A suit should hug the body, not bunch up around it because it is too tight. I'm a 39R, and if I went into H & M and bought a 39R (if they had such a size) it would probably not fit me. Last year I bought a rather "slim fit" suit in size 40L because the 40R was too short to cover my bum, so I just shortened the sleeves on the 40L. Daniel Craig's suits in Skyfall aren't exactly "skinny" suits. They are simply just a size too small. That's why they mostly look sloppy. The action suits like in that photo are the correct size. That suit fits cleaner and drapes better than the suits that are a size smaller.

Bond44

If you want a decent fitted (Slim fit) Grey Sharkskin try the TM Lewin Portobello. Has slanted pockets and twin vent but its a fine summer suit with flat front trousers and they will add a cuff to the trouser bottoms.

http://www.tmlewin.co.uk/Portobello-Slim-Fit-2-Button-Grey-Suit/40674B,en_GB,pd.html

Cheers

Charmed & Dangerous

Bond44 wrote:

If you want a decent fitted (Slim fit) Grey Sharkskin try the TM Lewin Portobello. Has slanted pockets and twin vent but its a fine summer suit with flat front trousers and they will add a cuff to the trouser bottoms.

http://www.tmlewin.co.uk/Portobello-Slim-Fit-2-Button-Grey-Suit/40674B,en_GB,pd.html

Cheers

I bought the navy blue sharkskin version of this last year in T M Lewin - it's been fantastic, I can't recommend it enough. Though TML gave frequent sales and you should be able to get it for even less before too long - I paid about £200 + a bit extra to have it tailored.

thelordflasheart

For all the grief that H&M gets I find that they do get in decent quality 100% wool suits at least a couple of times a year. Now, decent quality is subjective but for suits ranging from anywhere between $105 to $200 they can be shockingly nice looking (I've gotten away with wearing a couple to high-level functions and actually got compliments on how nice they looked - be sure to swap out the cheap plastic buttons). In fact, a few years back I got a fantastic grey Prince of Wales check three-piece that I recently wore and (again) got rave reviews on it.

A while back I saw a very nice grey sharkskin suit there which was 100% wool and very nice and light. I put it in the back of my mind but when I was there recently the 100% wool ones are mostly gone and they now have a poly/wool mix (they had a few of the wool jackets but the matching pants were sold out except for large sizes). The lining is also a mix of polyester and rayon so I don't know how well it would breath in warm or hot weather. But for someone on a tight budget it's a good choice (2nd and 3rd pics are the sharkskin):

http://thefashionisto.com/alex-lundqvist-suits-up-for-hms-spring-2013-collection/

Sidders

Bond44 wrote:

If you want a decent fitted (Slim fit) Grey Sharkskin try the TM Lewin Portobello. Has slanted pockets and twin vent but its a fine summer suit with flat front trousers and they will add a cuff to the trouser bottoms.

http://www.tmlewin.co.uk/Portobello-Slim-Fit-2-Button-Grey-Suit/40674B,en_GB,pd.html

Cheers

That is a very nice suit. Very tempted but appears to be out of stock in virtually all sizes at the moment.

Bond44

Pop in store TML retail and online are two different parts of their business I have seen them in London stores

Cheers

othertravel

Here's a great alternative to the Istanbul suit. I'm posting this because BB is having a 30% off sale on Thursday, so the price is right.

http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Regent-Fit-Sharkskin-Three-Piece-1818-Suit/MK00276,default,pd.html?dwvar_MK00276_Color=MDGY&dwvar_MK00276_Size=39_RG&contentpos=7&cgid=0216

Sidders

Charmed & Dangerous wrote:

Bond44 wrote:

If you want a decent fitted (Slim fit) Grey Sharkskin try the TM Lewin Portobello. Has slanted pockets and twin vent but its a fine summer suit with flat front trousers and they will add a cuff to the trouser bottoms.

http://www.tmlewin.co.uk/Portobello-Slim-Fit-2-Button-Grey-Suit/40674B,en_GB,pd.html

Cheers

I bought the navy blue sharkskin version of this last year in T M Lewin - it's been fantastic, I can't recommend it enough. Though TML gave frequent sales and you should be able to get it for even less before too long - I paid about £200 + a bit extra to have it tailored.

Well, Charmed & Dangerous, you were right. Suit was reduced further to £179.00 and I managed to obtain a discount code for a further 15% off. What's more my size came back in stock thus buying this suit for a grand total of £152.00.

One happy chap!

Many thanks to Bond44 for the heads up.

Charmed & Dangerous

Sounds like you got an even better deal that I did! Nice!

Glad to hear it and yes, good work Bond44.

Bond44

No problem guys glad to help.

Another tip they do a nice navy herringbone 3 piece looks very close the the suit worn by DC at the end of CR ( add in the black Loake Kemptons and bobs your uncle)



Final tip if you buy the waistcoat and black knitted tie ( add white pocket square) the sharkskin looks similar to that worn by Sean Connery in Goldfinger see below.

Two bonds for the price of one!

Cheers

Returningson

but why does connery's look so much better? maybe its that vest. or maybe its just the swagger -{

Matt S

Bond44 wrote:

No problem guys glad to help.

Another tip they do a nice navy herringbone 3 piece looks very close the the suit worn by DC at the end of CR ( add in the black Loake Kemptons and bobs your uncle)



Final tip if you buy the waistcoat and black knitted tie ( add white pocket square) the sharkskin looks just like that worn by Sean Connery in Goldfinger see below.

Two bonds for the price of one!

Cheers

Craig's suit is a pinstripe, not herringbone. But Lazenby wore a navy herringbone 3-piece, and that was an amazing suit. And Connery's suit is a glen plaid, not a sharkskin (and the tie is actually dark navy).

Returningson wrote:

but why does connery's look so much better? maybe its that vest. or maybe its just the swagger -{

Connery's suit looks better because it fits perfectly and flows better with the body. That's the key.

jonny-dh

Matt S wrote:

Craig's suit is a pinstripe, not herringbone. But Lazenby wore a navy herringbone 3-piece, and that was an amazing suit. And Connery's suit is a glen plaid, not a sharkskin (and the tie is actually dark navy).


Connery's suit looks better because it fits perfectly and flows better with the body. That's the key.

Mic drop.