A View To A Kill is admittedly a weird one but certainly not a bad one. Definitely not Moore's worst and has some of the greatest scenes in the entire series!
Now, they only eat rat.
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A View To A Kill is admittedly a weird one but certainly not a bad one. Definitely not Moore's worst and has some of the greatest scenes in the entire series!
Yes, the AVTAK fan must seek out Andrew McNess's book James Bond in Our Sights - A Close Look at 'A View to A Kill' (2011) avalable on Amazon as an e-book and a hard copy book. Go get it! It's an excellent analysis of this overlooked James Bond film.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
And as I recall the TV spots were even more insistent.
Especially here in the US. The irony is that unless you were following Roger Ebert, you probably didn't see much about the film in print. But it was ALL OVER TV as being the best Bond film ever made, that it could connect to the younger generation where past films had failed to do that (I remember that REALLY prominently), and that it had the best special effects of any Bond movie (no, really). DAD isn't as bad as often portrayed, but it fell apart when the movie moved to Iceland. By the time we're on the plane, it falls apart almost completely. At least MR's special effects for the time weren't half bad, and while I know for a fact it had similar issues with hype, my Dad said that it was nowhere near as hyped as DAD was.
With that said, I would agree with most of the previous posters regarding AVTAK. I don't particularly care for it relative to other Bond films, but no way is it worse than DAD or even MR.
By the way, are you gonna eat that?
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And as I recall the TV spots were even more insistent.
Especially here in the US. The irony is that unless you were following Roger Ebert, you probably didn't see much about the film in print. But it was ALL OVER TV as being the best Bond film ever made, that it could connect to the younger generation where past films had failed to do that (I remember that REALLY prominently), and that it had the best special effects of any Bond movie (no, really). DAD isn't as bad as often portrayed, but it fell apart when the movie moved to Iceland. By the time we're on the plane, it falls apart almost completely. At least MR's special effects for the time weren't half bad, and while I know for a fact it had similar issues with hype, my Dad said that it was nowhere near as hyped as DAD was.
With that said, I would agree with most of the previous posters regarding AVTAK. I don't particularly care for it relative to other Bond films, but no way is it worse than DAD or even MR.
Yes, there's a myth surrounding this. DAD was hyped senseless and Pierce Brosnan is on record somewhere saying that this was going to be the most realistic and relevant Bond film plotwise of them all. No, seriously!
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
I'm afraid not. It was on TV. But, if it helps at all, it was on TNT's Bond Movie Marathon around the time of the film's UK release, but the interviewer was British/I'm guessing they asked someone in the UK permission to show it.
By the way, are you gonna eat that?
Silhouette ManThe last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
The funny thing is if you look back at the first Press Conference
about Goldeneye. Pierce said that they were hoping to look into
Bond as a human with weaknesses, and Fighting inner demons.
Basically what they're doing with Daniel. Sadly it never happened
for him.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
The funny thing is if you look back at the first Press Conference
about Goldeneye. Pierce said that they were hoping to look into
Bond as a human with weaknesses, and Fighting inner demons.
Basically what they're doing with Daniel. Sadly it never happened
for him.
no it didn't Bond in those movies was more like an over powered action movie character.
"You know what's great about you English Octopussy man I must seen that movie, Twice" -the simpsons
The funny thing is if you look back at the first Press Conference
about Goldeneye. Pierce said that they were hoping to look into
Bond as a human with weaknesses, and Fighting inner demons.
Basically what they're doing with Daniel. Sadly it never happened
for him.
To a degree, I would argue you did see bits and pieces of it in GE, but when TND arrived, I think they decided to change the tone/go back to the formulaic. I'm not trying to unduly knock TND (especially since the concept REALLY derails even more in TWINE), I'm just saying they decided to change the tone of the franchise back to "Bond as formulaic".
Agreed, that's the point I was making. I think Pierce wanted to
do as Daniel is doing now. Showing more of Bond the man.
Sadly He didn't get the Scripts and so ended up as a kind of
90's Roger Moore ( with a slightly harded egde ).
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
To a degree, I would argue you did see bits and pieces of it in GE, but when TND arrived, I think they decided to change the tone/go back to the formulaic. I'm not trying to unduly knock TND (especially since the concept REALLY derails even more in TWINE), I'm just saying they decided to change the tone of the franchise back to "Bond as formulaic".
GE was pretty great, TND, while 'formula' Bond, worked really well for what it was, TWINE was an uneven mix, but entertaining nonetheless. DAD went back to DAF sensibilities- pseudo serious nonsense. IMO.
GE was pretty great, TND, while 'formula' Bond, worked really well for what it was, TWINE was an uneven mix, but entertaining nonetheless. DAD went back to DAF sensibilities- pseudo serious nonsense. IMO.
I agree with you (although I prefer DAF to DAD) and think one of the reasons TND gets the you-know-what kicked out of it by the critics was timing. It's a film that gets a bad rep A LOT but also one that I do enjoy. I've always wondered if they thought "okay, we've got a film showing a little bit of Bond's past, NOW we have a perfect opportunity to make a formulaic! But we'll revisit the concept later." Because in a way, they seem to try to do this in TWINE, but it just doesn't "click". Then they tried to do a formulaic and went so overboard that some might argue that you can no longer make a formulaic Bond.
GE was pretty great, TND, while 'formula' Bond, worked really well for what it was, TWINE was an uneven mix, but entertaining nonetheless. DAD went back to DAF sensibilities- pseudo serious nonsense. IMO.
I agree with you (although I prefer DAF to DAD) and think one of the reasons TND gets the you-know-what kicked out of it by the critics was timing. It's a film that gets a bad rep A LOT but also one that I do enjoy. I've always wondered if they thought "okay, we've got a film showing a little bit of Bond's past, NOW we have a perfect opportunity to make a formulaic! But we'll revisit the concept later." Because in a way, they seem to try to do this in TWINE, but it just doesn't "click". Then they tried to do a formulaic and went so overboard that some might argue that you can no longer make a formulaic Bond.
Very astute observation there, Dalk. I think you're right - they threw away all the GE elements in TND - although as a satire on the power of the Media this film has regained its credibility in a way never imagined in 1997. TWINE was very mixed - an unexpected type of Bond film, really. And of course DAD was just awful - the final nail in the coffin of the so-called "classic James Bond film" era once and for all.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
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Yes, the AVTAK fan must seek out Andrew McNess's book James Bond in Our Sights - A Close Look at 'A View to A Kill' (2011) avalable on Amazon as an e-book and a hard copy book. Go get it! It's an excellent analysis of this overlooked James Bond film.
Do, you won't regret it. See Dr Andrew McNess's accompanying blog here:
[url]James Bond in Our Sights Blog http://www.jamesbondinoursights.blogspot.co.uk[/url]
Especially here in the US. The irony is that unless you were following Roger Ebert, you probably didn't see much about the film in print. But it was ALL OVER TV as being the best Bond film ever made, that it could connect to the younger generation where past films had failed to do that (I remember that REALLY prominently), and that it had the best special effects of any Bond movie (no, really). DAD isn't as bad as often portrayed, but it fell apart when the movie moved to Iceland. By the time we're on the plane, it falls apart almost completely. At least MR's special effects for the time weren't half bad, and while I know for a fact it had similar issues with hype, my Dad said that it was nowhere near as hyped as DAD was.
With that said, I would agree with most of the previous posters regarding AVTAK. I don't particularly care for it relative to other Bond films, but no way is it worse than DAD or even MR.
Yes, there's a myth surrounding this. DAD was hyped senseless and Pierce Brosnan is on record somewhere saying that this was going to be the most realistic and relevant Bond film plotwise of them all. No, seriously!
Oh, I remember that and can vouch for it. I just wonder how much they paid him to say it. Maybe the film's diamonds weren't fakes after all.
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Could you provide a link. I'd love to read it/see it again for as Bodo Lempke says "the funnies, yes". (See Never Send Flowers, John Gardner, 1993).
Should have added an extra smiley; I was being a bit tongue in cheek.
I'm afraid not. It was on TV. But, if it helps at all, it was on TNT's Bond Movie Marathon around the time of the film's UK release, but the interviewer was British/I'm guessing they asked someone in the UK permission to show it.
You really weren't far wrong there, though.
Put it this way: he'd be asking for that interview back once he saw the final thing.
And you're not joking...though I'm sure he'd more than an inkling that his scripted response was more than a little bit of BS.
Poor Pierce...
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It'd be like a slap in the face!
Poor Pierce.
Yes, he deserved one more bite at the Bondian cherry.
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about Goldeneye. Pierce said that they were hoping to look into
Bond as a human with weaknesses, and Fighting inner demons.
Basically what they're doing with Daniel. Sadly it never happened
for him.
To a degree, I would argue you did see bits and pieces of it in GE, but when TND arrived, I think they decided to change the tone/go back to the formulaic. I'm not trying to unduly knock TND (especially since the concept REALLY derails even more in TWINE), I'm just saying they decided to change the tone of the franchise back to "Bond as formulaic".
do as Daniel is doing now. Showing more of Bond the man.
Sadly He didn't get the Scripts and so ended up as a kind of
90's Roger Moore ( with a slightly harded egde ).
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
I agree with you (although I prefer DAF to DAD) and think one of the reasons TND gets the you-know-what kicked out of it by the critics was timing. It's a film that gets a bad rep A LOT but also one that I do enjoy. I've always wondered if they thought "okay, we've got a film showing a little bit of Bond's past, NOW we have a perfect opportunity to make a formulaic! But we'll revisit the concept later." Because in a way, they seem to try to do this in TWINE, but it just doesn't "click". Then they tried to do a formulaic and went so overboard that some might argue that you can no longer make a formulaic Bond.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Very astute observation there, Dalk. I think you're right - they threw away all the GE elements in TND - although as a satire on the power of the Media this film has regained its credibility in a way never imagined in 1997. TWINE was very mixed - an unexpected type of Bond film, really. And of course DAD was just awful - the final nail in the coffin of the so-called "classic James Bond film" era once and for all.