A Glock 18C as Patrice uses at the beginning of Skyfall or a customised Glock 19 with a select fire switch perhaps...
Why the hell does anyone want a fully auto pistol, useless ,you may get one round ,the first one on target, stupid toys. 8-) if you want an SMG use an SMG not a pistol. There is a reason why no military or police unit use them. I have fired the Skorpion, MP5K and Ingram and they are designed as machine pistols, the only one close to useful is the 5K even then I would prefer a 5A3.
Because they look cool and it's just a film...not real life.
No, they look stupid and are a waste of raw material. In fact fully auto pistols are just plain stupid.
Why the hell does anyone want a fully auto pistol, useless ,you may get one round ,the first one on target, stupid toys. 8-) if you want an SMG use an SMG not a pistol. There is a reason why no military or police unit use them. I have fired the Skorpion, MP5K and Ingram and they are designed as machine pistols, the only one close to useful is the 5K even then I would prefer a 5A3.
Because they look cool and it's just a film...not real life.
No, they look stupid and are a waste of raw material. In fact fully auto pistols are just plain stupid.
Fully auto pistols are my favourite...
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Snipes is right. They are actually utterly pointless. There's no practical or tactical reason for them at all. I've shot a Glock, Stetchkin and Beretta 93R. Great fun to shoot, but virtually impossible for accurate shot placement, plus your hand does feel numb after a time.
Snipes is right. They are actually utterly pointless. There's no practical or tactical reason for them at all. I've shot a Glock, Stetchkin and Beretta 93R. Great fun to shoot, but virtually impossible for accurate shot placement, plus your hand does feel numb after a time.
Patrice did OK with one in Skyfall...
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Well, not really. All those rounds and he only managed to hit Bond with shrapnel
Well, not really. All those rounds and he only managed to hit Bond with shrapnel
Well, I hate to bring this up; but he did in fact score a hit, while 2 MI6 operatives only manged to hit eachother. And that was with "sensible" weaponry.
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
Well, not really. All those rounds and he only managed to hit Bond with shrapnel
Well, I hate to bring this up; but he did in fact score a hit, while 2 MI6 operatives only manged to hit eachother. And that was with "sensible" weaponry.
Yes and it occurred to me that nobody has, of course, ever killed Bond anyway so any hit is probably a good hit when Bond is the target! Full auto pistols all the way then
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Bond should keep the PPK as a personal concealed carry. I thought the choice of firearms was perfect in Quantum, at the beginning he had a H&K (I think that's what it was...) at White's estate because there would most likely be a shootout. After he had to use his PPK in the rooftop chase since he wasn't expecting it. In Haiti I like to think he had his PPK in a waistband holster or pocket holster, but nothing's certain. I find it funny that he wasn't armed in Bregenz though it would have been perfect for the PPK. In Bolivia, though, when attacking the hotel he had a heavier gun. (I can't recall the type right now.) It's a personal statement for Bond and still a reliable and easy to conceal handgun. The P99 fit the bill for TWINE and DAD because those were larger action films and Bond needed a heavier gun. CR it almost fit but the PPK would still have been a better choice except in Venice, where Bond probably would have chosen to carry a P99. Zukovsky recognized Bond by his PPK in Goldeneye and that's how it should be.
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@screen name the weapon in question at the start of Quantum is a H&K UMP9 (a submachine gun) which is also the same weapon Bond uses in the end scene of Casino Royale to take down Mr. White, since he was driving the Aston Martin he removed the suppressor and folded the stock in to make it easier to use from inside the car. As for the Opera house scenes he does in fact have the PPK with him, it is best seen when he corners the undercover policeman on the rooftop, he also mange's to drop one of Greene's henchman with it. Finally for the climax at the Eco Hotel, he uses a Sig Sauer P226 that he removed from another MI6 officer in the lift of his hotel.
As for the topic at hand I say keep the PPK and occasionally use the P99 for when Bond expects a major gun battle to occur.
Let me shed some light into the start of this thread. I had the opportunity to shoot the PPK and the PPS (and a PPQ for that matter) back to back to back.
The PPQ IMO is the logical next step from the P99. It's got better ergonomics, better trigger mechanics, and a rail for extras (if you're into that sort of thing). The only downside from the P99 is I feel it's a bit more 'boxy' than the P99.
Anyway, enough of that. The PPK is a fine shooting weapon. At 15' I can manage to group within 6" (one round after another with little to no space between shots). It's nice and slim and is easily concealable. The downsides of it though are that unless you **** the hammer back, that first shot will pull (right in my case) because of the heavier trigger pull. Also, because it's a metal frame gun, it can be heavy (though not as heavy as you might expect).
On the other hand, shooting the PPS, I have to say that (at least I did) found it much more natural in the hand. I was shooting the 9mm version, and I have to say that the kick might have been less than the .380 PPK. I found the lighter weight to be exceptionally nice (you can say all you want about polymer frames, having worked with the stuff in undergrad I personally prefer the stuff) and the quick action trigger mechanics to be amazing, not to mention something Bond would be particularly fond of. Also to note that 4 out of 5 of my groupings with the PPS beat out my PPK groupings, so (at least in my hands) the PPS seems to be a bit more accurate. Size wise, the PPS is only a few mm larger than the PPK and is still extremely easy to conceal.
I kept seeing 'tradition' being thrown around. Okay, you can't get rid of and just replace the PPK. But in the moments where Bond knows that shooting is more likely than not, I think a more modern Walther (notice I suggested only a walther) might be something to consider. When Fleming introduced the PPK in Dr. No (1958?), it was a modern gun. It was the top of the line for what Bond was going to be doing, up through at least the 60's if not into the 70's. But as traditional as it is (and if Bond is in a suit, he needs the PPK I'll conceed that) the PPK is aged. Fleming would have kept Bond up to date.
Now shooting the P99 and PPK every week, leave it as it is, both are great weapons and the PPK is the more accurate of the two ,I am constantly getting sub 1 1/2 inch groups at 10 mtrs with the PPK and about 2-3 inch groups with the P99. For concealability the PPK can not be beaten and my son who has been accepted for one of the security forces is applying for a P99 as a PPW for constant carry. The Walthers , especially the PPK as a 1930s design, have style and class, nothing else comes close looks wise.
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http://youtu.be/NI6ygeZxUBA
No, they look stupid and are a waste of raw material. In fact fully auto pistols are just plain stupid.
Fully auto pistols are my favourite...
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2. Irony.
3. Lists.
Patrice did OK with one in Skyfall...
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Damn, you're spot on
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I was amazed he managed that ,and where exactly where do you conceal the mag?
ive only ever fired ,Lee enfield 303 and SLR 7-62, museum pieces now i suspect
Fired the 303 a couple of weeks ago and as for Gods own rifle
Looks like an updated Man from UNCLE gun (undoubtedly the coolest ever screen weapon IMHO)
Well, I hate to bring this up; but he did in fact score a hit, while 2 MI6 operatives only manged to hit eachother. And that was with "sensible" weaponry.
-Mr Arlington Beech
Yes and it occurred to me that nobody has, of course, ever killed Bond anyway so any hit is probably a good hit when Bond is the target! Full auto pistols all the way then
1. People who hate things.
2. Irony.
3. Lists.
As for the topic at hand I say keep the PPK and occasionally use the P99 for when Bond expects a major gun battle to occur.
The PPQ IMO is the logical next step from the P99. It's got better ergonomics, better trigger mechanics, and a rail for extras (if you're into that sort of thing). The only downside from the P99 is I feel it's a bit more 'boxy' than the P99.
Anyway, enough of that. The PPK is a fine shooting weapon. At 15' I can manage to group within 6" (one round after another with little to no space between shots). It's nice and slim and is easily concealable. The downsides of it though are that unless you **** the hammer back, that first shot will pull (right in my case) because of the heavier trigger pull. Also, because it's a metal frame gun, it can be heavy (though not as heavy as you might expect).
On the other hand, shooting the PPS, I have to say that (at least I did) found it much more natural in the hand. I was shooting the 9mm version, and I have to say that the kick might have been less than the .380 PPK. I found the lighter weight to be exceptionally nice (you can say all you want about polymer frames, having worked with the stuff in undergrad I personally prefer the stuff) and the quick action trigger mechanics to be amazing, not to mention something Bond would be particularly fond of. Also to note that 4 out of 5 of my groupings with the PPS beat out my PPK groupings, so (at least in my hands) the PPS seems to be a bit more accurate. Size wise, the PPS is only a few mm larger than the PPK and is still extremely easy to conceal.
I kept seeing 'tradition' being thrown around. Okay, you can't get rid of and just replace the PPK. But in the moments where Bond knows that shooting is more likely than not, I think a more modern Walther (notice I suggested only a walther) might be something to consider. When Fleming introduced the PPK in Dr. No (1958?), it was a modern gun. It was the top of the line for what Bond was going to be doing, up through at least the 60's if not into the 70's. But as traditional as it is (and if Bond is in a suit, he needs the PPK I'll conceed that) the PPK is aged. Fleming would have kept Bond up to date.
Well, that's what we have. He has never used a S&W PPK, and I don't see them ever doing that.
The ppk/s in skyfall was an s&w model.