DAF = Terrible?

DieAnotherDayDieAnotherDay Glasgow, ScotlandPosts: 460MI6 Agent
It's a strange one, I actually can thoroughly enjoy DAF from start to finish and kind of push out the campy rubbish from my view but the other day I watched the re-watched the film in more depth and analysis and found that it is a terrible film....entertaining still. There are several things that ruin the film for me:
Connery - he is phoning it in something chronic. Has aged unbelievable since he took on the role 9 years earlier and also looks overweight from time to time

There is no danger - Not for one moment do you think anyone is actually fighting for survival here, even when Bond and Miss Case are on the rig at the "climax", with campy as hell lines plaguing the scenes > "hi, Ernst". "can I tag along Ernst?" ....and the batho sub ....oh boy!!

The action is lacklustre

There seems to be very little care taken over the film in general as there are mistakes and plot holes all over the place

Blofeld is pathetic compared to his previous identities.

Am I being harsh because I actually see very little hate for this film on here??
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    I think it was an Attempt to bring back the Humor that was pretty much missing from OHMSS. I would like to have seen a dark Revenge Film about Bond getting back at Blofeld as well, but it would not really feel right with Connery taking on a Vengeful Bond. Lazenby would have to come back which of course he didn't (Blame his Manager)
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  • DieAnotherDayDieAnotherDay Glasgow, ScotlandPosts: 460MI6 Agent
    I think it was an Attempt to bring back the Humor that was pretty much missing from OHMSS. I would like to have seen a dark Revenge Film about Bond getting back at Blofeld as well, but it would not really feel right with Connery taking on a Vengeful Bond. Lazenby would have to come back which of course he didn't (Blame his Manager)

    Yeah, I think Guy Hamilton was trying to get the exact same tone as GF due to the success of that film but he got it all wrong and sank deeper into the "camp" territory first set up by YOLT
    ....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.
  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 2,998MI6 Agent
    I fell in love with DAF when I saw it as a kid in the cinema on its initial release. It was an 'event' movie owing to Connery's return to the series. The film has worked its magic for me ever since, and I believe it to be a masterpiece of camp. Connery's relaxed interpretation of Bond as a maturing, sexy comedian is one of his most entertaining... a more deliberate performance in the role than any since GF. Sure, there are holes in the plot, but there's also a knowing wit in the screenplay which simultaneously celebrates and debunks Connery-AS-Bond's superstardom: audiences at the time really 'got' that and responded to it. Charles Gray's louche turn as Blofeld blends with the overall tone of the film: his camp persona brought amusing new meaning to the trope of the character's attachment to his Siamese pussy cat. John Barry brilliantly complemented the location work with one of his most evocative soundtracks. Occasional moments of startling violence (historically cut from many TV broadcasts) and a taste for morbid humour and the bizarre lend the film a frisson which is often overlooked.
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  • DieAnotherDayDieAnotherDay Glasgow, ScotlandPosts: 460MI6 Agent
    Shady Tree wrote:
    I fell in love with DAF when I saw it as a kid in the cinema on its initial release. It was an 'event' movie owing to Connery's return to the series. The film has worked its magic for me ever since, and I believe it to be a masterpiece of camp. Connery's relaxed interpretation of Bond as a maturing, sexy comedian is one of his most entertaining... a more deliberate performance in the role than any since GF. Sure, there are holes in the plot, but there's also a knowing wit in the screenplay which simultaneously celebrates and debunks Connery-AS-Bond's superstardom: audiences at the time really 'got' that and responded to it. Charles Gray's louche turn as Blofeld blends with the overall tone of the film: his camp persona brought amusing new meaning to the trope of the character's attachment to his Siamese pussy cat. John Barry brilliantly complemented the location work with one of his most evocative soundtracks. Occasional moments of startling violence (historically cut from many TV broadcasts) and a taste for morbid humour and the bizarre lend the film a frisson which is often overlooked.

    First off, nice username. I loved good old Shady and his acute grouchy comments :D As for the bizarre humour of the film being overlooked; I'm not so sure. I don't think you'll find anyone who says they weren't at least substantially entertained by DAF but I just feel the obscurity of the film as a whole actually drags it down (unlike AVTAK) and it felt far too much like a spoof of a Bond film from only a few years earlier. Plus why IS Connery so relaxed? Does he not count Blofeld as an enormous danger to the world anyone? He treats him like an old aquaintance (until he buries his grapple hook into his head) I don't even think we seen Rog as chilled out as Connery portrayed the ageing secret agent here.
    ....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    I agree it's campy stuff and nonsense in general but I won't say any more than that for now until my review is published on my blog. :) DieAnotherDay said above that DAF made the massive mistake of following the campy tone set up by YOLT and he is dead right ande hit the nail on the head firmly on this one.
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  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 2,998MI6 Agent
    edited April 2013
    First off, nice username. I loved good old Shady and his acute grouchy comments :D As for the bizarre humour of the film being overlooked; I'm not so sure. I don't think you'll find anyone who says they weren't at least substantially entertained by DAF but I just feel the obscurity of the film as a whole actually drags it down (unlike AVTAK) and it felt far too much like a spoof of a Bond film from only a few years earlier. Plus why IS Connery so relaxed? Does he not count Blofeld as an enormous danger to the world anyone? He treats him like an old aquaintance (until he buries his grapple hook into his head) I don't even think we seen Rog as chilled out as Connery portrayed the ageing secret agent here.

    The ostensible menace presented by Blofeld's plot is not where the film's interests lie: it's in the game of witty one-upmanship played between Connery's Bond, now an old pro, and the assortment of colourful caricatures who challenge him (including Blofeld). In other words, it's an early 70s comedy of manners, with all the elements of the Bond genre at its disposal as playthings - in the same way that LTK (my other favourite Bond film) is an 80s crime/revenge drama with a legacy of Bond stock to draw from. (I'm not sure what AVTAK is, to be honest, other than a somewhat tired and confused Bond film. I enjoy watching it, but, to me, the rather smug 'English heritage'/Merchant Ivory inflection around all the St. John Smythe / Tibbet scenes feels decidedly more middle-aged than Connery's Bond in DAF.) DAF is the sort of movie I'd like to watch in a double-bill with, let's say, 'Plaza Suite' (1971) rather than with any serious crime or action movie of the same vintage.
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  • DieAnotherDayDieAnotherDay Glasgow, ScotlandPosts: 460MI6 Agent
    Shady Tree wrote:
    First off, nice username. I loved good old Shady and his acute grouchy comments :D As for the bizarre humour of the film being overlooked; I'm not so sure. I don't think you'll find anyone who says they weren't at least substantially entertained by DAF but I just feel the obscurity of the film as a whole actually drags it down (unlike AVTAK) and it felt far too much like a spoof of a Bond film from only a few years earlier. Plus why IS Connery so relaxed? Does he not count Blofeld as an enormous danger to the world anyone? He treats him like an old aquaintance (until he buries his grapple hook into his head) I don't even think we seen Rog as chilled out as Connery portrayed the ageing secret agent here.

    The ostensible menace presented by Blofeld's plot is not where the film's interests lie: it's in the game of witty one-upmanship played between Connery's Bond, now an old pro, and the assortment of colourful caricatures he encounters. It's an early 70s comedy of manners with all the elements of the Bond genre at its disposal as playthings, in the same way that LTK (my other favourite Bond film) is an 80s crime/revenge drama with elements of Bond stock to draw from. (I'm not sure what AVTAK is, to be honest, other than a somewhat tired and confused Bond film. I enjoy watching it, but the rather smug 'English heritage'/Merchant Ivory inflection around all the St. John Smythe / Tibbet scenes feels decidely more middle-aged than Connery's Bond in DAF.) DAF is the sort of movie I'd like to watch in a double-bill with, let's say, 'Plaza Suite' (1971) rather than with any serious crime or action movie of the same vintage.

    I guess it was just an image of the times but I just can't help but think it feels like an exhausted spoof at certain points whenever I watch it. Completely entertaining non the less so what the hell.....I'll give it the benefit of the doubt :)
    ....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.
  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,112MI6 Agent
    Reviving this thread.

    I like DAF,good villains (Wint and Kid), witty dialogue "well he certainly left with his tails between his legs!" and good set pieces, the lift fight between Bond and Franks being one of them.

    I have two gripes with this film however;

    The special effects are terrible compared with earlier entries in the series,The explosions look like they have come from a kid's chemistry set.


    I felt that Blofeld's demise was poor. If only they filmed the idea in the original screenplay where frogmen would blow the rig up with explosives, Blofeld would escape in his bathosub with Bond in pursuit on a weather balloon. the chase would end in a salt mine leading to Blofeld falling to his death in a salt crusher.
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  • always shakenalways shaken LondonPosts: 6,287MI6 Agent
    Oh Wint and Kidd they are the best ,and the red mach 1 now your
    talking :)
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  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,112MI6 Agent
    Felt Blofeld's demise was a big let down for me, but otherwise an enjoyable film.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,868Chief of Staff
    I'm with Shady (I just adored your act) in that I too fell in love with DAF on its initial release and that it was an event movie with Connery's return. It's a bit too relaxed at times, and as hehadalotofguts has said the special effects were not up to par (not even at the time). However it's a vastly entertaining Bond flick, with Mankiewicz's wit making up for any shortfalls, in the first two thirds or so anyway, and Connery clearly enjoying himself.
    The star of the show isn't Ken Adam, as it had been with YOLT and would be with TSWLM, but John Barry. He's faultless throughout, catching exactly the right tone (more so than Guy Hamilton, with whom he had disputes).
    I'd have liked to have seen a bit more Fleming material- granted, the novel wasn't one of his best but more could have been used. The first half and the coda are reasonably faithful. On release, the film was seen as "making up for" the perceived mistakes of OHMSS and bringing Bond into the 70s with a bang, being a huge financial success.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    On release, the film was seen as "making up for" the perceived mistakes of OHMSS and bringing Bond into the 70s with a bang, being a huge financial success.
    I was too young then to have seen OHMSS in the movies, so DAF was my first theatrical Bond experience, having only seen GF on TV just before. So mine was an enjoyable ride with this flick, and in that post Batman era it seemed reasonably serious to me.
    I still like it for nostalgic reasons.
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  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 2,998MI6 Agent
    edited May 2013
    Barbel wrote:
    The star of the show isn't Ken Adam, as it had been with YOLT and would be with TSWLM, but John Barry. He's faultless throughout, catching exactly the right tone (more so than Guy Hamilton, with whom he had disputes).

    I agree. Barry brilliantly complements DAF's location work with one of his most evocative soundtracks, imbuing Amsterdam with a sense of sedate prettiness and Vegas with razzamatazz. His score is often playful - in keeping with Mankwiecz's witty screenplay - and it conveys in its action cues a distinctively Bondian sense of "precariousness glorified" (to quote Pauline Kael's contemporary review of the film).
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  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,112MI6 Agent
    I liked Barry's score in this. My favourite piece is 007 which he used until Moonraker. It's a really stirring piece of music which can also be suspenseful as well
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  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 2,998MI6 Agent
    I liked Barry's score in this. My favourite piece is 007 which he used until Moonraker. It's a really stirring piece of music which can also be suspenseful as well

    Stirring, yes: but the onset of full-blown arrangements of the '007' theme (in FRWL, TB, YOLT, DAF and MR) always seems to me to mark the points at which suspense gives way to pure spectacle, with the complete melody 'resolving' any suspenseful undercurrents which may have preceded.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,868Chief of Staff
    Shady Tree wrote:
    Stirring, yes: but the onset of full-blown arrangements of the '007' theme (in FRWL, TB, YOLT, DAF and MR) always seems to me to mark the points at which suspense gives way to pure spectacle, with the complete melody 'resolving' any suspenseful undercurrents which may have preceded.

    That's very true- would you therefore say the best use of it is in the Junkanoo scene in TB where the melody doesn't resolve? (My personal favourite variation is later in the same movie, during the underwater battle)
  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 2,998MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Shady Tree wrote:
    Stirring, yes: but the onset of full-blown arrangements of the '007' theme (in FRWL, TB, YOLT, DAF and MR) always seems to me to mark the points at which suspense gives way to pure spectacle, with the complete melody 'resolving' any suspenseful undercurrents which may have preceded.

    That's very true- would you therefore say the best use of it is in the Junkanoo scene in TB where the melody doesn't resolve? (My personal favourite variation is later in the same movie, during the underwater battle)

    I do like that suspenseful version - and yes, it's used again during part of the underwater battle to accompany individual acts of violence.

    The full melodic version of the '007' theme connotes a sense of comic-strip 'Bond triumphant', with an arrangement in MR which is almost stately in its celebration of Bond's invulnerability.

    I'm hard pushed to think of any sequence in more recent Bond movies where the '007' theme would have fitted. Possibly in some of the more 'comic strip' sequences in DAD.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Many years ago Beats by Dope Demand did a brilliant cover of the space theme from DAF mixed in with 007. It was called Timber.

    DAF is great fun, but it's a family film for Xmas Day. I have a theory that some Bond fans associate the films with their family as youth, others associate the films with getting away from their family, hence the dissonance in views. That latter go less for laughs and camp, they find it cringey, like your Dad gatecrashing the teenage disco.
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  • jeffchjeffch Posts: 163MI6 Agent
    I have a theory that some Bond fans associate the films with their family as youth, others associate the films with getting away from their family, hence the dissonance in views. That latter go less for laughs and camp, they find it cringey, like your Dad gatecrashing the teenage disco.

    I always figured this is why so many people love MR, they loved it as kids and it stuck with them.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia, PAPosts: 754MI6 Agent
    DAF at the moment is my least favorite Bond film, but even so it has its redeeming qualities. The camp doesn't suit Connery like it fits Moore, but the line "I was just out walking my rat and seem to have lost my way" is hysterical.

    The first 45 minutes to an hour work well, mostly because of Wint and Kidd stealing the show. They are underrated Bond henchmen IMO. Their dialogue is witty and they have great screen chemistry.

    I think the reason I dislike it in general though is that it follows one of my favorites in OHMSS. Having Blofeld back and Connery just smile at him as if he mildly amused him just killed any momentum they could have built on the gripping story of the previous film. Ah well, still a Bond film which makes it better than 99% of the other movies out there.
  • L JonesL Jones Posts: 131MI6 Agent
    DAF is a very funny movie. But I feel that it's also a terrible. Probably the worst Bond movie I have ever seen.
  • LazenbyfanLazenbyfan USAPosts: 53MI6 Agent
    It's my least favorite Connery film. Just too silly in spots.
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  • PolynikesPolynikes U.k.Posts: 276MI6 Agent
    Yes! Wint and Kidd are hilarious!...I want to be those guys.But I agree my least favourite Sean Connery film. Can't believe how much he'd aged! I also agree its aggravated by the fact OHMSS was so good.
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  • zaphodzaphod Posts: 1,183MI6 Agent
    L Jones wrote:
    DAF is a very funny movie. But I feel that it's also a terrible. Probably the worst Bond movie I have ever seen.

    Have you not seen Moonraker ? :p
  • jeffchjeffch Posts: 163MI6 Agent
    zaphod wrote:
    L Jones wrote:
    DAF is a very funny movie. But I feel that it's also a terrible. Probably the worst Bond movie I have ever seen.

    Have you not seen Moonraker ? :p

    Do people really laugh at MR or DAF? I never found them funny, just goofy.
  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,112MI6 Agent
    Does anyone notice that when Munger is talking about how the diamonds are smuggled. He mentions the mine's security system("the whole process from start to finish operates under an airtight security system,it's an essential precaution even though the industry prides itself on the loyalty and devotion of it's workers") but he says it twice. Always thought it was rather odd.
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  • rennervisionrennervision Posts: 107MI6 Agent
    I don't despise DAF like a lot of folks do. I admit some of it could be the nostalgia factor from seeing it when I was a kid. But I say the movie is actually quite original and entertaining up until the point when Bond shoots fake Blofeld #2 in the Las Vegas penthouse.

    From that point on, it's like the movie was finished by different writers. It starts to unravel with what I consider the absolute worst way in the history of the series a villain has ever tried to kill Bond. (They actually leave his sleeping body at a construction site! That was the plan??) Tiffany Case, who was actually a fairly enjoyable and intelligent Bond girl, suddenly has a serious drop in IQ once she's on the oil rig. And then Bond's idea of sneaking onto the oil rig is to just show up and allow himself to be captured. (But it's all good, because they're not going to kill or torture him. Instead, they're stupid enough to lock him in a room with a hole in the floor!)

    The second half is much more campy than the first half, complete with a guy counting down while the oil rig explodes around him since it's apparently his job to do that at all costs. But I do think the haters should at least acknowledge there are moments to be enjoyed up to the film's midway point.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I don't know what it is about DAF, ( childhood memories I guess) but
    It's not even in my top ten Bond films,Yet I seem to watch it quite a lot. :D
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    short reply to the headline: YES!

    Only NSNA and CR'67 rank lower in my list, hell - I'd even prefer the Dalton movies over DAF! -{
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  • jeffchjeffch Posts: 163MI6 Agent
    I don't know what it is about DAF, ( childhood memories I guess) but
    It's not even in my top ten Bond films,Yet I seem to watch it quite a lot. :D

    DAF is easily one of the worse Bond films ever made, but I'm still inexplicably entertained by it...
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