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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    In my mind, ( not shown on film) Bond begins swinging on the cable, in
    a pendulum effect, which gives him enough forward momentum to
    successfully land on the cable car's support bracket. :)

    That's how I always thought about it too...
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  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    OHMSS: 1. The casino staff in the Lisbon casino speak in French instead of Portuguese. Never heard an explanation for that.
    2. As Bond is hanging on the aerial tramway cable about to have his hands severed by the cable wheels he lets go just before
    it can happen and in the very next cut he is holding on to the skeletal support above the car. This has always bothered me as there is obviously quite a distance from the support to the front of the wheels. I rode in this on my visit and all I could figure out is they did this jump cut so no one would hopefully notice. However, in reality when I looked out of the car windows at the distance it seemed more likely if someone really let go right in front of the wheels they would drop about fifteen feet before hitting the front roof of the car. Even if one could throw themselves towards the skeletal support gravity and the speed of the car would cause them to end up at the very least hitting the bottom of the support at the roof base! I guess I have to chalk this one up to another case of Bond film cartoon physics. PS - when I went up to Piz Gloria the day after Christmas and there was snow and it looked just like it did in the film - except as I left Murren a fog rolled in so it ended up like you see in this picture where this poor lady had the same experience. Here I was in the Alps and couldn't see a bloody thing! That's alpine winter weather for you...
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    In the 60's and 70's, casino's throughout Europe would always use French as the language on the big tables (high stakes) as a matter of course - I remember "Rien ne va plus" (no more bets) being used in several casino's in England when I played the roulette tables as part of a syndicate playing the even bets - we were so successful that they changed the rules and banned groups of players playing as a team - English was used on the smaller tables, so I think that the use of French is par for the course in this instance.

    As for your second point, it's James Bond, he can defy the laws of gravity :D

    Thank you for the info on the first point...and I'm glad there was a real explanation for it!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,087Chief of Staff
    Whilst researching another subject, I came across a thread: http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/32632/tiny-grievances/ which is very similar. Obviously, I've now closed it down (rather belatedly) rather than this one!
  • TheWorldIsEnoughTheWorldIsEnough Posts: 296MI6 Agent
    edited January 2016
    In the PTS of GoldenEye when Bond is crawling through ductwork and tunnels, he emerges absolutely clean. Not a spot of dirt on him. If it were true to life, he would pop out covered in dirt and dust bunnies, coughing and sneezing. It's a general movie pet peeve of mine when a hero infiltrates the ventilation system. There are too many impossibilties to list but the most glaring error is not being covered in dust after going through ductwork.

    Also, Pierce Brosnan's Bond kissing Paris's dead body in TND. Always thought that was a little creepy.
  • TheWorldIsEnoughTheWorldIsEnough Posts: 296MI6 Agent
    Goldfinger. Oddjob electrocution.

    Hard to believe putting a live wire to a ground didn't instantly blow a fuse and go dead. The electricians who wired Fort Knox seriously violated some codes.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    In the PTS of GoldenEye when Bond is crawling through ductwork and tunnels, he emerges absolutely clean. Not a spot of dirt on him. If it were true to life, he would pop out covered in dirt and dust bunnies, coughing and sneezing. It's a general movie pet peeve of mine when a hero infiltrates the ventilation system. There are too many impossibilties to list but the most glaring error is not being covered in dust after going through ductwork.

    Also, Pierce Brosnan's Bond kissing Paris's dead body in TND. Always thought that was a little creepy.
    Ah but you must remember that pierce always carried multiple outfit changes and some wet wipes as being dirty and shoddy would just not do :))
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  • MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
    Now, this I really nitpicking, but it annoyed me how Moneypenny told Tanner to reverse in Spectre,

    Moneypenny: Reverse!
    Tanner: Oh, really? I was thinking about driving straight towards the men pointing guns at us.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Bond just snapping the wrist ties (as Superman might) in SP certainly qualifies as one for me :#
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    Bond just snapping the wrist ties (as Superman might) in SP certainly qualifies as one for me :#

    Bond knowing how to do this isn't a stretch. See it done by a normal person: http://lifehacker.com/5846172/an-incredibly-simple-way-to-escape-from-wrist-binding-zip-ties
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Matt S wrote:
    Bond just snapping the wrist ties (as Superman might) in SP certainly qualifies as one for me :#

    Bond knowing how to do this isn't a stretch. See it done by a normal person: http://lifehacker.com/5846172/an-incredibly-simple-way-to-escape-from-wrist-binding-zip-ties

    I'll buy that, but still think the film would have been better served if it had been slightly more difficult, for drama's sake. And it doesn't reflect well on the competence of ESB's men that they didn't use better equipment, such as chains or cuffs, so IMO it still comes off as a contrivance.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    it doesn't reflect well on the competence of ESB's men that they didn't use better equipment, such as chains or cuffs, so IMO it still comes off as a contrivance.
    Earnst spends money like water making his compounds; security is forced to run on a budget. :))
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    chrisisall wrote:
    it doesn't reflect well on the competence of ESB's men that they didn't use better equipment, such as chains or cuffs, so IMO it still comes off as a contrivance.
    Earnst spends money like water making his compounds; security is forced to run on a budget. :))

    Times are tough for evildoers :))
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    The global recession and austerity measures must have hit the terrorism and extortion markets pretty badly. But mind you M must be struggling a bit also, his jaguar didn't even have airbags!
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  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    I watched FYEO last night for the first time in a while. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. :)

    Anyway: At the end Bond reminds Melina about "digging two graves", but at that point it seems like killing Kristatos is a pretty safe bet without Melina dying in the process. The bigger issue here is cold-blooded murder of a prisoner.

    I realize Bibi doesn't like being in the monastery or like the idea of moving to Cuba. However, saying "I know what you want, but you're too old for me" is a pretty serious accusation and doesn't have any merit. We don't have any reason to think Kristatos had any such intentions even if he is a "bad guy"

    Plus, Bibi seems to like older men… 8-)
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    I watched FYEO last night for the first time in a while. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. :)

    Anyway: At the end Bond reminds Melina about "digging two graves", but at that point it seems like killing Kristatos is a pretty safe bet without Melina dying in the process. The bigger issue here is cold-blooded murder of a prisoner.

    I really like how Bond doesn't want Kristatos dead at the end. It reminds us that Bond's goal's often are to bring the villain to justice rather than just kill him or her (though Scaramanga is an exception). The villain usually ends up dead for other reasons, like it being self defence, or the girl kills the villain. But if Kristatos was taken away in handcuffs it wouldn't have worked. It only works for Koskov, but that's after another villain is just killed.
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  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,774MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Firemass wrote:
    I watched FYEO last night for the first time in a while. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. :)

    Anyway: At the end Bond reminds Melina about "digging two graves", but at that point it seems like killing Kristatos is a pretty safe bet without Melina dying in the process. The bigger issue here is cold-blooded murder of a prisoner.

    I really like how Bond doesn't want Kristatos dead at the end. It reminds us that Bond's goal's often are to bring the villain to justice rather than just kill him or her (though Scaramanga is an exception). The villain usually ends up dead for other reasons, like it being self defence, or the girl kills the villain. But if Kristatos was taken away in handcuffs it wouldn't have worked. It only works for Koskov, but that's after another villain is just killed.

    I agree with this. One of the things I've always appreciated about QoS was the way Bond dealt with Greene at the end.
  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,112MI6 Agent
    If Bibi says that Kristatos is too old for her, why does she chase after Bond, who is roughly a similar age to Kristatos? (In the Roger Moore era) It makes her hypocritical at best.
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    If Bibi says that Kristatos is too old for her, why does she chase after Bond, who is roughly a similar age to Kristatos? (In the Roger Moore era) It makes her hypocritical at best.

    She's actually described as "fickle". She chases after Erich Kriegler five minutes after meeting Bond
    Firemass wrote:
    I watched FYEO last night for the first time in a while. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. :) .

    FYEO is a slow grower. The more you watch the higher it moves up the ratings
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    I watched FYEO last night for the first time in a while. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. :)

    Anyway: At the end Bond reminds Melina about "digging two graves", but at that point it seems like killing Kristatos is a pretty safe bet without Melina dying in the process. The bigger issue here is cold-blooded murder of a prisoner.

    I realize Bibi doesn't like being in the monastery or like the idea of moving to Cuba. However, saying "I know what you want, but you're too old for me" is a pretty serious accusation and doesn't have any merit. We don't have any reason to think Kristatos had any such intentions even if he is a "bad guy"

    Plus, Bibi seems to like older men… 8-)

    Doesn't bother me too much because Bibi is young and naive. It is a serious accusation but it seems like a petty accusation by such a "fickle" girl.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    If Columbo hadn't taken care of Kristatos, Operation Yewtree would
    Have come calling. ;)
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,087Chief of Staff
    Thanks, Mr Bond... there's just one more thing...


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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    If Columbo hadn't taken care of Kristatos, Operation Yewtree would
    Have come calling. ;)
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  • MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
    These two things bug me because they was set up as character dveleopment but scrapped by the next film.

    Firstly, the revenge thing in FYEO. Bond seems like a wise man, who believes revenge is wrong. But by the next movie? He gets revenge on 009, then the next movie revenge on Tibbet, etc. It seems weird this sort of character they developed in FYEO disappears by OP.

    And secondly, the single woman thing in CR. They set it up and make jokes about how Bond 'only goes for a woman in a relationship', but we've only seen Craig do this with a woman in a relationship once.

    If you're going to set up a character trait, stick to them.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Only my opinion........

    In FYEO, I think Bond is pointing out that for a civilian like Melina. Killing
    for revenge is going to be tough to live with.
    Bond I think changed his ways after Vesper, now looking for a relationship
    with the right woman.
    I'm not saying I'm right, only how I justify it to myself. :)
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    And secondly, the single woman thing in CR. They set it up and make jokes about how Bond 'only goes for a woman in a relationship', but we've only seen Craig do this with a woman in a relationship once.

    If you're going to set up a character trait, stick to them.

    We don't really know whether Bond has abandoned this philosophy; only that it's no longer front and center in dialogue of late. Keeping on beating that drum would elicit accusations of repetition (of which there is already plenty, IMO).

    If Bond's philosophy about shagging married women has changed, it could be said to be a part of his development :007)
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    And secondly, the single woman thing in CR. They set it up and make jokes about how Bond 'only goes for a woman in a relationship', but we've only seen Craig do this with a woman in a relationship once.

    If you're going to set up a character trait, stick to them.

    We don't really know whether Bond has abandoned this philosophy; only that it's no longer front and center in dialogue of late. Keeping on beating that drum would elicit accusations of repetition (of which there is already plenty, IMO).

    If Bond's philosophy about shagging married women has changed, it could be said to be a part of his development :007)

    I think Bond going for a woman who was recently widowed is close enough to him going for a married woman.
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  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,774MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    And secondly, the single woman thing in CR. They set it up and make jokes about how Bond 'only goes for a woman in a relationship', but we've only seen Craig do this with a woman in a relationship once.

    If you're going to set up a character trait, stick to them.

    We don't really know whether Bond has abandoned this philosophy; only that it's no longer front and center in dialogue of late. Keeping on beating that drum would elicit accusations of repetition (of which there is already plenty, IMO).

    If Bond's philosophy about shagging married women has changed, it could be said to be a part of his development :007)

    I think Bond going for a woman who was recently widowed is close enough to him going for a married woman.

    The real common thread is that we've never seen Craig's Bond have an intimate relationship with a woman that didn't somehow further his mission. I guess you could argue both ways for Vesper, but otherwise this holds true. By contrast, the other Bonds seemed to derive pleasure from the company of the women. Craig's approach is much more of a means to an end.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    That's true. And vesper was in a relationship! We assume the women he sleeps with are single, but without a narrative who knows? Fields could have had a boyfriend?, Madeline Swann could have, just because they're not mentioned doesn't make so. We all tend to read between the lines differently and make different assumptions.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,087Chief of Staff
    we've never seen Craig's Bond have an intimate relationship with a woman that didn't somehow further his mission.

    Well, while enjoying death near the start of SF, he got pretty intimate on a non-mission basis with this lady:

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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    we've never seen Craig's Bond have an intimate relationship with a woman that didn't somehow further his mission.

    Well, while enjoying death near the start of SF, he got pretty intimate on a non-mission basis with this lady:

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    I'd also add Estrella. She served no purpose other than arm candy.
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