if he travelled up a tributary, he'd still be travelling against the flow of the river, therefor at the bottom of any waterfalls
but maybe he started on a tributary, then got chased onto the main channel, then downstream?
anyway, I see those falls aren't on any part of the Amazon at all, but a completely different river in the south of Brazil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iguazu_Falls
so I just assumed it was the Amazon, and I guess I also just assumed he was travelling upstream, from the coast, to some place really remote to find this plant
maybe he started in Rio (that much is clear), he has to travel to get to Secret Service field HQ somewhere in the interior, i.e. a height of land (and its arid grasslands, not rainforest), then he travels downstream on this other river in the south of the country to get to the waterfall?
actually that makes complete sense, now that I've thought to look up the waterfall
and now I look at a map, Rio is in the south of Brazil, too, so I'm an idiot
I just rewatched the film
Iguazu Falls may have been where they did the photography, but in the field office scene setting up that sequence, Q and Bond are most definitely discussing a tributary of the Amazon. there is a giant map of Brazil behind Q as he talks, focussing on the Amazon, not the coast south of Rio, and when Bond states the name of the tributary, the camera zooms in on a tributary of the Amazon flowing from the south, deep in the interior, to end the scene. A very long way from Rio, and presumably from the field office (which is in arid grasslands, I would have guessed closer to the Argentinan border, not rainforest).
So same niggle is back. Maybe they airlifted Bond's boat to the source of this tributary and he was following it downstream when attacked?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN8avpXNASA
I can't find the field office scene on youtube, but this clip of the boatchase begins a second early, showing the zoomin on the map but not the dialog. I think the river Rogers names is "tipparare" or something like that? its labelled in the map, but I cant quite read the spelling. Anyway, searching for that name in GoogleMaps, while focussed on exactly the area shown, just leads to suggestions "did you mean Tipparary?" (i.e. Ireland)
Is Kara Milovy too naive and gullible? Bond can say anything to her and do anything right in front of her and she picks up on nothing. I think the character is supposed to about 5 years younger than Maryan d'Abo was, which might explain some of it. But she's the girlfriend of a KGB general!
Is Kara Milovy too naive and gullible? Bond can say anything to her and do anything right in front of her and she picks up on nothing. I think the character is supposed to about 5 years younger than Maryan d'Abo was, which might explain some of it. But she's the girlfriend of a KGB general!
She's bordering on irritatingly naive at times, I've never been able to decide if it's intentional or how d'Abo plays it.
Is Kara Milovy too naive and gullible? Bond can say anything to her and do anything right in front of her and she picks up on nothing.
Haha yeah, also I would think after nearly being killed in that little sniper incident, she would be like furious with Georgi. Instead she has no thoughts that maybe he wants her dead and is all excited at the prospect of Bond being a "friend of his"
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Bond saves the day in the helicopter trap and then is super kind towards Natalya. "Here let me help you out" and she like kicks him in the shin and runs away. What was that all about? It's not like in Spectre where Swann was understandably upset that Bond almost got her killed in the chase.
Reminds me of in Goldfinger where Bond is like, "I know what they did to your sister in Miami and I can help you." and Jill is like "No you don't! Let go of me!" and puts up a big struggle.
Why are they making these women so hostile? It doesn't make them seem tougher, just stupider.
I also feel that Natalya could have given Bond a little more complete report on the insider. She mentions Boris, but not Ourumov.
Perhaps she was nervous about naming a top ranking General but still...it seemed like she trusted Bond at that point.
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Reminds me of in Goldfinger where Bond is like, "I know what they did to your sister in Miami and I can help you." and Jill is like "No you don't! Let go of me!" and puts up a big struggle.
It's Tilly rather than Jill, and being a lesbian (made clear in the book, though not the film) she presumably doesn't like being handled by a man.
Reminds me of in Goldfinger where Bond is like, "I know what they did to your sister in Miami and I can help you." and Jill is like "No you don't! Let go of me!" and puts up a big struggle.
It's Tilly rather than Jill, and being a lesbian (made clear in the book, though not the film) she presumably doesn't like being handled by a man.
Right idea, wrong pussy. I knew I should have double checked that one.
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- M says Bond's freedom came at too high a price? C'mon Bond is worth at least a 100 Zaos.
- In Cuba, Bond says he needs a fast car and Raoul laughs and nods. Next we see Bond in a 1957 Ford Fairlane.
To me it doesn't seem like this car is particularly fast or particularly slow...it's just a cool classic car. So I don't get the joke why Raoul was so smirky.
- Zao says "But the lasers are real" and then the next time we see Jinx she is unconscious. Did she faint?
Why did Zao boast about the lasers if he planned to shoot her? It was actually Mr. Kil who insisted on using the laser.
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Recently someone questioned the parahawk scene in TWINE being a plot hole, because since Elektra was revealed to be a bad guy then there's no way Renard would risk killing her in such an attack.
However, after rewatching TWINE last night I can safely say that this was not a plot hole. Elektra was never really in much danger since they split up as soon as the parahawks appeared and they only targeted Bond. Renard said as much later at their mission debriefing where it was clear that Bond was the target. Meanwhile, Elektra puts her own spin on it that the parahawks were trying to kill her.
I admit it was still risky as she was caught in an avalanche, but the attack and plot twist was hardly unexplained or overlooked by the filmmakers. Unlike say, Goldeneye, where it is NEVER explained how Ouromov managed to fake kill 006.
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I admit it was still risky as she was caught in an avalanche, but the attack and plot twist was hardly unexplained or overlooked by the filmmakers. Unlike say, Goldeneye, where it is NEVER explained how Ouromov managed to fake kill 006.
That truly is a tough one. I read somewhere once online that the audience, in addition to Bond, assume the shooting to be real at first. The main explanation is that obviously Ouromov was using a gun filled with blanks. However the big difficulty is that even a blank bullet will still be fatal if fired in such close proximity to the head as seen in the scene. Something about shrapnel from the exploding blank cartridge getting embedded into the unfortunate person. I forget the details but the gist is something like that.
That truly is a tough one. I read somewhere once online that the audience, in addition to Bond, assume the shooting to be real at first. The main explanation is that obviously Ouromov was using a gun filled with blanks. However the big difficulty is that even a blank bullet will still be fatal if fired in such close proximity to the head as seen in the scene. Something about shrapnel from the exploding blank cartridge getting embedded into the unfortunate person. I forget the details but the gist is something like that.
I always assumed they used the loudspeakers from their raves to mimic a gunshot.
I admit it was still risky as she was caught in an avalanche, but the attack and plot twist was hardly unexplained or overlooked by the filmmakers. Unlike say, Goldeneye, where it is NEVER explained how Ouromov managed to fake kill 006.
That truly is a tough one. I read somewhere once online that the audience, in addition to Bond, assume the shooting to be real at first. The main explanation is that obviously Ouromov was using a gun filled with blanks. However the big difficulty is that even a blank bullet will still be fatal if fired in such close proximity to the head as seen in the scene. Something about shrapnel from the exploding blank cartridge getting embedded into the unfortunate person. I forget the details but the gist is something like that.
Not to mention he shoots one of his own soldiers moments earlier who presumably wasn't faking it.
Most likely planned in advance with a fake arm behind his back, allowing him
to stick a finger in his ear. and after all This is Sean Bean we're taking about.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Maybe the screenwriters thought blanks worked the same way they did in Die Hard 2.
I was gonna mention DH2 being an example. In the movie world: blanks=harmless
However, Goldeneye doesn’t allow the blank theory to seem plausible due to Ourmov killing that guard in the same scene.
What really niggles me though is Bond never asks 006 about this little incident. “But Alec, I watched you die. How???” This question never even occurs to Bond for some reason.
Compare this to Moonraker where Bond asks Drax about why he hijacked his own shuttle in midair.
How could Goldeneye overlook such an important detail?
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There is a completely logical explanation: Alec had a plastic surgery double.
As I recall Bond had got separated from Alec, then next thing, he saw Alec captured with a gun to his head.
Probably the real Alec was hiding in the shadows, while his plastic surgery double, who'd been at the dam complex with the soviets all along, took the bullet.
After all, as a DoubleOh, Alec had access to all the case files and had been reading up on the diamond caper.
He had reason to read that file in particular, as he was already planning his own Evil Satellite, and wanted to research how others had tried to do that sort of scheme before him ... that's when Alec saw Blofeld had two plastic surgery doubles killed in that precredits sequence, and Bond never suspected the real Blofeld was still alive til halfway through the mission.
If I was an aspiring evil megalomaniac with a job in the DoubleOh office, I'd sure as heck be reading the old case files for inspiration.
What really niggles me though is Bond never asks 006 about this little incident. “But Alec, I watched you die. How???” This question never even occurs to Bond for some reason.
yes that really should have been an obvious topic of conversation. I think BrosnanBond just wasn't as clever as MooreBond, who was the smartest of all the Bonds. I bet MooreBond would never have been fooled by any of the rather obvious plot-twists in the Brosnan-era movies.
Elektra was never really in much danger since they split up as soon as the parahawks appeared and they only targeted Bond. Renard said as much later at their mission debriefing where it was clear that Bond was the target. Meanwhile, Elektra puts her own spin on it that the parahawks were trying to kill her.
thanks for checking into this. I still think the whole operation looked complex, expensive, and almost as inefficient as the hearse/gondola assassination attempt in Moonraker. And as noted a few pages back, Bonds decision to accompany Elektra on the ski-hill was literally last minute.
(I'm surprised the skis he grabbed even fit, he didn't stop to check them. Even LazenbyBond was smarter!)
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Iguazu Falls may have been where they did the photography, but in the field office scene setting up that sequence, Q and Bond are most definitely discussing a tributary of the Amazon. there is a giant map of Brazil behind Q as he talks, focussing on the Amazon, not the coast south of Rio, and when Bond states the name of the tributary, the camera zooms in on a tributary of the Amazon flowing from the south, deep in the interior, to end the scene. A very long way from Rio, and presumably from the field office (which is in arid grasslands, I would have guessed closer to the Argentinan border, not rainforest).
So same niggle is back. Maybe they airlifted Bond's boat to the source of this tributary and he was following it downstream when attacked?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN8avpXNASA
I can't find the field office scene on youtube, but this clip of the boatchase begins a second early, showing the zoomin on the map but not the dialog. I think the river Rogers names is "tipparare" or something like that? its labelled in the map, but I cant quite read the spelling. Anyway, searching for that name in GoogleMaps, while focussed on exactly the area shown, just leads to suggestions "did you mean Tipparary?" (i.e. Ireland)
fixed that for you!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Haha yeah, also I would think after nearly being killed in that little sniper incident, she would be like furious with Georgi. Instead she has no thoughts that maybe he wants her dead and is all excited at the prospect of Bond being a "friend of his"
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Bond saves the day in the helicopter trap and then is super kind towards Natalya. "Here let me help you out" and she like kicks him in the shin and runs away. What was that all about? It's not like in Spectre where Swann was understandably upset that Bond almost got her killed in the chase.
Reminds me of in Goldfinger where Bond is like, "I know what they did to your sister in Miami and I can help you." and Jill is like "No you don't! Let go of me!" and puts up a big struggle.
Why are they making these women so hostile? It doesn't make them seem tougher, just stupider.
I also feel that Natalya could have given Bond a little more complete report on the insider. She mentions Boris, but not Ourumov.
Perhaps she was nervous about naming a top ranking General but still...it seemed like she trusted Bond at that point.
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It's Tilly rather than Jill, and being a lesbian (made clear in the book, though not the film) she presumably doesn't like being handled by a man.
Right idea, wrong pussy. I knew I should have double checked that one.
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- M says Bond's freedom came at too high a price? C'mon Bond is worth at least a 100 Zaos.
- In Cuba, Bond says he needs a fast car and Raoul laughs and nods. Next we see Bond in a 1957 Ford Fairlane.
To me it doesn't seem like this car is particularly fast or particularly slow...it's just a cool classic car. So I don't get the joke why Raoul was so smirky.
- Zao says "But the lasers are real" and then the next time we see Jinx she is unconscious. Did she faint?
Why did Zao boast about the lasers if he planned to shoot her? It was actually Mr. Kil who insisted on using the laser.
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"Better make that two."
However, after rewatching TWINE last night I can safely say that this was not a plot hole. Elektra was never really in much danger since they split up as soon as the parahawks appeared and they only targeted Bond. Renard said as much later at their mission debriefing where it was clear that Bond was the target. Meanwhile, Elektra puts her own spin on it that the parahawks were trying to kill her.
I admit it was still risky as she was caught in an avalanche, but the attack and plot twist was hardly unexplained or overlooked by the filmmakers. Unlike say, Goldeneye, where it is NEVER explained how Ouromov managed to fake kill 006.
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That truly is a tough one. I read somewhere once online that the audience, in addition to Bond, assume the shooting to be real at first. The main explanation is that obviously Ouromov was using a gun filled with blanks. However the big difficulty is that even a blank bullet will still be fatal if fired in such close proximity to the head as seen in the scene. Something about shrapnel from the exploding blank cartridge getting embedded into the unfortunate person. I forget the details but the gist is something like that.
Still, no brain matter or blood appears.
Quickly back in to the barrel
If no brain matter or blood appears when someone is shot, does that mean there are a lot fewer deaths in the Bond films than we are lead to believe?
For example in Octopussy when he shot the guard that intervened in his conversation with Orlov, he at least had blood right between the eyes.
And Alecs ear would still be ringing
to stick a finger in his ear.
Could be worse, could be my .44
I was gonna mention DH2 being an example. In the movie world: blanks=harmless
However, Goldeneye doesn’t allow the blank theory to seem plausible due to Ourmov killing that guard in the same scene.
What really niggles me though is Bond never asks 006 about this little incident. “But Alec, I watched you die. How???” This question never even occurs to Bond for some reason.
Compare this to Moonraker where Bond asks Drax about why he hijacked his own shuttle in midair.
How could Goldeneye overlook such an important detail?
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As I recall Bond had got separated from Alec, then next thing, he saw Alec captured with a gun to his head.
Probably the real Alec was hiding in the shadows, while his plastic surgery double, who'd been at the dam complex with the soviets all along, took the bullet.
After all, as a DoubleOh, Alec had access to all the case files and had been reading up on the diamond caper.
He had reason to read that file in particular, as he was already planning his own Evil Satellite, and wanted to research how others had tried to do that sort of scheme before him ... that's when Alec saw Blofeld had two plastic surgery doubles killed in that precredits sequence, and Bond never suspected the real Blofeld was still alive til halfway through the mission.
If I was an aspiring evil megalomaniac with a job in the DoubleOh office, I'd sure as heck be reading the old case files for inspiration. yes that really should have been an obvious topic of conversation. I think BrosnanBond just wasn't as clever as MooreBond, who was the smartest of all the Bonds. I bet MooreBond would never have been fooled by any of the rather obvious plot-twists in the Brosnan-era movies.
thanks for checking into this. I still think the whole operation looked complex, expensive, and almost as inefficient as the hearse/gondola assassination attempt in Moonraker. And as noted a few pages back, Bonds decision to accompany Elektra on the ski-hill was literally last minute.
(I'm surprised the skis he grabbed even fit, he didn't stop to check them. Even LazenbyBond was smarter!)
nooo, blasphemy!!! what are you, some kind of radical real-life-er?