TWINE reception.

DieAnotherDayDieAnotherDay Glasgow, ScotlandPosts: 460MI6 Agent
I was just checking all of the Bond scores on Rotten Tomatoes when I came across the fact that TWINE only had 51% ....which is 6% lower than TND but more importantly DAD!!! I can't understand this at all because DAD has received nothing but hatred from critics in fans alike over the past few years with many saying it is the absolute worst Bond film where as TWINE is usually just stated to be "an OK Bond film" although some people rate it highly.
Now my complaints may seem strange because DAD is admittedly one of my favourite Bonds but this is purely a personal matter due to the fact I find the film so damn entertaining. Other than pure entertainment value I would easily admit that TWINE is a superior film in every way and I can't help but wonder why it was rated so low back in 1999....or maybe I should ask why was DAD rated so highly??
I've never seen one admissable list on the Internet over the past few years that puts TWINE below DAD. Why have opinions changed so much?
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I would easily admit that TWINE is a superior film in every way and I can't help but wonder why it was rated so low back in 1999

    Agree 100%, and I like most of DAD.
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  • MustonMuston Huncote, Leicestershire Posts: 228MI6 Agent
    TWINE is my favourite Brosnan film. I think he was at his best in it and when he is betrayed by Elektra King is a great Brosnan moment. I believe this film showed what Brosnan could have achieved with the right script.
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  • Le SamouraiLe Samourai Honolulu, HIPosts: 573MI6 Agent
    Muston wrote:
    TWINE is my favourite Brosnan film. I think he was at his best in it and when he is betrayed by Elektra King is a great Brosnan moment. I believe this film showed what Brosnan could have achieved with the right script.

    I second that. TWINE is one of my Top 5 favorite Bond films.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,868Chief of Staff
    I'm not a listmaker, but it's my top Brosnan film and one of my overall favourites. Always has been.
  • DieAnotherDayDieAnotherDay Glasgow, ScotlandPosts: 460MI6 Agent
    It's high on my list as well. Quite a lot of people are partial to it now but that couldn't really of been the case back in the day
    ....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.
  • Mr_OsatoMr_Osato Posts: 398MI6 Agent
    TWINE had some very strong points and some weak points. At least to me. The strong:

    - Brosnan. As often with Bond actors, his third was his best. he is comfortable in his role, he made it his own. Best examples where the killer of the banker in Bilbao and the kill of Electra. I thought he was absolutely excellent and oozed Bond.
    - PTS. Both the scene in Bilbao and in Q's fishing boat where done excellent with a great score from Arnold.
    - Sophie Marceau. She was a great villain. Beautiful, sexy, sensual and dangerous.
    - Ski scene. I am just a sucker for ski-scenes in Bond movies. It was done well, although not of the level of OHMSS.

    Now the weak.

    - locations. What was it, kazachstan? Uzbekistan? ' all the romantic holiday spots' Brosnan mentioned. Except for the beautiful Istanbul, which was underused, the locations where far from spectacular.
    - Christmas Jones. Lara Croft as a nuclear scientist. This explains the negative reviews of course. Made no sense. Still denise is a fox.
    - Rennard. I thought he was quite bland as a main villain. I never thought he was very dangerous. Not imposing at all. Electra was a much better villain.

    All in all, I enjoyed it. GE and TND where better movies, but Brosnan was at its finest in this one.
    OHMSS, FRWL, DN, GF, CR, GE, SP, YOLT, TB, TSWLM, LALD, TLD, TND, FYEO, SF, MR, TMWTGG, TWINE, OP, AVTAK, DAF, LTK, QOS, DAD

    1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore
  • Le SamouraiLe Samourai Honolulu, HIPosts: 573MI6 Agent
    For what it's worth, the late Roger Ebert was a TWINE fan. I recall watching his 'Top 10 of 1999" special, and at one point he mentioned in passing that TWINE would be No. 11.

    Here's his review:
    http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-world-is-not-enough-1999
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  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    DieAnotherDay,

    That's funny because yesterday I was also on rottentomatoes looking up the Brosnan films and feel the exact same way. Not sure why TWINE has such a bad rating!!

    TND and TWINE are just as good as Goldeneye... if not better.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Mr_Osato wrote:
    TWINE had some very strong points and some weak points. At least to me. The strong:

    - Brosnan. As often with Bond actors, his third was his best. he is comfortable in his role, he made it his own. Best examples where the killer of the banker in Bilbao and the kill of Electra. I thought he was absolutely excellent and oozed Bond.
    - PTS. Both the scene in Bilbao and in Q's fishing boat where done excellent with a great score from Arnold.
    - Sophie Marceau. She was a great villain. Beautiful, sexy, sensual and dangerous.
    - Ski scene. I am just a sucker for ski-scenes in Bond movies. It was done well, although not of the level of OHMSS.

    Now the weak.

    - locations. What was it, kazachstan? Uzbekistan? ' all the romantic holiday spots' Brosnan mentioned. Except for the beautiful Istanbul, which was underused, the locations where far from spectacular.
    - Christmas Jones. Lara Croft as a nuclear scientist. This explains the negative reviews of course. Made no sense. Still denise is a fox.
    - Rennard. I thought he was quite bland as a main villain. I never thought he was very dangerous. Not imposing at all. Electra was a much better villain.

    All in all, I enjoyed it. GE and TND where better movies, but Brosnan was at its finest in this one.
    Brosnan has some of his finest moments as Bond in TWINE. Your list of strong and weak points generally matches mine.
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  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    I love the locations in TWINE. Apted wanted to veer far away from the usual exotic spots that have become so common with tourists.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • Le SamouraiLe Samourai Honolulu, HIPosts: 573MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    I love the locations in TWINE. Apted wanted to veer far away from the usual exotic spots that have become so common with tourists.

    I agree. I thought the locations were interesting and different.

    I also agree with your comment "TND and TWINE are just as good as Goldeneye... if not better." I definitely like TWINE the most of the three. I tend to go back and forth between GE and TND, though I tend to find GE overrated and TND underrated.
    —Le Samourai

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  • DieAnotherDayDieAnotherDay Glasgow, ScotlandPosts: 460MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    DieAnotherDay,

    That's funny because yesterday I was also on rottentomatoes looking up the Brosnan films and feel the exact same way. Not sure why TWINE has such a bad rating!!

    TND and TWINE are just as good as Goldeneye... if not better.

    A have a real soft spot for TWINE, I genuinely think it's a very well made film and they used a lot of things to their advantage:
    -Brosnans acting was used well and he was given a tighter, deeper script
    -Locations may not be visually impressive but they are certainly not bad at all. They are the kind of places you would expect to Find terrorists. And I don't know about youse but I find Elektra's manor in Baku very charming.
    CGI - I felt it was used extremely well for 1999 and not all in your face like other movies were starting to do ie. the mummy, Harry potter....DAD. The scenes in the pipeline could of turned out to look just as cheesy as many scenes in DAD but I think it turned out excellent and looks as realistic as possible.

    Plus many more...
    ....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.
  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    I have to say, at the time I enjoyed TWINE a little less than DAD. The latter has an exuberance that made it fun to watch, which I foud a bit lacking in TWINE. As is so often the case in Bond films, the stronger the villain, the more conflict and more jeopardy is created, and I too thought Renard wasn't quite imposing enough, whereas he scenes with the snarling Gustav Graves were very well done. And Miranda Frost s pure class compared to Denise Richards.

    In retrospect though DAD was the weaker film, I've certainly watched it less than TWINE.
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  • Mr MagnussonMr Magnusson Station S - SwedenPosts: 62MI6 Agent
    TWINE is rubbish. All the actors tries to over-acts, Robert Carlyle is totally wasted as a enemy, the writing tries to be pretentious and tries to reach to new heights of intellectual levels but it fails miserably.

    Only AVTAK is worse.
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