Sebastian Faulks - Devil May Care, anyone read it? any views?

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  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    You believe ALL that, Sir Miles? Internet speculation on all those points doesn't equal hard facts.

    Believe all what ? I'm lost as to what you are refering ? ?:)

    IFP don't offer LOTS of money - fact, not internet rumour.

    Child DID say that he would sell Reacher to Cruise...again fact, not internet rumour.

    Hang on - I thought you said Child WOULDN'T sell to Cruise and made some kind of binding, religious-almost pledge???? :s

    IFP don't offer LOTS of money - again, where does this "fact" come? You've seen the contracts (Benson back-in-the pre 97 days expected)? Reckon IFP offer LOTS more than I make, and possibly you make, though I guess you might view it as loose change, though.
  • MustonMuston Huncote, Leicestershire Posts: 228MI6 Agent
    Muston wrote:
    But if you see them as pointless, why read them and give profit to the people you think are milking Bond?

    What Thunderpussy said = can't criticise without reading them 8-)

    When you've had a chance to read more of the continuations , then perhaps you'll agree with my view that the overall quality tends to suggest the project is futile

    Sorry, I'm confused. HAVE you read DMC and Solo?

    Also as far as IFP offering loads of money, how do you know that they do? I remember reading an interview with Gardner who said they didn't pay great money, and Gardner I believe ended up broke despite writing 14 novels for them.
    "Thank you very much. I was just out walking my RAT and seem to have lost my way... "
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    edited October 2013
    Ummm... should I feel bad for enjoying the first five chapters of Faulks' book so far? ?:)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • MustonMuston Huncote, Leicestershire Posts: 228MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Ummm... should I feel bad for enjoying the first five chapters of Faulk's book so far? ?:)

    No, personally I'm looking forward to re-reading DMC. Haven't read it since 2008 so will be good to re-visit it. Look forward to reading your thoughts Chrisisall. Also hurry up and read SOLO. ;)
    "Thank you very much. I was just out walking my RAT and seem to have lost my way... "
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,917Chief of Staff
    Sir Miles wrote:
    You believe ALL that, Sir Miles? Internet speculation on all those points doesn't equal hard facts.

    Believe all what ? I'm lost as to what you are refering ? ?:)

    IFP don't offer LOTS of money - fact, not internet rumour.

    Child DID say that he would sell Reacher to Cruise...again fact, not internet rumour.

    Hang on - I thought you said Child WOULDN'T sell to Cruise and made some kind of binding, religious-almost pledge???? :s

    IFP don't offer LOTS of money - again, where does this "fact" come? You've seen the contracts (Benson back-in-the pre 97 days expected)? Reckon IFP offer LOTS more than I make, and possibly you make, though I guess you might view it as loose change, though.

    Yea I did...bloody auto correct feature on these so called smart phones X-(

    Where do my facts come from..?..from IFP...I have a friend who knows the family....is that good enough for you ?
    YNWA 97
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    is that good enough for you ?
    I have a friend who works for a publisher- he says the money is nothing like the crazy amounts you might believe... so yeah, that's enough for ME. :D
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    A little off topic but I remember reading that most writers don't or can't
    make a living from their writing. So I guess there in not too many big
    pay cheques, except for the celeb kiss and tell stuff.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • MustonMuston Huncote, Leicestershire Posts: 228MI6 Agent
    A little off topic but I remember reading that most writers don't or can't
    make a living from their writing. So I guess there in not too many big
    pay cheques, except for the celeb kiss and tell stuff.

    I also can't see Faulks, Deaver or Boyd struggling for money even before taking on Bond. I honestly believe Boyd wanted to do it for his love of the character. This comes over in SOLO.
    "Thank you very much. I was just out walking my RAT and seem to have lost my way... "
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Muston wrote:
    I also can't see Faulks, Deaver or Boyd struggling for money even before taking on Bond.
    I also can't see any of them taking it on to deliberately produce substandard work.
    These are artists (of varying degrees, of course), guys. Not everyone is gonna like their interpretations. B-)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    edited October 2013
    Muston wrote:
    Muston wrote:
    But if you see them as pointless, why read them and give profit to the people you think are milking Bond?

    What Thunderpussy said = can't criticise without reading them 8-)

    When you've had a chance to read more of the continuations , then perhaps you'll agree with my view that the overall quality tends to suggest the project is futile

    Sorry, I'm confused. HAVE you read DMC and Solo?

    Are YOU aware that people are entitled to differing opinions, and that there's nothing wrong with that????? 8-) As I've said, read some more of the continuations to add to the few you've read so far, then let us know your feelings.

    But I'd strongly suggest you flatten Fleming's THE SPY WHO LOVED ME first, which in another thread you seemed to indicate you'd not got hold of.
  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Sir Miles wrote:

    Believe all what ? I'm lost as to what you are refering ? ?:)

    IFP don't offer LOTS of money - fact, not internet rumour.

    Child DID say that he would sell Reacher to Cruise...again fact, not internet rumour.

    Hang on - I thought you said Child WOULDN'T sell to Cruise and made some kind of binding, religious-almost pledge???? :s

    IFP don't offer LOTS of money - again, where does this "fact" come? You've seen the contracts (Benson back-in-the pre 97 days expected)? Reckon IFP offer LOTS more than I make, and possibly you make, though I guess you might view it as loose change, though.

    Yea I did...bloody auto correct feature on these so called smart phones X-(

    Where do my facts come from..?..from IFP...I have a friend who knows the family....is that good enough for you ?

    It'll have to be, won't it
  • MustonMuston Huncote, Leicestershire Posts: 228MI6 Agent
    Muston wrote:

    What Thunderpussy said = can't criticise without reading them 8-)

    When you've had a chance to read more of the continuations , then perhaps you'll agree with my view that the overall quality tends to suggest the project is futile

    Sorry, I'm confused. HAVE you read DMC and Solo?

    Are YOU aware that people are entitled to differing opinions, and that there's nothing wrong with that????? 8-) As I've said, read some more of the continuations to add to the few you've read so far, then let us know your feelings.

    But I'd strongly suggest you flatten Fleming's THE SPY WHO LOVED ME first, which in another thread you seemed to indicate you'd not got hold of.

    Clearly you're not going to answer the question so I'll assume you haven't read Faulks or Boyd's efforts, in which case you can't really say if they are good or not. And as far as reading a few more continuation novels before I know my feelings, I've read Amis', 4 of Gardners, currently reading Benson's first and have read Faulks, Deaver and Boyd. So I know my feelings towards the continuation series and I'm very glad that IFP are still giving fans the chance to read new Bond novels.
    "Thank you very much. I was just out walking my RAT and seem to have lost my way... "
  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Muston wrote:
    Muston wrote:

    Sorry, I'm confused. HAVE you read DMC and Solo?

    Are YOU aware that people are entitled to differing opinions, and that there's nothing wrong with that????? 8-) As I've said, read some more of the continuations to add to the few you've read so far, then let us know your feelings.

    But I'd strongly suggest you flatten Fleming's THE SPY WHO LOVED ME first, which in another thread you seemed to indicate you'd not got hold of.

    Clearly you're not going to answer the question so I'll assume you haven't read Faulks or Boyd's efforts, in which case you can't really say if they are good or not. And as far as reading a few more continuation novels before I know my feelings, I've read Amis', 4 of Gardners, currently reading Benson's first and have read Faulks, Deaver and Boyd. So I know my feelings towards the continuation series and I'm very glad that IFP are still giving fans the chance to read new Bond novels.

    I don't know where you getting this delusional idea I've not read DMC and SOLO just because I don't rate them and you do????!!!! ?:) 8-)

    It's a simple case of having differing opinions. Just accept it, that's all.
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,917Chief of Staff
    Sir Miles wrote:

    Hang on - I thought you said Child WOULDN'T sell to Cruise and made some kind of binding, religious-almost pledge???? :s

    IFP don't offer LOTS of money - again, where does this "fact" come? You've seen the contracts (Benson back-in-the pre 97 days expected)? Reckon IFP offer LOTS more than I make, and possibly you make, though I guess you might view it as loose change, though.

    Yea I did...bloody auto correct feature on these so called smart phones X-(

    Where do my facts come from..?..from IFP...I have a friend who knows the family....is that good enough for you ?

    It'll have to be, won't it

    I don't know...will it ?

    Seems a funny way to admit you're wrong about this...but that's ok -{
    YNWA 97
  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Sir Miles wrote:

    Yea I did...bloody auto correct feature on these so called smart phones X-(

    Where do my facts come from..?..from IFP...I have a friend who knows the family....is that good enough for you ?

    It'll have to be, won't it

    I don't know...will it ?

    Seems a funny way to admit you're wrong about this...but that's ok -{

    Miles, if you say you've got a friend who knows the Fleming family and they've confirmed to him that they pay peanuts and he's relayed that to you, who am to dispute it?

    Would that I was so well connected, but I'm not.
  • Reading from KoreaReading from Korea Just north of SeoulPosts: 13MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Ummm... should I feel bad for enjoying the first five chapters of Faulks' book so far? ?:)
    I'm listening to it on audiobook and have gotten to the tennis match, I really like how Faulks brings a sport to the mix, I've always thought of Bond as the ultimate sportsman.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I know this will make no sense, but I never thought of Bond as a Tennis player. :D
    Although I agree I do love reading the scenes where Bond defeats a villain at something
    they think they have the upper hand in. -{
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Reading from KoreaReading from Korea Just north of SeoulPosts: 13MI6 Agent
    I know this will make no sense, but I never thought of Bond as a Tennis player. :D
    Although I agree I do love reading the scenes where Bond defeats a villain at something
    they think they have the upper hand in. -{
    We know he can play golf, ski, tennis.. Anything else?
  • Reading from KoreaReading from Korea Just north of SeoulPosts: 13MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Sir Miles wrote:
    is that good enough for you ?
    I have a friend who works for a publisher- he says the money is nothing like the crazy amounts you might believe... so yeah, that's enough for ME. :D
    OT. Hope this is not to blasphemous, are you a Red Sox fan?
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,484MI6 Agent
    No one has to buy these books to have an opinion, they can get them out the library. Unless there's a moratorium on them for six months until they hit the libraries, could be as my copy has not arrived yet....

    The first 100 pages of DMC is alright chrisisall, but then Faulks loses interest, as if to say, okay I've proved I can do this, let's just get it over with.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    OT. Hope this is not to blasphemous, are you a Red Sox fan?
    No, all my sox are white.
    ;)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Reading from KoreaReading from Korea Just north of SeoulPosts: 13MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    OT. Hope this is not to blasphemous, are you a Red Sox fan?
    No, all my sox are white.
    ;)
    Ahhhh ok just wondering..
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    The first 100 pages of DMC is alright
    Wow, that's exactly how far in I am.
    Like Scotty said, I'll let ya know. ;)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • RWIG45RWIG45 Posts: 39MI6 Agent
    I know I liked it. It had the feel of a Fleming Bond as well as the pacing. William Boyd did a good job with SOLO but it felt like it should have been set earlier in 007's career because he didn't seem as experienced as he would have been by 1969.

    Randy
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    The first 100 pages of DMC is alright chrisisall, but then Faulks loses interest, as if to say, okay I've proved I can do this, let's just get it over with.
    I just wanted to say that in retrospect (I finished DMC last month) I actually enjoyed the whole book! Yeah, there were a couple of saw that coming moments, but on the whole it was pretty good IMO! -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    The first 100 pages of DMC is alright chrisisall, but then Faulks loses interest, as if to say, okay I've proved I can do this, let's just get it over with.
    I just wanted to say that in retrospect (I finished DMC last month) I actually enjoyed the whole book! Yeah, there were a couple of saw that coming moments, but on the whole it was pretty good IMO! -{

    The whole book?!? We need to talk :))
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    superado wrote:
    The whole book?!? We need to talk :))
    LOL, yeah, I especially liked the end even though I saw it coming. B-)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 4,137MI6 Agent
    I just read this one

    I thought it was a decent pastiche of Fleming's style, with conspicuous recycling of Fleming phrases, character details, and sentence structure ... though I don't think it added up
    several whole sequences in themselves are Fleming recycled, particularly M's health kick from Thunderball and both the golf game (now tennis) and depressurised aircraft from Goldfinger ... I started to think it was more of a collage of rewritten Fleming scenes rather than an original story with a beginning middle and end.

    the conceit of the period piece I did appreciate, following directly from Golden Gun, it develops Bond's recovery from grief and brainwashing, and M's still not completely trusting him to handle a mission ... it does not acknowledge Colonel Sun, but I think that book was published a year after this one takes place (1967), so it does believably fill in that missing chunk in Bond's career ... as I recall, he's all better by Colonel Sun

    also the plot in many ways foreshadows contemporary issues, with Cold War meddling in the Middle East (specifically the installation of the Shah of Iran) ... I thought it was a good trick, placing this adventure right after Fleming's last yet dealing with the roots of today's conflicts, in theory. As I say, I don't think it really all added up by the end, and it felt more like the story was only half way done when it just sort of stopped.

    speaking of which, much of the last half reads like a road trip, which does not make for an exciting Bond adventure, but I do like reading those kinds of stories (crossing a foreign landscape and dealing with mundane problems like finding food and changing money), John Buchan was really good at that sort of thing ... so the writer loses track of his Fleming pastiche near the end, but turns out he's good at this sort of travel writing.

    theres a big reveal as to the identity of a fellow 00 agent ... I shouldn't spoil that, but I gotta say I spotted 004 as soon as the character was introduced, which is many pages before M reveals there is a new 00 agent ...
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