Never Say Never Again: your detailed review

chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
edited July 2013 in The James Bond Films
Ingredients:
Sean Connery looking very fit for the most part, Douglas Slocombe who photographed Indy, Irvin Kershner fresh off Empire Strikes Back & who directed Connery in the marvelous film Fine Madness, the legendary Vic Armstrong coordinating stunts, story by Fleming.
Mix:
Using sets and locations, blend the ingredients well. Add in Rowan Atkinson to taste.
Cook:
On thirty six million for six months.
Cool Down:
When done assemble the bits with a load of questionable assistant editors, and top off with Legrand's instant score mix, stir DO NOT SHAKE!


Serves millions of undemanding Bond fans.
?:)


Never Say Never Again

This movie had so many possibilities, SO much high octane talent in front of & behind the cameras... what went wrong?
Well, the screenplay by Lorenzo Semple Jr. is a possible starting point. He's best known for the Batman TV series, and while he adds a certain flair to the screenplay, he also adds camp that while not as heavy as what appeared in the earlier Moore films, was there nonetheless.
Irvin Kershner has to be one of the most overrated directors of all time. The man has no sense of pacing a film though he's great with individual scenes. The Empire Strikes Back worked in large part due to a superior screenplay & Lucas' micro-management IMO.
All the actors give it their best, but Kersh is notorious for giving his actors room to improvise, which in this case led them to meander a bit.
The editor (who's most notable work is Field of Dreams, a very slow and NON-action filled film) and his MANY assistants just dropped the ball, wanting to include too many unnecessary shots and even partial scenes to hit the desired 2 hr length. This film might have worked reasonably well at 105 minutes or so.
And Legrand, who's work mostly speaks for itself, delivers a peculiar score- some of it fine, and some of it worthy of the afore mentioned Batman TV series.

In the right frame of mind, this can be a very entertaining Bond outing. Who couldn't love the faux gyroscope/bomb in the cigar case gag? And Barbara Carrera chewing up the scenery and getting blown up for her insane vanity? Awesome.

Still, Octopussy of the same year was miles ahead IMO. Just as silly (if not more so in spots), but it delivered some fine intrigue as well, something NSNA failed totally at.

Bottom line: an unnecessary but entertaining romp due mostly to Connery; big fans of FRWL will be (and were) offended.

4 of 10

Your review?
Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,865Chief of Staff
    ...would pretty much agree with yours!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Worst Bond film.ever. I even prefer QOS over it. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Worst Bond film.ever. I even prefer QOS over it. :))
    I prefer QOS to many. QOS rocks; NSNA is on par with MR.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,865Chief of Staff
    Being of an age to remember the excitement of Connery's return to the role, I was surprised to find that I preferred that year's official entry OP with Moore.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Being of an age to remember the excitement of Connery's return to the role, I was surprised to find that I preferred that year's official entry OP with Moore.
    I was the age as well, but back then, I preferred NSNA, just because it was Connery. Sadly, I have pretty much forsaken the movie. I'll watch TB again in a flash, and give NSNA nary a second thought.
    As far as OP goes, I mostly love it for the adventure & intrigue. It's far from a perfect Bond, but SO totally fun!!! -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,112MI6 Agent
    Connery's energetic performance isn't enough to save this tripe. Give me TB over this anytime
    Have you ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation?"

    " I don't listen to hip hop!"
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    NSNA is a very mixed bag for me.

    Pros: Connery - I welcomed his return and I was pleased that he was fit and in fine form.
    Barbara Carrera - I loved her colorful turn as Fatima Blush. The movie isn't as
    interesting after she meets her demise.
    Klaus Maria Brandauer - To me his quirky Largo is more entertaining than the TB
    version.
    Bernie Casey - My favorite of all Felix Leiters, thus my namesake and avatar.

    Cons: Production - The movie doesn't have the polished, luxurious look of most of the
    EON Bond films.
    Direction - The action scenes, particularly the motorcycle chase, lack that certain
    spark.
    The Score - Dull and uninspiring, especially when compared to the music of John
    Barry.

    Overall I'd rank NSNA as mediocre at best, but I still prefer it to just about every one of the Roger Moore Bonds.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    It'll be your ass, James!
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    It'll be your ass, James!

    I always chuckle at the way Casey says that line, and I think that's exactly the kind of thing Fleming's Felix would say.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Casey rocked. -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I think with NSNA and now with The Craig Bond films, they have the right Chemistry
    between Bond and Leiter. After all They are supposed to be friends, and at least with
    NSNA. I could see both men having a drink and a joke when not on a mission. Where
    in some of the past films, Leiter seemed like a middle aged Cop and you'd wonder
    why Bond would want to spend time with the guy. :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Coming up to its 30 years anniversary. I was in Switzerland on a school trip when the anticipation was building for this and Octopussy during the long hot summer. -{

    It felt like NSNA would be something like True Lies (not that that existed then), sort of sleek, slick and modern. Ah well...
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    NSNA is a very mixed bag for me.

    Pros: Connery - I welcomed his return and I was pleased that he was fit and in fine form.
    Barbara Carrera - I loved her colorful turn as Fatima Blush. The movie isn't as
    interesting after she meets her demise.
    Klaus Maria Brandauer - To me his quirky Largo is more entertaining than the TB
    version.
    Bernie Casey - My favorite of all Felix Leiters, thus my namesake and avatar.

    Cons: Production - The movie doesn't have the polished, luxurious look of most of the
    EON Bond films.
    Direction - The action scenes, particularly the motorcycle chase, lack that certain
    spark.
    The Score - Dull and uninspiring, especially when compared to the music of John
    Barry.

    Overall I'd rank NSNA as mediocre at best, but I still prefer it to just about every one of the Roger Moore Bonds.

    You forgot to mention the pathetic Atari battle and the crappy cruise missile sequences :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:
    NSNA is a very mixed bag for me.

    Pros: Connery - I welcomed his return and I was pleased that he was fit and in fine form.
    Barbara Carrera - I loved her colorful turn as Fatima Blush. The movie isn't as
    interesting after she meets her demise.
    Klaus Maria Brandauer - To me his quirky Largo is more entertaining than the TB
    version.
    Bernie Casey - My favorite of all Felix Leiters, thus my namesake and avatar.

    Cons: Production - The movie doesn't have the polished, luxurious look of most of the
    EON Bond films.
    Direction - The action scenes, particularly the motorcycle chase, lack that certain
    spark.
    The Score - Dull and uninspiring, especially when compared to the music of John
    Barry.

    Overall I'd rank NSNA as mediocre at best, but I still prefer it to just about every one of the Roger Moore Bonds.

    You forgot to mention the pathetic Atari battle and the crappy cruise missile sequences :D

    Well I had to leave something for you to point out, Toys!
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I spent some time putting all my Bond films on to a tablet. There are two however I didn't bother with as I never watch.them, the two films are
    CR67 and NSNA. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • The Domino EffectThe Domino Effect Posts: 3,638MI6 Agent
    I actually watched this again a few weeks ago when my wife said she'd never seen it. I really don't know when the last time I saw it prior to that was, but I'm guessing 20 years ago. I knew I hadn't liked it much but viewed it again with an open mind - except for the score which I remember was teeth-grindingly bad. Well, I was blown away. It was way way waaaay worse than I had remembered. There's very little about it that I like even considering that is 80s vintage and they weren't able to use the signature Bond music, phrases etc. Connery looked like he was a drag queen dressed as a man, the theme song is the worst since "The Wild Geese" and the special effects (thpethial effects?) and music were horrifically bad. My only highlights would be being able to look at Kim Bassinger for a couple of hours and Rowan Atkinson's small part.
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    geez maybe I should stop reading these reviews because I actually really enjoy NSNA ... :#
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    Not as good as Thunderball but Connery looked great.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Now you're just trolling, WG! Though not as fat as in DAF, he'd lost something. His toupee looked like a toupee in every scene, he had this awful permatan, and he no longer had that alpha male air about him. He has a stately, courtly attitude towards the women, almost embarrassed. In one shot only, a press shot, he had the look of Cary Grant in his wonderful summer movies, but he even trimmed his eyebrows, which removed a big part of his appeal. I think the classic black and white shot of him released early does show him with the original eybebrows and is all the better for it.

    His threads in the film are naff, dressing gowns, dungarees, bland suits. One nice light suit in Nassau when he meets Rowan Atkinson however.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    I agree.But he looks better here than he did in DAF.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    -{ here I agree, WG.

    Even Roger Bond in AVTAK looked better than Connery in DAF :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:
    -{ here I agree, WG.

    Even Roger Bond in AVTAK looked better than Connery in DAF :D

    Now that's really stretching it! :#
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Every time I'd watch NSNA, I'd always have fun with it until the moment where Bond goes after Largo underwater after the cavern fight... from there to the end it seems like another half hour... :s
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,112MI6 Agent
    I'd like to retract my last statement about NSNA being a load of tripe. The part in the casino where Bond tricks the doorman into thinking that his cigarette case is a bomb so the guy stays completely still was good, I liked the cavern fight. It's good to see Felix participating in the fighting instead of just being a man of intel. wish they'd do that often.
    Have you ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation?"

    " I don't listen to hip hop!"
  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    That cigarette case/bomb gag is the highlight of the film.

    But imo Klaus Maria Brandeuer overacts like crazy and never seems menacing as a Bond villain.

    It does go to prove that EON production values + familiar ingredients (music, gun barrel) + spending your big budget wisely, all add up to a classier film in Octopussy.
    "How was your lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathises."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    But imo Klaus Maria Brandeuer overacts like crazy and never seems menacing as a Bond villain.
    It *DID* seem like one solid punch in his face would have ended the mission, eh? :))
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • DelicatessenInSteelDelicatessenInSteel Posts: 181MI6 Agent
    It was way way waaaay worse than I had remembered. Connery looked like he was a drag queen dressed as a man, the theme song is the worst since "The Wild Geese" and the special effects (thpethial effects?) and music were horrifically bad.

    That's about right, I remember seeing this thing when I was 12, and was wondering why the heck James Bond is wearing Blue Eyeshadow.
    1.MoonRaker 2.OHMSS 3.LALD 4.OP 5.FYEO 6.DR. NO 7.YOLT 8.LTK 9.CR 10.AVTAK
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    That's about right, I remember seeing this thing when I was 12, and was wondering why the heck James Bond is wearing Blue Eyeshadow.
    Yeah, that annoyed the freakin' hell out of me too, in certain scenes.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia, PAPosts: 754MI6 Agent
    I can only imagine being alive during the Battle of the Bonds. Were most people disappointed at the time when both came out or satisfied? In retrospect, both Octopussy and NSNA are seen pretty negatively though NSNA tends to get panned more.

    There are parts I like, but then other mind-numbingly bad parts. Why o Why is Connery wearing denim overalls!!!!!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Why o Why is Connery wearing denim overalls!!!!!
    To get laid.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
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