Bond 24 score

jamesm123

Imagine, I know it will never happen, but how amazing would it be if they collated all the Barry scores and used bits here and there for the movie score. Could be half Thomas Newman/David Arnold or all John Barry. I think if they made sure it was mastered and eq'ed the same it would work.

blame_thatcher

No, I don't want to imagine that.

Barbel

There are a few good reasons why that's unlikely, and I'm sure that either Newman or Arnold will be doing the whole score (bar the title song). As I've said before, I'd love to hear Arnold back but Sam Mendes may insist on Newman.

On YouTube there are many examples of rescored Bond scenes which may be of interest, and of course there's always "Never Say McClory Again" )

jamesm123

Of course I realise it would never, ever happen, I was just having fun. And as for your comment, blame thatcher, cheer up! What would you like? A duet with Billy Bragg and Neil Kinnock for the title song?

HowardB

Mendes will probably bring back Newman. I'd prefer Arnold as I believe his scores for CR and QOS were his best work.
Here's a plug for a little known newcomer, Italian born but Hollywood based Daniele Luppi. I don't know if anyone here is familiar with the Starz show "Magic City" which is essentially about gangsters, hoteliers, etc in Miami Beach in 1960. Luppi composes the score and it is very Bond-like and Barryesce. In fact the title sequence is very obviously influenced by Binder and the Bond films.

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Arnold himself stated that he knew Mendes would get Newman for Skyfall, so there's no chance we'll see him back while Mendes is at the helm. I'd love to see Michael Giacchino do the score! Just look at his music for the 09' Star Trek and The Incredibles. (Perferribly with Brad Bird directing?)

jasper_lamar_crabb

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I'd love to see Michael Giacchino do the score! Just look at his music for the 09' Star Trek and The Incredibles.

Giacchino's music is mostly bland and derivative. Like most Hollywood composers these days his work pales into insignificance compared to the great composers of yesteryear.

Thunderpussy

I agree that Mendes will probably bring back T Newman. Although I like many
would love to hear the return of D Arnold.

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jasper_lamar_crabb wrote:

screename wrote:

I'd love to see Michael Giacchino do the score! Just look at his music for the 09' Star Trek and The Incredibles.

Giacchino's music is mostly bland and derivative. Like most Hollywood composers these days his work pales into insignificance compared to the great composers of yesteryear.

I feel strongly inclined to disagree and question what scores you've listened to . I strongly recommend the Incredibles soundtrack. Sounds just like a Bond score!

jasper_lamar_crabb

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I feel strongly inclined to disagree and question what scores you've listened to . I strongly recommend the Incredibles soundtrack. Sounds just like a Bond score!

I have been collecting film scores for over 20 years. I have most of the Bond soundtracks plus most of the great works from the great composers (e.g. Goldsmith, Herrmann, Williams etc). I do have the Incredibles soundtrack and it's a fun listen, but the reason why it sounds just like a Bond score is because the main theme is simply a parody of the OHMSS theme and some of the other cues are are also parodies of famous pieces by John Barry.

Giacchino is good at imitating other composers but he doesn't have a voice of his own and his compositions and orchestrations are often quite mechanical. He also suffers from the same problem that most of today's hacks have, which is an over-reliance on ostinatos at the expense of genuine theme and motif development and implementation.

Giacchino's popularity says more about the poor state of film music today than his own talents and abilities.

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Then I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. I personally think that Bond has it's own sound that after Mr. Barry's retirement should be copied and emulated by his succeeding composers. But I understand a want to have a composers own voice for a film.

Stawaz

jasper_lamar_crabb wrote:

I have been collecting film scores for over 20 years. I have most of the Bond soundtracks plus most of the great works from the great composers (e.g. Goldsmith, Herrmann, Williams etc). I do have the Incredibles soundtrack and it's a fun listen, but the reason why it sounds just like a Bond score is because the main theme is simply a parody of the OHMSS theme and some of the other cues are are also parodies of famous pieces by John Barry.
Giacchino is good at imitating other composers but he doesn't have a voice of his own and his compositions and orchestrations are often quite mechanical. He also suffers from the same problem that most of today's hacks have, which is an over-reliance on ostinatos at the expense of genuine theme and motif development and implementation.
Giacchino's popularity says more about the poor state of film music today than his own talents and abilities.

You're kidding, right? Giacchino's scores are unreal. If you want a taste of his own voice, just take a listen at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq3eRXmboC4. I'd say that Giacchino, David Arnold and John Williams are the top 3 composers of film today. Giacchino would make a perfect Bond composer. I suppose you have a right to your opinion, but in this case, it's just dead wrong, collector of scores for 20 years or not.

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HowardB

Call me unsophisticated or unoriginal but I want a score that is derivative of John Barry. The score should fit the film and the Barry scores set a certain tone .....his musical cues and themes are part of the Bond canon. Arnold's best scores, IMO are CR and QOS (QOS is hampered a bit by an awful theme song that Arnold had nothing to do with that was better left unincorporated into the score) were the one's that sounded most like a classic Barry score. Whoever scores Bond 24 needs to leave their "artist" ego at the door and do something in the Barry style. Got that off my chest and I feel better now

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My thoughts exactly. That was my main problem with Newman. He's a very good composer and more than capable to compose in that style but He and Mendes chose not to.

Stawaz

I've got to say my favourite Arnold score is TND. Not to say that "Everything after his first sucked" because I loved all of Arnold's scores (Minus TWINE, it was a little bit too electronic for me), and I think TND had it perfect in both the gunbarrel score, which I think is the best in the series, the action music, look up "Hamburg break in/break out/driving to paris" and listen to the whole thing, it's brilliant.

Thatonesecretagentguy

jasper_lamar_crabb wrote:

screename wrote:

I feel strongly inclined to disagree and question what scores you've listened to . I strongly recommend the Incredibles soundtrack. Sounds just like a Bond score!

I have been collecting film scores for over 20 years. I have most of the Bond soundtracks plus most of the great works from the great composers (e.g. Goldsmith, Herrmann, Williams etc). I do have the Incredibles soundtrack and it's a fun listen, but the reason why it sounds just like a Bond score is because the main theme is simply a parody of the OHMSS theme and some of the other cues are are also parodies of famous pieces by John Barry.

Giacchino is good at imitating other composers but he doesn't have a voice of his own and his compositions and orchestrations are often quite mechanical. He also suffers from the same problem that most of today's hacks have, which is an over-reliance on ostinatos at the expense of genuine theme and motif development and implementation.

Giacchino's popularity says more about the poor state of film music today than his own talents
and abilities.

Dude, HowardB has it right. Isn't the reason all of us Bond fans loved the scores to CR and QoS, BECAUSE of how similar to John Barry it sounded? The point if getting Giacchino to do the score would be exactly that. You said yourself that Giachinno was good at imitation. Don't think you're the only musician on here pal. Many of us want back the sexy, brassy music and Giachinno could totally do that. He'd sure as heck be better than Newman. At least Giachinno could give us melody and some motif.

Thatonesecretagentguy

HowardB wrote:

Call me unsophisticated or unoriginal but I want a score that is derivative of John Barry. The score should fit the film and the Barry scores set a certain tone .....his musical cues and themes are part of the Bond canon. Arnold's best scores, IMO are CR and QOS (QOS is hampered a bit by an awful theme song that Arnold had nothing to do with that was better left unincorporated into the score) were the one's that sounded most like a classic Barry score. Whoever scores Bond 24 needs to leave their "artist" ego at the door and do something in the Barry style. Got that off my chest and I feel better now

agreed sir, agreed.

WordsAndDreams

When I saw Zero Dark Thirty, this piece by Alexandre Desplat immediately made me think of early Bond (Thunderball/YOLT era):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvsYgmZ_DU

Also, I think Lorne Balfe would be great. He's worked a lot with Hans Zimmer, and his work on AC3 was especially pretty good.

Anyway, it'll probably be Newman again, but there are a lot of great composers out there that could make a great Bond score.

jasper_lamar_crabb

What I was trying to say in the nicest way possible is that Giacchino is not much more than a hack whose success and popularity would be totally unwarranted if it weren't for the fact that film music in general has been in a bad place for the last 5-10 years. By all means enjoy his scores, but let's not make claims about his talents that are unfounded.

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Yeah, I just lost all faith that you knew anything about good music and composition.

Thatonesecretagentguy

jasper_lamar_crabb wrote:

What I was trying to say in the nicest way possible is that Giacchino is not much more than a hack whose success and popularity would be totally unwarranted if it weren't for the fact that film music in general has been in a bad place for the last 5-10 years. By all means enjoy his scores, but let's not make claims about his talents that are unfounded.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, that's true. But the general consensus seems to be that Giaccino is a good composer. He isn't brilliant, he isn't God, he's just good. He's good at imitation which is why I would think he'd be an obvious choice. We liked David Arnold because he sounded like Barry.
If you don't find Giaccino appealing, then who do YOU suggest?

Gassy Man

WordsAndDreams wrote:

When I saw Zero Dark Thirty, this piece by Alexandre Desplat immediately made me think of early Bond (Thunderball/YOLT era):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvsYgmZ_DU

Also, I think Lorne Balfe would be great. He's worked a lot with Hans Zimmer, and his work on AC3 was especially pretty good.

Anyway, it'll probably be Newman again, but there are a lot of great composers out there that could make a great Bond score.

That track does have a Barry-esque quality to it.

Most of the film composers these days underwhelm me, so I'm not sure that I would want any of them so much as someone else who can bring both the proper melodic qualities and the gravitas that a Bond soundtrack should have.