Most Disturbing and Saddening Death

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  • Colonel ShatnerColonel Shatner Chavtastic Bristol, BritainPosts: 574MI6 Agent
    Fridge Horror. And what were her final words?!

    'Osato!! HEEELAIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeee!!!'

    And the genuinely horrified, shocked look on Osato's face sells the scene as well.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,486MI6 Agent
    Not sure we are meant to infer it's Helga's bone that's on a rope.

    I was joking about Ms Field's promiscuity.

    I'll cut yer ears off, Shatner! :))
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  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    All these postings just reinforce the point that I think most of the general non-Bondofiles really miss...Bond lives and has lived a brutal life. I always was amazed at how they were able to take such a somewhat tragic character and transform him in such a way as to make him so entertaining by focusing on everything BUT the tragic nature of his work (the gadgets, sex, food, travel, fast pacing, etc.) and by doing so also making him more acceptable to a larger, international demographic. It was certainly shrewd, commercial filmmaking at its best and still is. It's only when the films (and more especially the novels) are examined with a cold eye that one understands the violent life Bond has to engage in and in reality is something I for one would certainly not want to do. The fun over the years was fantasizing about having his single, high living playboy lifestyle outside his job (all upside-no downsides). That's why when we see innocents or even non innocents get brutally dispatched in these films we are shocked and taken outside the general entertainment of the film. It's like a cold slap in the face - rather like the fun of watching people enjoying a quasi-dangerous amusement park ride when suddenly someone gets badly injured or killed. In the past (particularly with the villains) the violence was candy coated with Bond's dark humor (.."I think he got the point", etc.) and they did a nolstalgic reference to these with the komodo dragon scene in SF. Now that the world keeps gettting smaller and with each year we see more violent acts (and so keep having our innocent complacency chipped away at) in the news everyday, it's a bit harder to candy coat. Craigs rebooted films are a reflection of that. By keeping them contemporary, they have bowed to the dangerous realities of our modern world, and by doing so, have strangely turned the clock back to the violent realities of Fleming's Bond. Watching the grotesque end of a cold hearted, ego-maniac like Goldfinger getting squeezed out of a plane window gives us a smug, satisfying, big smile. Watching Le Chiffre get terrorized by the warlord in the hotel room and then dispatched with a bullet to the head, somehow doesn't bring about the same reaction. It's one of the reason's many dislike the turn the series has taken - a more realistic one. They miss the candy coated popcorn, peanuts and a prize of the old series (especially the big spectacles and most of the Moore entries). They don't WANT to see characters they begin to like such as Fields or Mathis exit from the films in such a cold hearted, brutal fashion. However, in some of the films (and even more so in Craig's) they are a reminder of the life Bond lives and why his character has to live with his "armour on" most of the time.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,486MI6 Agent
    An excellent post, CmdrAtticus. -{
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    All these postings just reinforce the point that I think most of the general non-Bondofiles really miss...Bond lives and has lived a brutal life. I always was amazed at how they were able to take such a somewhat tragic character and transform him in such a way as to make him so entertaining by focusing on everything BUT the tragic nature of his work (the gadgets, sex, food, travel, fast pacing, etc.) and by doing so also making him more acceptable to a larger, international demographic. It was certainly shrewd, commercial filmmaking at its best and still is. It's only when the films (and more especially the novels) are examined with a cold eye that one understands the violent life Bond has to engage in and in reality is something I for one would certainly not want to do. The fun over the years was fantasizing about having his single, high living playboy lifestyle outside his job (all upside-no downsides). That's why when we see innocents or even non innocents get brutally dispatched in these films we are shocked and taken outside the general entertainment of the film. It's like a cold slap in the face - rather like the fun of watching people enjoying a quasi-dangerous amusement park ride when suddenly someone gets badly injured or killed. In the past (particularly with the villains) the violence was candy coated with Bond's dark humor (.."I think he got the point", etc.) and they did a nolstalgic reference to these with the komodo dragon scene in SF. Now that the world keeps gettting smaller and with each year we see more violent acts (and so keep having our innocent complacency chipped away at) in the news everyday, it's a bit harder to candy coat. Craigs rebooted films are a reflection of that. By keeping them contemporary, they have bowed to the dangerous realities of our modern world, and by doing so, have strangely turned the clock back to the violent realities of Fleming's Bond. Watching the grotesque end of a cold hearted, ego-maniac like Goldfinger getting squeezed out of a plane window gives us a smug, satisfying, big smile. Watching Le Chiffre get terrorized by the warlord in the hotel room and then dispatched with a bullet to the head, somehow doesn't bring about the same reaction. It's one of the reason's many dislike the turn the series has taken - a more realistic one. They miss the candy coated popcorn, peanuts and a prize of the old series (especially the big spectacles and most of the Moore entries). They don't WANT to see characters they begin to like such as Fields or Mathis exit from the films in such a cold hearted, brutal fashion. However, in some of the films (and even more so in Craig's) they are a reminder of the life Bond lives and why his character has to live with his "armour on" most of the time.

    Sir - once again you have provided thoughful insight into an issue that is often just glossed over. Well done! -{
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  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    It's one of the reason's many dislike the turn the series has taken - a more realistic one. They miss the candy coated popcorn, peanuts and a prize of the old series (especially the big spectacles and most of the Moore entries). They don't WANT to see characters they begin to like such as Fields or Mathis exit from the films in such a cold hearted, brutal fashion. However, in some of the films (and even more so in Craig's) they are a reminder of the life Bond lives and why his character has to live with his "armour on" most of the time.

    Sir - once again you have provided thoughful insight into an issue that is often just glossed over. Well done! -{

    Thanks. Sometimes I think my diatribes go on a bit and cover well trodded soil, but I'm always interested in exploring all the different aspects of the Bond films and novels in depth.
  • Colonel ShatnerColonel Shatner Chavtastic Bristol, BritainPosts: 574MI6 Agent
    edited August 2013
    Great post, CmdrAtticus, but break up the paragraph.
    Not sure we are meant to infer it's Helga's bone that's on a rope.

    I always thought that very briefly seen (or imagined) thing floating to the surface of the bubbling surface was either Brandt's head or another body fragment (ugh).
    I was joking about Ms Field's promiscuity.

    I'll cut yer ears off, Shatner! :))

    Yeah, but that sentiment about female promiscuity being punished was a strong theme in Psycho and in similar slasher films in the 70s and 80s (and parodied in The Cabin in the Woods).

    Either way Strawberry Fields was a genuine innocent and came across like a MI6 intern and ineffectually acting tough, behaving like a 16 year old girl going backpacking oversees (and Fields was only slightly older). And she was given a PG-13/12 friendly death by ending up a vague shiny black shape on the bed - still nasty, but more of a weird comic book style death. In real life Fields' death at the hands of real life gangsters (or terror cell members) would be too horrible to put into words. It seemed like she was put into unnecessary danger by a thoughtless M. An expendable honey trap.

    Aki's death was also unavoidably sad, but she was more of a soldier/enforcer for Tiger, and knew what she signed up for. The tragic Tracy was the daughter of a major crime boss and so exposed to more potential danger from the onset. Bond's snarky jibe after Severine got shot seemed tasteless, but Severine was also a soldier/enforcer herself, this time for the enemy (and that goes triple for Onatopp, Volpe, Brandt, and Mayday). Elektra King was a unhinged criminal mastermind who was going to kill hundreds of thousands.
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  • StrangewaysStrangeways London, UKPosts: 1,469MI6 Agent
    Loving this thread. How about Lisl's death in FYEO, made all the worse due to the fact that she was Mrs Brosnan who also tragically died prematurely in real life.
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Loving this thread. How about Lisl's death in FYEO, made all the worse due to the fact that she was Mrs Brosnan who also tragically died prematurely in real life.

    yes.... I was drawing a blank on FYEO but the Havelocks and Lisl were both really sad.
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  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,112MI6 Agent
    Ferrara's death was really sad. It was really sad to see him slumped over in the car and seeing the look of sadness and rage on Bond's face, the payoff later on in the film was awesome. Conti's score seems really outdated but i think he got it right in this scene
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  • Colonel ShatnerColonel Shatner Chavtastic Bristol, BritainPosts: 574MI6 Agent
    Going back to Ali Kerim Bey, the impact of his death was very severe not only because of the eeriness of Bond stumbling upon Bey's body after Red Grant paid Bey a visit (not witnessing the murder) but (as with Mathis, Aki, and Vijay) he also spent half the movie being a very likable and affectionate ally. Ali Kerim Bey (like the aforementioned others) gets genuinely missed.
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  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    Not only that, but I'd also say that Kerim Bey's death was the only one that really seemed to genuinely jar Connery's Bond, or at least jar him the most, given that he's trying to keep everything bottled up.
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  • Colonel ShatnerColonel Shatner Chavtastic Bristol, BritainPosts: 574MI6 Agent
    Although I overlooked it the first time round and brought up by others, when you dwell on Severine's death, that's as incredibly sad as the aforementioned deaths as well.
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  • Mr MagnussonMr Magnusson Station S - SwedenPosts: 62MI6 Agent
    The one that always brings a tear in my eye and a lump in my throat is Vespers death.
    When Bond is struggling with all power he got she just leans back in the lift and we can see how all life just disappears from her. It is so sad to know that Bond just shuts of in that very moment.
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  • Mr_OsatoMr_Osato Posts: 398MI6 Agent
    Most sad I would say Kerim Bey. He really seemed the kind of guy you would like to have as a best friend, especially for the young Bond. A father figure, someone he looked up to.

    The most disturbing one, is probably the death of Corinne in MR. Beautifully filmed also with a great score.
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  • Colonel ShatnerColonel Shatner Chavtastic Bristol, BritainPosts: 574MI6 Agent
    edited August 2013
    When Bond is struggling with all power he got she just leans back in the lift and we can see how all life just disappears from her.

    Yes, Vesper Lynd drowning to death looked painfully protracted (like Aki dry drowning from the poison). As legitimately sad as Tracy and Severine both being shot in the head also was, at least both instances looked swift and painless.

    Speaking of Severine, a lot of people seemed put off by how quickly she was killed and Bond's pithy remark. Severine was no conventional damsel in distress (see how she calmly orchestrates a brutal assassination) yet it was heart breaking looking into her hardened, stoic face (with desperate eyes) when she was waiting to be shot.

    More subtle than shrieking women in distress in much more violently graphic horror movies, but somehow it's worse...
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  • Mr MagnussonMr Magnusson Station S - SwedenPosts: 62MI6 Agent
    Well Craigs reaction when Severine dies sells it for me. His expression contains anger and disgust but that is feelings that he can't show, because Silva does all these things just to break Bond and get the upper hand. So as a distraction Bond lays a quip and then kills the guards.

    A brilliant scene!
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  • Colonel ShatnerColonel Shatner Chavtastic Bristol, BritainPosts: 574MI6 Agent
    Well Bond was not in a position to really save her, he had to wait for Silva and his mooks to lower their guard after he fired his sporting pistol.

    Some people mention Pierce Brosnan's poor wife, but another much more recent death I was surprisingly gutted was the unfortunate suicide of Angela Scoular (one of Blofeld's more memorable ladies in OHMSS). She was only 65. :'(
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  • Oni AlexanderOni Alexander Baltimore, USAPosts: 9MI6 Agent
    I would say,

    Quarrel - I really liked his character and it was painful to see him die.

    Kerim Bay - A great character whose death was anti climatic

    Vijay - I really liked this guy, what a pity.

    But the most disturbing death scenes of all would have to be the brutal murder of the coal miners by Max Zorin and his henchman. Shooting them mercilessly while laughing just sends shivers down my spine every time I watch that scene. :#
  • L JonesL Jones Posts: 131MI6 Agent
    DN: Quarrel being burned alive on Crab Key after Bond and Leiter teased him about being afraid to go to the island

    FRWL: Kerim Bey's death really bummed me out

    GF: Both Jill and Tilly Masterson - both sisters! Jeez!

    TB: Dominque's discovery that her brother was dead.

    YOLT: Poor Aki - why? Why did they kill her off? She was one of my favorite Bond ladies.

    OHMSS: I cried for nearly five minutes after that last shot of Bond crying over Tracy's death.

    DAF: Sorry, but I couldn't think of anyone.

    LALD: I found Kanaga's death rather cruel.

    TMWTGG: Andrea Anders - poor woman only wanted to be free.

    TSWLM: The death of the British sailor was rather sad; and Stromberg's death was very violent and disturbing.

    MR: Corine Dufour's death is probably the most disturbing death in the franchise.

    FYEO: The murders of Melina Havelock's parents was very brutal and emotional

    OP: Poor Vijay! It was hard seeing him killed.

    AVTAK: The deaths of Tibbet and May Day's friends were hard to watch.

    TLD: Saunders' death was a bit brutal, especially after he and Bond managed to become friendly

    LTK: Oh my God! The horror of the bodies that racked up - Della Leiter, Sharkey and Milton Krest's deaths were the worst.

    GE: The Severnaya massacre. End of story.

    TND: Paris Carver's death was hard.

    TWINE: Valentin Zukovsky's death was very hard. At least he saved Bond before kicking it.

    DAD: General Moon - he was basically a decent man saddled with a rotten son.

    CR: Vesper Lynd's death was heartbreaking to watch . . . and rather creepy.

    QOS: Poor Mathis! Poor Mathis! It was hard to watch him die.

    SF: I hated to watch "M" die. I would have preferred if she had retired.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,102Chief of Staff
    L Jones wrote:

    TB: Dominique's discovery that her brother was dead.

    YOLT: Poor Aki - why? Why did they kill her off? She was one of my favorite Bond ladies.

    DAF: Sorry, but I couldn't think of anyone.

    SF: I hated to watch "M" die. I would have preferred if she had retired.

    TB: Paula's death was quite affecting.

    YOLT: Cos she was the obligatory sacrificial lamb. Kissy is in the book, and takes over the leading lady role.

    DAF: Poor Plenty...

    SF: M's death was the whole point!
  • L JonesL Jones Posts: 131MI6 Agent
    TB: Paula's death was quite affecting.
    YOLT: Cos she was the obligatory sacrificial lamb. Kissy is in the book, and takes over the leading lady role.
    DAF: Poor Plenty...
    SF: M's death was the whole point!


    M's death was the whole point of what? This is one of the reasons why I think that SKYFALL was crap.

    I did not mourn Plenty O'Toole. She was a terrible character portrayed by a bad actress.

    They should have made Mie Ama the sacrificial lamb and allowed Akiko Wakabayashi to be the leading lady in the end.

    Paula was just . . . there to me.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,102Chief of Staff
    L Jones wrote:
    M's death was the whole point of what? This is one of the reasons why I think that SKYFALL was crap.

    I did not mourn Plenty O'Toole. She was a terrible character portrayed by a bad actress.

    They should have made Mie Ama the sacrificial lamb and allowed Akiko Wakabayashi to be the leading lady in the end.

    Paula was just . . . there to me.

    M's death was the whole point of SF.

    Plenty was indeed a terrible character & a bad actress.

    Mie Hama & Akiko Wakabayashi switched roles early on, owing to language problems.

    Paula's death was more affecting than Domino's grief over her brother.
  • Colonel ShatnerColonel Shatner Chavtastic Bristol, BritainPosts: 574MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Mie Hama & Akiko Wakabayashi switched roles early on, owing to language problems.

    Apparently Hama threatened to throw herself out a high upstairs window when facing the chop.
    Paula's death was more affecting than Domino's grief over her brother.

    I nearly forgot about that (with Connery's dismayed expression similar to when he looked upon the corpses of Ali Kerim Bey, Aki, and the Materson sisters).
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  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia, PAPosts: 754MI6 Agent
    Watching AVTAK on Encore right now. Knowing that Tibbett's death is coming is making me sad :(
  • ZorinIndustriesZorinIndustries United StatesPosts: 837MI6 Agent
    edited September 2013
    DN --- Clearly Quarrel, as he was one of the most helpful Bond allies throughout the past fifty years. It was very sad seeing him go after he had done so much for Bond, like fetching his shoes.
    FRWL --- Kerim Bay was a heartbreaker for me. By far my favorite Bond ally of the series.
    GF --- Jill Masterson. If it wasn't for Bond, she wouldn't have gotten killed. However, it did produce one of the most iconic deaths in cinema history.
    TB --- Paula because she killed herself before they could get anything out of her. Always loyal to the mission. Pretty woman, too.
    YOLT --- Aki was a very significant loss in the film. Up until that point, the audience was led on to believe she would be the main Bond girl of the film. I still believe that to this day, but it just wasn't the same after her death. Aki was a great aid to Bond and she should've been kept around longer.
    OHMSS --- Everybody and their brother would say Tracy here, so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the MI-6 agent who was beaten to death and hung upside-down on a rope. It was a very gruesome death for such an innocent agent.
    DAF --- Mrs. Wheeler (Name?) because the poor lady was a teacher. Yes, she was involved in something she shouldn't have been, but the recovery of her body from the river was very disturbing for me.
    LALD --- Not necessarily a death, but I always feel so bad for JW's brother when he gets knocked out. Poor guy's just working on his boat, doing his job, and out of nowhere... Whack!
    TMWTGG --- I always had a soft spot for Nick Nack. When he got locked away in the cage, my eyes watered up a bit. (Not really) Even he was a little s***, it was sad to see him locked up like that.
    TSWLM --- Fekkish showed more terror than any character I've seen. I could see it in his eyes and I just felt so bad for the guy.
    MR --- Without Corrine, Bond would be lost on his mission. It was sad to see her killed off because she was so loyal to him.
    FYEO --- Malena's parents. Mr. Havelock was just a man doing his job, something he was interested in. The both of them got assassinated and my heart broke for Malena.
    OP --- Vijay was always a good ally to Bond, very sad to see him killed so brutally. John Glen did a good job portraying his death, however.
    AVTAK --- Sir Gottfrey Tibbett. I have a weak spot for Bond's allies, as you can tell.
    TLD --- Saunders, go figure.
    LTK --- Everybody would probably say Milton Krest's head explosion would be the most disturbing death, but I feel that the guy who Lupe was cheating on Franz with got the worst. "What did he promise you, his heart? ...Give her his heart." The screaming in that scene is cringe-worthy.
    GE --- Poor Boris. The man thought he was invincible up until the very end of the film. He'll always be invincible in my heart :'(
    TND --- Paris knew what she got herself into. Bond tried stopping her, but Paris insisted on it. When Kauffman describes how hard she struggled, I start to feel so disturbed.
    TWINE --- Elektra was difficult to watch. It was tough for Bond to do, and I questioned him at first, but it's what was right for the mission in the end.
    DAD --- Colonel Moon's father... it's always sad to see a son murder his own father.
    CR --- VESPER! I CRIED!
    QoS --- The story of Camille's family and how they were murdered always disturbed me. Glad she got revenge.
    SF --- Severine's death was an emotional one for me for two reasons. 1) I really felt for the character and I'm sad it had to come to an end the way it did. 2) I think Berenice Marlohe had a wonderful performance and Logan, Purvis, and Wade should've kept her on a bit longer. I think she deserved way more screentime.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I concur on every one! -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    I concur on every one! -{

    What???? Nick Nack? JW's brother? They didn't even die! 8-)
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,102Chief of Staff
    OHMSS --- I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the MI-6 agent who was beaten to death and hung upside-down on a rope. It was a very gruesome death for such an innocent agent.
    DAF --- Mrs. Wheeler (Name?) because the poor lady was a teacher.
    AVTAK --- Sir Gottfrey Tibbett. I have a weak spot for Bond's villains, as you can tell.

    OHMSS - The agent was called Campbell- in the novel his first name is Shaun, which naturally isn't mentioned in the movie.
    DAF - The teacher is Mrs. Whistler; I believe her son painted her portrait once...
    AVTAK - Tibbett wasn't a villain!
  • ZorinIndustriesZorinIndustries United StatesPosts: 837MI6 Agent
    Whoops! Thanks for pointing that out!
    Barbel wrote:
    OHMSS --- I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the MI-6 agent who was beaten to death and hung upside-down on a rope. It was a very gruesome death for such an innocent agent.
    DAF --- Mrs. Wheeler (Name?) because the poor lady was a teacher.
    AVTAK --- Sir Gottfrey Tibbett. I have a weak spot for Bond's villains, as you can tell.

    OHMSS - The agent was called Campbell- in the novel his first name is Shaun, which naturally isn't mentioned in the movie.
    DAF - The teacher is Mrs. Whistler; I believe her son painted her portrait once...
    AVTAK - Tibbett wasn't a villain!
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