OHMSS Trilby
Gebruder Gumbold
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Cheers All,
Found a great site: thesuitsofjamesbond.com. Browsed for quite a while.
For years, I am trying to replicate all things OHMSS besides the DBS (OHMSSDBS.com)
So, can anyone tell me exactly which Trilby Lazenby wore in the gunbarrel? I think, from looking at Lockhatters.co.uk, that it is a Navy Voyager, with a 2 1/4" brim. Do you agree??
I know that the brown Trilby is the Connery (and FYEO Moore) hat, is it the Voyager, just in brown??
Thank you for your help, as always..
Tom
OHMSSDBS.com
Found a great site: thesuitsofjamesbond.com. Browsed for quite a while.
For years, I am trying to replicate all things OHMSS besides the DBS (OHMSSDBS.com)
So, can anyone tell me exactly which Trilby Lazenby wore in the gunbarrel? I think, from looking at Lockhatters.co.uk, that it is a Navy Voyager, with a 2 1/4" brim. Do you agree??
I know that the brown Trilby is the Connery (and FYEO Moore) hat, is it the Voyager, just in brown??
Thank you for your help, as always..
Tom
OHMSSDBS.com
Comments
Hello Tom, how's the DBS? I always thought the Lazenby trilby looked like the Borsalino or the Madison. Both have the wider hat band/ribbon that Lazenby wore and come in black or dark grey. It has a thicker ribbon than the Sandown that Connery wore. However, I would ask James Lock and Co. They know that Connery wore the Sandown, so it stands to reason they know what Lazenby wore. If I were going to buy the hat, that is what I would do. I do plan on getting one in future, so if you get the definitive answer from them please post it here.
DG
Edit: Both the Borsalino and the Madison have medium brims. However the Superfelt has a narrow brim. All are listed under the heading "Trilbys". Again, though, I would ask Lock.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
All is well, after an incredibly challenging 2012 with 2 major surgeries, job change, and moving house!
Glad to say I'm back, feeling great, and got my JB mojo back.
Thanks for the tip, and I will get in touch with Lock Co, and let you know.
DBS is well, showed her for the first time at the Hillsborough Concours- funny thing, we decided to just go and not have it judged...still won a prize anyway! That car is such a fan favourite. Was mobbed all day, and broke away once for a restroom break. Ate and talked, talked and ate!
Need to do a bit of housekeeping on the car. It's an Aston. Got an oil leak to deal with, fuel smell in boot, and some fiddling with the treble Weber carburettors...but otherwise I am loving the car, and living a childhood dream.
A David Brown era Aston is really part of you, if you let it become that. Driving the car, it feel awful at first, and just gets better as you drive it. Many owners have shared that, and it is so true. You come away smelling of petrol, oil, and Connolly leather...a smell that just stays with you, and evokes an emotion.
Considering showing her at a charity Danville d'Elegance with the wedding flowers on her...
Stay in touch, and keep well, my friend...
Tom
Glad you are enjoying your car. Yes, vintage cars are a very different ilk than modern cars with their fuel injection electronic/crank trigger ignitions. There is definitely a science to tuning them, but it is also an art. Triple Webber carburetors? Wow! Tuning dual Webbers is enough for me. But you have a great car from one of the greatest Bond films of all time. Your DBS is bad ass!
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
http://thesuitsofjamesbond.com/?p=3031#comments
This article may help.
Thanks for posting that link. I put up this article in response to an email Tom sent me.
As for Lock, nothing in their current offerings is an exact match to either trilby in OHMSS.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Hi Tom,
I'm glad you like my site. Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. Lazenby's hat is a trilby, not a Homburg. The Homburg has a bound brim that is turned up all the way around. Lazenby's hats have a short snap brim, which snaps down in front. He actually wears two hats in the film, one at the beginning and at the wedding, and one with his business wear. The brim is quite small on both hats, probably about two inches. I've just posted an article on the two hats: http://thesuitsofjamesbond.com/?p=3031
I hope it helps. You're welcome to leave any further comments there.
Regards,
Matt
.....and from Lock & Co:
Dear Mr Thomas,
Thank you for your email.
I can confirm that the hat worn by Connery was indeed a Sandown.
Looking at the images of the one that Lazenby wore – this also looks to be a Sandown, as it does have the same general shaping, especially at the rear with the emphasis on the narrow curved brim.
The exact measurements of the brim with the Sandown is 2’’.
Hope this helps.
Kind regards,
William
...So, if Lock could do a Sandown Trilby in Dark Navy, or black, we may have a winner....?
What say you Bond bretheren?
ps Thank you for the kind comments on the DBS
Which is the hat that you're interested in? There are two in the film, as my article states. They would need to make it in black or navy. The brim is probably right, but they would need to block the crown differently for the wedding hat (in a C shape instead of a centre dent). For the London hat it needs a wide ribbon instead of the narrow one.
I would want the Gunbarrel or "This Never Happened to the Other Feller" hat, which are the same, right?
Ideally, I want to put together everything related to the DBS, so I will be looking for the correct Trilby that Lazenby wore in the DBS while chasing Tracy, and the suit/tux he wore in the beach fight scene. Also, the atlas and Wayfarer sunglasses, and the lighter...
So...Let us be clear: In the DBS driving scenes (first time we see Lazenby) I would order the Sandown Trilby from Lock in balck or navy?
What size ribbon? 1.5"??
Thank you for coming to the aid of the party...
I could be wrong since I haven't watched OHMSS in a while, but I thought the pre-credit sequence (DBS Tracy chase) showed the trilby with the thicker hat band/ribbon. There is also a still that exists somewhere that shows Lazenby being fitted with his holster on the beach next to the DBS and, if memory serves, shows the black trilby on his head. I'm just amazed that James Lock and Co. does not have a record of what they provided to George Lazenby. I would think they would at least have his hat size.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Looks like a narrow ribbon, or rather a black Sandown in the pre-credit sequence. Now I have to get one!!
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Do we know that Lazenby's hats came from Lock? Records back then weren't well-kept like they are today. I'm sure there were other makers, though Lock is conveniently located right around the corner from his shirtmaker Frank Foster.
That shot isn't as large as this one (Thank you, DG)...
So a Sandown in black it is!
Am I correct??
The crown is blocked in a C-crown rather than the usual centre dent, but it's still the narrow-brim trilby hat like the Sandown. They should be able to block the crown for you to that shape. Showing them a picture would help. Though all of my Lock trilby hats are vintage, when I bought a fedora at a shop in New York they asked me what shape I wanted them to block the crown in.
As for the Lazenby crown, I did notice the difference in crown too. I have a Connery Sandown from Lock myself and also compared images of Connery's Sandown to Lazenby's Trilby. The crown does look different. However everything else looks the same. Same 2 inch snap brim, same thin ribbon. It looks spot on to the Sandown except for the block and the color. The other problem is the Sandown only comes in brown according to Lock's catalog. So, you would have to special order a black Sandown anyway and just have it, as Matt S said, blocked accordingly.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Lock used to offer their short-brim trilby in other colours. I have two Lock trilby hats in the same style (they don't say Sandown but they are the same) in the colours labelled "New Brown" (a darker brown than the Sandown) and "Coke" (a dark grey). Like most other brands, their offerings also change over the years.
Pretty stoked about this thread! I always thought the pre-credit sequence hat was the same hat as the "office toss" hat. Now I have to order a Black Sandown with c shaped/teardrop crown!
Now, what about the "office toss" hat? Which one does it fit in the Lock catalog?
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
That hat has a larger and less tapered crown. I think it's navy but it could also be black. Nothing at Lock looks close enough. Here's the closest hat I've found from Bates, and it comes in navy:
http://www.bates-hats.com/store/fedoras-and-trilbys/jermyn/prod_31.html
I don't see anything that looks right. Where the crown is right, the brim is too large.
I stopped hearing back from Lock this week, perhaps they are busy...
Will write again and see if I can get a response.
Stay tuned, and thank you...Tom