But the worst for DAD was not the invisible car. It was the terrible CGI, the terrible acting/character of Jinx and the overall cartoon atmosphere the movie got after half of the movie. Like Moonraker, the first half was quite good actually. Than it got from bad to worse.
I hate to say it, but of what you point to here, I feel THE worst is Jinx. If she were written & played right, a LOT of other stuff could have been forgiven IMO. But her character failed miserably to anchor her end of the movie.
it seems to be trendy now to claim him as your favorite Bond.
I'm not knocking Dalton as Bond, but lets not re-write history.
I'm not trendy; Robocop 3 is my favourite Robocop movie.
If that doesn't prove it, I don't know what will. )
And it's not re-writing history to reassess opinions on things.
Dalton, Connery & Brosnan rock, in my opinion. B-)
I'd buy that for a dollar!
DAD is a missed opportunity from the perspective of its starting point. The torture scene beginning was great and then it ended abruptly and went downhill. That being said, if you are a fan of over the top, campy Bond (which I am!) then DAD can still be a success in many eyes. The only thing I think that is unforgivable is the CGI surfing scene. Only because they were trying to make it looks realistic, cool, and epic, but failed in doing so.
What is with all of this new-found love for Dalton? He wasn't this exalted when his movies came out yet it seems to be trendy now to claim him as your favorite Bond. I enjoy him just fine, but I don't feel his portrayal is as 'serious' as everyone here seems to be making him out to be. There were still goofy stunts (cello escape). Riding a Ferris wheel while giggling isn't 'serious'. Plus there was a deleted scene with Bond escaping on flying carpets like Aladdin (so glad that was cut). I'm not knocking Dalton as Bond, but lets not re-write history.
There has ALWAYS been an appreciation for Dalton, I suppose it just never 'found a voice' before...
I'm sorry for you that you feel 'laughing' is out if place in a serious Bond film...I wonder what you feel is acceptable...?..
You do know that the script for TLD was written before Dalton was cast as Bond...?...so the script was 'fine tuned' to the direction they decided to go with later...hence the filming of some scenes and then them missing the cut - that happens in every film...
Nobody is 're-writing history'...its just getting the 'look' it deserves...
You have no response for the cello escape scene because it has no defense. The "we have nothing to declare" line is right out of a Roger Moore film. It is easy to say he was more serious because he followed Roger Moore and read some Fleming novels. My point is that there were some of the same gags and one-liners as before. His attempt at seriousness came off a little wooden at times. I still enjoy his films. As for the laughing, there is a place for It. However, most Bonds smirked, not giggled.
What is with all of this new-found love for Dalton? He wasn't this exalted when his movies came out yet it seems to be trendy now to claim him as your favorite Bond. I enjoy him just fine, but I don't feel his portrayal is as 'serious' as everyone here seems to be making him out to be. There were still goofy stunts (cello escape). Riding a Ferris wheel while giggling isn't 'serious'. Plus there was a deleted scene with Bond escaping on flying carpets like Aladdin (so glad that was cut). I'm not knocking Dalton as Bond, but lets not re-write history.
There has ALWAYS been an appreciation for Dalton, I suppose it just never 'found a voice' before...
I'm sorry for you that you feel 'laughing' is out if place in a serious Bond film...I wonder what you feel is acceptable...?..
You do know that the script for TLD was written before Dalton was cast as Bond...?...so the script was 'fine tuned' to the direction they decided to go with later...hence the filming of some scenes and then them missing the cut - that happens in every film...
Nobody is 're-writing history'...its just getting the 'look' it deserves...
You have no response for the cello escape scene because it has no defense. The "we have nothing to declare" line is right out of a Roger Moore film. It is easy to say he was more serious because he followed Roger Moore and read some Fleming novels. My point is that there were some of the same gags and one-liners as before. His attempt at seriousness came off a little wooden at times. I still enjoy his films. As for the laughing, there is a place for It. However, most Bonds smirked, not giggled.
It is easy to say Dalton was more serious than Moore because he was more serious. Does that mean there were no frivolous moments in Dalton's films? No, and the cello scene is a good example. But the fact remains that Dalton's version of Bond is a more serious version that Moore's. Seems pretty clear to me, and that's certainly no new-found revelation.
+1. Good list. To me - coming from an experience of having made films, I've concluded that whenever the films went wrong, it was from the fear EON gets from seeing the first drafts of what could be a great script with one eye but keeping the other on the box office. During the horrible but necessary horse trading of artistic merit vs box office on big budget projects - box office always wins out.
Yes, and that is of course bottom line. And let's be honest, when they did take a chance, often the result was a dissapointment at the box office. OHMSS was a risk, sadly it failed. LTK was a risk, sadly it failed. Only CR was a risk, but also a box office hit.
You cannot blame the producers too much that they continue playing it safe, because it is what the general audience wanted. The die hard fans, us, may have wanted it different, but Joe Public, is where the real money is with.
Hence, they stuck with the formula, even when the formula was out of place in some movies. Or at least should have been toned down.
Yes, and that is of course bottom line. And let's be honest, when they did take a chance, often the result was a dissapointment at the box office. OHMSS was a risk, sadly it failed. LTK was a risk, sadly it failed. Only CR was a risk, but also a box office hit.
You cannot blame the producers too much that they continue playing it safe, because it is what the general audience wanted. The die hard fans, us, may have wanted it different, but Joe Public, is where the real money is with.
Hence, they stuck with the formula, even when the formula was out of place in some movies. Or at least should have been toned down.
When compared to the most successful entries, these were disappointments, but I would not go so far as to say they failed. OHMSS budget was only $8 mil, but grossed $82 mil. That's over
ten times the budget. LTK budget was $42mil, but grossed over $156 mil. A much lower gross but still more than three times the cost. That would mean they got back the cost and had enough profit left to finance the next one or two films. To me, that's not disappointing.
Maybe not loss making, but surely dissapointing in comparisson to earlier movies. I am sure the producers feared that a continuation of that could lead to lower income for the next installment(s). Therefore, quickly, they would go back to the trusted formula that worked so well before.
Bond is and was theircash cow. No way they would make changes of they were not going to secure a top ROI.
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#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
I'd buy that for a dollar!
DAD is a missed opportunity from the perspective of its starting point. The torture scene beginning was great and then it ended abruptly and went downhill. That being said, if you are a fan of over the top, campy Bond (which I am!) then DAD can still be a success in many eyes. The only thing I think that is unforgivable is the CGI surfing scene. Only because they were trying to make it looks realistic, cool, and epic, but failed in doing so.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
You have no response for the cello escape scene because it has no defense. The "we have nothing to declare" line is right out of a Roger Moore film. It is easy to say he was more serious because he followed Roger Moore and read some Fleming novels. My point is that there were some of the same gags and one-liners as before. His attempt at seriousness came off a little wooden at times. I still enjoy his films. As for the laughing, there is a place for It. However, most Bonds smirked, not giggled.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
It is easy to say Dalton was more serious than Moore because he was more serious. Does that mean there were no frivolous moments in Dalton's films? No, and the cello scene is a good example. But the fact remains that Dalton's version of Bond is a more serious version that Moore's. Seems pretty clear to me, and that's certainly no new-found revelation.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
You cannot blame the producers too much that they continue playing it safe, because it is what the general audience wanted. The die hard fans, us, may have wanted it different, but Joe Public, is where the real money is with.
Hence, they stuck with the formula, even when the formula was out of place in some movies. Or at least should have been toned down.
1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
When compared to the most successful entries, these were disappointments, but I would not go so far as to say they failed. OHMSS budget was only $8 mil, but grossed $82 mil. That's over
ten times the budget. LTK budget was $42mil, but grossed over $156 mil. A much lower gross but still more than three times the cost. That would mean they got back the cost and had enough profit left to finance the next one or two films. To me, that's not disappointing.
Bond is and was theircash cow. No way they would make changes of they were not going to secure a top ROI.
1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore