Gunbarrel sequence...

Fitzochris

... back at the start for Bond 24 please (with a proper score).

That is all.

(Yes I do remember the hilarity that ensued when I posted my disappointment after it was revealed Skyfall's Gunbarrel was at the end of the film).

hehadlotsofguts

I don't know why the gun barrel sequences are now at the end of the films. It's probably an attempt to re-invent the series. Why fix something that isn't broken

Thunderpussy

After all the arguments I've come to the conclusion, that for
me at least it doesn't really matter, so long as the film is good.

Sir Miles

Thunderpussy wrote:

After all the arguments I've come to the conclusion, that for
me at least it doesn't really matter, so long as the film is good.

It didn't matter to me in the first place...its all about the quality of the film...I seriously struggle to believe that some people had their entire film ruined JUST because the gunbarrel was at the end 8-)

Ens007

Sir Miles wrote:

Thunderpussy wrote:

After all the arguments I've come to the conclusion, that for
me at least it doesn't really matter, so long as the film is good.

It didn't matter to me in the first place...its all about the quality of the film...I seriously struggle to believe that some people had their entire film ruined JUST because the gunbarrel was at the end 8-)

Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks this! -{

Fitzochris

Didn't ruin the film for me - which was both brilliant and flawed for its own reasons.

Just want to see the trademark sequence back where it belongs for Bond 24.

Thunderpussy

Bond collectors love "Limited Editions " maybe we should look at the Craig Bonds
as Limited editions with the "Special placement" of the gunbarrel. )

Ens007

Fitzochris wrote:

Didn't ruin the film for me - which was both brilliant and flawed for its own reasons.

Just want to see the trademark sequence back where it belongs for Bond 24.

As far as I'm concerned, it "belonged" where it was actually put in all 3 of CR, QoS & SF.

Not splitting hairs with you btw - I know there are many who are most displeased that it was moved from the outset of the film. It is one of those things that doesn't make or break the film to me, however I could very much see the logic & purpose of putting it where they did in DC's offerings to date.

By all means if it suits the flow & character (wrong word to use but couldn't think off hand of another way to say it) of the next film then I have absolutely zero problem with it being right at the start ... likewise if it were to be elsewhere & if it "works" then that's fine by me too!

minigeff

Sir Miles wrote:

Thunderpussy wrote:

After all the arguments I've come to the conclusion, that for
me at least it doesn't really matter, so long as the film is good.

It didn't matter to me in the first place...its all about the quality of the film...I seriously struggle to believe that some people had their entire film ruined JUST because the gunbarrel was at the end 8-)

I found it quite funny actually. Could just imagine all these thesps, the back of their right hand planted firmly on forehead while loudly professing to the world that it's all over and some sh1t like they'll never play the dame.

ZorinIndustries

Ens007 wrote:

Sir Miles wrote:

Thunderpussy wrote:

After all the arguments I've come to the conclusion, that for
me at least it doesn't really matter, so long as the film is good.

It didn't matter to me in the first place...its all about the quality of the film...I seriously struggle to believe that some people had their entire film ruined JUST because the gunbarrel was at the end 8-)

Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks this! -{

I was a bit disappointed for about five seconds, then when DC's eyes came into focus, ohhhh yeahhhh :007)

It doesn't in any way ruin the film for me. I just wish it were at the beginning for continuity reasons.

Blackleiter

Ens007 wrote:

Sir Miles wrote:

Thunderpussy wrote:

After all the arguments I've come to the conclusion, that for
me at least it doesn't really matter, so long as the film is good.

It didn't matter to me in the first place...its all about the quality of the film...I seriously struggle to believe that some people had their entire film ruined JUST because the gunbarrel was at the end 8-)

Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks this! -{

Not the only one by a long shot!

DEFIANT 74205

Fitzochris wrote:

... back at the start for Bond 24 please (with a proper score).

That is all.

(Yes I do remember the hilarity that ensued when I posted my disappointment after it was revealed Skyfall's Gunbarrel was at the end of the film).

Agreed, on both counts. The gunbarrel sequence shouldn't be anywhere but the very start of the film.

GoldenEye85

My thing with this is, it fit properly for Quantum and Skyfall but for different reasons. Since the story didn't continue after it, it was kind of cool to have the barrel scene at the beginning of Casino and at the end of Quantum. As for Skyfall it fit better to have it at the end, since it ended like it did, coupled with it being the 50th anniversary of the series.

On a personal note, I would rather have it be full and at the end than be half done at the beginning like CR had.


The one problem I had with Quantum's was it felt like it should have been used for a James Bond video game, not a movie. Skyfall's was a little over exposed for me, even on the standard edition in a normal DVD player (IE not a game console).

I think it just adds to the feeling that all six people who have been Bond have had "their" touch to the gun barrel scene. Craig's is at the end of the movies. But I do agree that for just one movie, I would like to see it back at the start, but not a total deal breaker if it's not.

I think there is a bigger notion than that too. I want to see the succeeding Bond movie to a very well received one to be as big if not bigger than the one that came before.

Too many times now, there has been a lackluster Bond movie on the heels of a superb one.

Examples: Tomorrow Never Dies after GoldenEye; Good? Yes, but not on the same level as GE. Quantum of Solace after Casino Royale. Okay, but to be honest it falls flat on it's face when compared to CR. Let's see if Bond 24 can break this trend, they certainly have a chance too, I hope they take it.

DutchJamesBondFan

I think it's better like this, or you have to bring QoS CR and SF out with a version where it's the Brosnan style, because if you do it on the beginning with the old style, these three fit in by the others films, if you don't do that it wouldn't fit I think. It's better to keep it like this, I even start to like it.

Agent Kino

I figure as long as the movie is worth the watch, the gun barrel sequence signifies the classic Bond, but with the new generation of Bond who care where they place it.

mrbond

I thought it was supposed to signify that Bond hadn't properly become Bond yet if you know what I mean. If Mallory is supposed to be a return to the earlier films then maybe that would be "proper Bond"? Or the producers don't care where they stick the gun barrel sequence.

Fitzochris

Just put it back at the f**king start! Those who are bothered will be happy and it will make no difference to those who aren't. Simple.

Ens007

So bollocks to where is logical & where it fits in the context of the movie, lets just stick it at the start in order to shut the whinging brigade up??!

Yep I can definitely see that thought process being right up there at the production meetings ...

Fitzochris

Logical in the context of the movie? Up until Casino Royal it had f**k all to do with the context of the movie. It was at the start because it was something akin to a trademark. Let's get back to that and stop being too indulgent with it FFS.

HalfMonk HalfHitman

Well now I want it an hour into the film just to make people's heads explode.

Sir Miles

HalfHitman HalfMonk wrote:

Well now I want it an hour into the film just to make people's heads explode.

Same here...I cant believe people are SO anal about this...they must be afraid of change )

Thunderpussy

As a kind of halfway house I'd love to see it as part of the titles. )

hehadlotsofguts

In a way in CR, it was

Ens007

Sir Miles wrote:

HalfHitman HalfMonk wrote:

Well now I want it an hour into the film just to make people's heads explode.

Same here...I cant believe people are SO anal about this...they must be afraid of change )

Just imagine the ensuing hysteria .... )

Thunderpussy

I've come round to the conclusion that, I wouldn't like to stifle the creativity or artistry of any of
the skilled craftsmen and women who make the Bond films to dictate how things should be done.
I'd be looking forward to see how different directors etc, fit the Gunbarrel in to their Movie.

Fitzochris

Aye, it's all about opinions.

Fitzochris

Like this guy's...

I'm sympathetic to the other side of this argument - that the gunbarrel is not really necessary and that you can still make it a James Bond film without it at the start. However.. I'll add to that that while this is obviously true, and you *can* make a Superman film without the John Williams Superman theme or a Star Wars film without the opening theme and text.. why would you want to exactly? The only reason is to pretend you're being different when in fact you're just deliberately shaking up a tiny detail just to annoy people and get more talking about the film. Stick to shaking up the important things like storytelling and characters etc - changing the gunbarrel all the time is, ironically, nothing but a cheap gimmick, under the pretense of the gunbarrel itself having been the gimmick (eh, not really, that's just called style). There's no reason to remove the gunbarrel from Bond really, doing so is itself more of a pretense than keeping it for the sake of tradition.

It should be right at the beginning of this next film, and done well. I've found the gunbarrel designs for the last two films to be pretty ugly and extra computer-generated looking. They can easily make it in the style of Binder with a modern flair. Why does it have to look like a dull scratched sewer pipe instead of a classic, stylish design? It's like changing it way more than ever necessary just for the sake of feeling you did 'something different' when in fact you didn't, all you did was make it look dull and uninteresting. The gunbarrel's basic design was never broken and doesn't need fixing.

In fact, voila - they designed the Skyfall poster to Binder's design, and it looks vastly better than the crap they made for the end of the film. USE THIS DESIGN EON..

Thunderpussy

To keep with the idea of Superman. If change hadn't happened we'd still
be watching George Reeves and would never of had the fantastic Williams
music.

Sir Miles

Fitzochris wrote:

The only reason is to pretend you're being different when in fact you're just deliberately shaking up a tiny detail just to annoy people and get more talking about the film.

I'm sorry - but this is total bullsh*t...there are FAR better ways to get people talking about the film than to move the gunbarrel...the ONLY reason it's been/being discussed is because some people can't accept change/evolution...

I bet you have chicken for tea every Friday )

Ens007

Sir Miles wrote:

Fitzochris wrote:

The only reason is to pretend you're being different when in fact you're just deliberately shaking up a tiny detail just to annoy people and get more talking about the film.

I'm sorry - but this is total bullsh*t...there are FAR better ways to get people talking about the film than to move the gunbarrel...the ONLY reason it's been/being discussed is because some people can't accept change/evolution...

Agree 100% with you.

I'm not sure if it's just me, but the above detailed post almost read as if the change of position of the gunbarrel was done purely out of spite!

Truly at a loss as to why this really is causing so much apparent pain for some.

minigeff

I've actually had to set the DVD up ready to go at the start of thunderball so each time I get up I hit play and it's the first thing I see in the morning.

Once I was setting it up the night before and forgot to hit pause and I saw the gunbarrel before going to bed.

That fooked me up for some time, but the counselling, cognitive behavioural therapy and smorgasbord of happy pills are helping me to get back on track.

MG -{