I have owned Panerai, Omega etc and I have 2 Bremont watches. One which is the Terra Nova made of titanium and limited to 300 pieces (Bond like in my opinion) rather than 7007 like Omega produce. The other is an ALT 51 Z, another excellent watch. They are British with their company in Henley, provide excellent customer service and personally cannot fault them!!
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Asp9mm makes it sound that having no experience and competence is a good thing. There you go 8-)
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edited February 2019
The fact that the product is popular and sells well, and is of a high standard speaks for itself, they employed managers and watchmakers that had the experience and now the company has been trading for 17 years, has an established line and flagship stores in key high end areas around the World. So experience is now a moot point.
Competence never came into it, they proved that by getting to where they are now. 100% in house movements won’t be long coming..
People bashing Bremont for lack of heritage and because it was started by two rich public school lads from their fathers trust fund is pathetic. New companies can’t have any heritage, unless they buy a name and trade on that. It’s just silly. Fair play to them in chasing a dream. I’d love to do something like that. It’s typical of today’s society that successful or well off people get bashed just for being that. The Pontiff is a case in point, he has no other argument for his hate of Bremont.
Because of Higgy bashing Bremont, I looked at a thread he posted a link to over ten years ago, and having no any other education on the brand, bought the bs people were spreading about it - being a fake brand and run by dodgy dealers who faked their lives. Turns out, I was wrong to assume the internet ranting was true, took the time to look into it and of course, their father did die in a plane crash and one of the sons broke 30 odd bones but survived it. I then looked at the product, particularly the Martin Baker model. Now a renowned company like Martin Baker don’t allow their name to be used on a shoddy product claiming the innovation and over the top testing that has gone into making it. The testing rivals that of NASA to an insane level.
So can Higgy-Bum persuade me the brand is rubbish, no. And I’m going to buy more. Maybe even sell my Comex to do it :v So there.
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I applaud you for admitting that you took inspiration from a phantastic person - just like the English folks took inspiration by their late father and the farmer that took care about them
--I do hope that they are paying it back by giving donations to Antoine Bremont or his family --
However and same case like with Bremont:
The inspiring people where glorious, the products are crap
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Seriously though, what's the issue with bremont? Rolex had no heritage at the start, but as far as I can tell, the actual watches themselves seem good quality with a good level of attention to detail.
Some of the limited editions are interesting like the Wright brothers one for example with the piece of wing canvas in the caseback. OK claiming an exclusive movement made in Switzerland as in house was a major gaff, but should that take anything away from the actual product? I can't even see the issue with naming the company after a French retired pilot and farmer they once met an issue either, after all our very own hero was named after an auther of a bird book.
Is there any genuine issues with bremont as a watch maker or is the hatred (and I don't mean Higgins) in the watch world just horological snobbery? I'm genuinely confused.
I think there’s definitely a snob component. Truth is not everyone can have a collection filled with Pateks and Rolexes. There is a place for well-made, nice looking watches that won’t cost you an arm and a leg (and that is to say nothing of the waiting lists :v ).
And Rolex, as good as it is, is not full proof. A good friend of mine was recently able to secure a new Oyster steel GMT from an AD. He even had to enter into a side agreement with the AD that he would not attempt to re-sell it for at least 2 years (the AD was going to hold the warranty card as security). When my friend went to pick it up, the AD unscrewed the crown to set the time and the crown slid straight out of the watch, which is obviously not supposed to happen. Worse still, he was only offered to buy the watch as is for full price and then send it back to Rolex to be repaired. He was told if he wanted to purchase a different example of the watch he would have to go to the back of the wait list.
So yes, I can fully understand why someone might look to a Bremont, etc. as an alternative.
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I’ve got and had more high end watches than I’ve lived in years x2. I was a Rolex ambassador as well as Omega, Patel and Breitling. There is nothing wrong with the quality of Bremont at all. And their limited editions are really limited too, two or three figures maximum, not thousands. Plus they hold their value well, which is the real litmus test.
Seriously though, what's the issue with bremont? Rolex had no heritage at the start, but as far as I can tell, the actual watches themselves seem good quality with a good level of attention to detail.
Some of the limited editions are interesting like the Wright brothers one for example with the piece of wing canvas in the caseback. OK claiming an exclusive movement made in Switzerland as in house was a major gaff, but should that take anything away from the actual product? I can't even see the issue with naming the company after a French retired pilot and farmer they once met an issue either, after all our very own hero was named after an auther of a bird book.
Is there any genuine issues with bremont as a watch maker or is the hatred (and I don't mean Higgins) in the watch world just horological snobbery? I'm genuinely confused.
I can just speak about my personal experiences:
Before 2014, I did not care at all about Bremont and their product.
I did not like anything about their dial/hands design, it just looked too generic and the numerals have been mostly too small for my taste in an aviation-oriented watch.
To me, it was a generic brand with an endless output of limited Editions that desperately (imo) tried to connect their overpriced products to aviation history. They where pointless imo
Everything went over the top for me with the Wright Flyer Limited Edition.
I mean, $ 26.000,-- for a generic watch from a UK brand just because it has a tiny piece of cloth of of the Wright Flyer (I always thought that the original plane was in the Washington Air and Space Museum)* is just pointless and ridiculous!
Shortly after the release, it was widely reported that Bremont's claim of an own movement was debunked and that they have been using a La-Joux Perret movement.
That was it then for me!
You claim having your own movement after you have certainly negotiated with La-Joux about the ebauches or finished movements?
If you claim having your own movement, that certainly would mean that you have an engineer, some equipment and much time to develop something? As the company owner you should be aware of it or of the absence!
To me Nick came across exactly like Archie says. A loaded rich hipster who deliberately tried to mislead his clients to make a buck.
And he had the face defending this by basically saying "We where young, we where naive, we where so excited, proud and passionate about our product and brand, we where new and did not know the exact terms for an own movement"
"We where not out to deceive anyone, we where uncertain about the terms and we still feel, that the movement is inhouse"
C'mon, do you really think, that someone will be stupid enough to buy this?
So, since this video, the brand was totally inacceptable for me and I have a reasonable amount of disgust for them and their actions.
Call it snobbish or what, this is how I feel.
*was it ever 100% confirmed that this cloth really came from the original Wright Flyer and not from one of the replicas (not that I care much).
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There is nothing wrong with the quality of Bremont at all. And their limited editions are really limited too, two or three figures maximum, not thousands.
Probably because they will not be able to sell more than those small numbers
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Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,533MI6 Agent
Actually they design and make many parts for the movements themselves. As I said Breitling and Cartier claimed the same too.
The wing material on the original Flyer has been replaced due to damage. The family own the original panel piece that Bremont used.
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Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,533MI6 Agent
But if you put aside the marketing and the bremont part developed and manufactured exclusive movement that was put together in Switzerland, they don't seem bad watches, I can accept Higgins distaste at certain antics, and personal preference over aesthetics and watch complications, but does this make the actual product no good? I don't think so, they have procured (for want of a better word) some aviation heritage to incorporate into their brand, which at the very least is interesting. And who cares what they're background is a decent quality watch doesn't have to be able to trace its roots back a hundred years to one watchmaker who started in a backstreet workshop, but that's just IMHO of course.
If a company is blatantly lying about their product, they deserve to be wiped out by the market.
It‘s that easy and I see no reason to defend such behaviour.
I know that in marketing, everybody is bending the truth to a degree, but that was far worse.
And the explanations where pathetic and disrespectful to anyone who has a brain.
I still don‘t like their product, but even if it would be twice as good as GS and half the price, I‘d not buy a watch from them because I could not stand the itch.
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If a company is blatantly lying about their product, they deserve to be wiped out by the market.
It‘s that easy and I see no reason to defend such behaviour.
I know that in marketing, everybody is bending the truth to a degree, but that was far worse.
And the explanations where pathetic and disrespectful to anyone who has a brain.
I still don‘t like their product, but even if it would be twice as good as GS and half the price, I‘d not buy a watch from them because I could not stand the itch.
Fair comment, like I said I can completely agree with your ethics and distain for what seems their lack of them in that instance.
It was either that.....or the priesthood
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,533MI6 Agent
It was one dumb remark a long time ago. He just got a bit excited and ran when he should have walked. They manufacture and design movement parts and all their cases and other parts are made in the UK.
Again, it seems fine for Breitling and Cartier to say their movements are made by them for years, but it’s OK as they’re an established and recognised brand.
Get over it Higgy Bum, one misplaced remark that wasn’t intended as a blatant lie doesn’t make them devious shills worth persecuting forever. They’re both actually very decent and amiable chaps. And they don’t wear tacky footwear either.
I’m off to wear all of my lovely Bremonts whilst watching a good film on Spitfires. After that, i’ll Check out their new releases and see what’s next :v
It was a nasty lie at first and then got worse by that arrogant arrogant interview.
It was not just one dumb remark.
I know that you are far less forgiving with other people that have that kind of record and you don‘t even buy watches from them
And besides that, I still don‘t like their watches, just look at that badly finished, far undersized Sellita $50 movement with the pathetic rotor in your Solo watch
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So it may be $300,—
Still 25,6 mm small and the rotor is ugly
Tbh, they are not my particular cup of tea, I've only ever had one aviators watch and that was an iwc many years ago, just not my thing. But I find the stories behind them fascinating and I've read a few hodinkee and blog to watch reviews, I've just always wondered why they garner as much hatred as they do praise.
Anyway, does anyone know about bmg )
This is my limited edition Terra Nova one of only 300 and Bond could do far worst on the watch front. They are reliable watches and tbh their customer service over companies like Omega is second to none.
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Stoopid Higgins.
Cough Cough inhouse movements 8-)
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Listen to the Pontiff
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Competence never came into it, they proved that by getting to where they are now. 100% in house movements won’t be long coming..
People bashing Bremont for lack of heritage and because it was started by two rich public school lads from their fathers trust fund is pathetic. New companies can’t have any heritage, unless they buy a name and trade on that. It’s just silly. Fair play to them in chasing a dream. I’d love to do something like that. It’s typical of today’s society that successful or well off people get bashed just for being that. The Pontiff is a case in point, he has no other argument for his hate of Bremont.
Because of Higgy bashing Bremont, I looked at a thread he posted a link to over ten years ago, and having no any other education on the brand, bought the bs people were spreading about it - being a fake brand and run by dodgy dealers who faked their lives. Turns out, I was wrong to assume the internet ranting was true, took the time to look into it and of course, their father did die in a plane crash and one of the sons broke 30 odd bones but survived it. I then looked at the product, particularly the Martin Baker model. Now a renowned company like Martin Baker don’t allow their name to be used on a shoddy product claiming the innovation and over the top testing that has gone into making it. The testing rivals that of NASA to an insane level.
So can Higgy-Bum persuade me the brand is rubbish, no. And I’m going to buy more. Maybe even sell my Comex to do it :v So there.
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Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
--I do hope that they are paying it back by giving donations to Antoine Bremont or his family --
However and same case like with Bremont:
The inspiring people where glorious, the products are crap
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Some of the limited editions are interesting like the Wright brothers one for example with the piece of wing canvas in the caseback. OK claiming an exclusive movement made in Switzerland as in house was a major gaff, but should that take anything away from the actual product? I can't even see the issue with naming the company after a French retired pilot and farmer they once met an issue either, after all our very own hero was named after an auther of a bird book.
Is there any genuine issues with bremont as a watch maker or is the hatred (and I don't mean Higgins) in the watch world just horological snobbery? I'm genuinely confused.
And Rolex, as good as it is, is not full proof. A good friend of mine was recently able to secure a new Oyster steel GMT from an AD. He even had to enter into a side agreement with the AD that he would not attempt to re-sell it for at least 2 years (the AD was going to hold the warranty card as security). When my friend went to pick it up, the AD unscrewed the crown to set the time and the crown slid straight out of the watch, which is obviously not supposed to happen. Worse still, he was only offered to buy the watch as is for full price and then send it back to Rolex to be repaired. He was told if he wanted to purchase a different example of the watch he would have to go to the back of the wait list.
So yes, I can fully understand why someone might look to a Bremont, etc. as an alternative.
I can just speak about my personal experiences:
Before 2014, I did not care at all about Bremont and their product.
I did not like anything about their dial/hands design, it just looked too generic and the numerals have been mostly too small for my taste in an aviation-oriented watch.
To me, it was a generic brand with an endless output of limited Editions that desperately (imo) tried to connect their overpriced products to aviation history. They where pointless imo
Everything went over the top for me with the Wright Flyer Limited Edition.
I mean, $ 26.000,-- for a generic watch from a UK brand just because it has a tiny piece of cloth of of the Wright Flyer (I always thought that the original plane was in the Washington Air and Space Museum)* is just pointless and ridiculous!
Shortly after the release, it was widely reported that Bremont's claim of an own movement was debunked and that they have been using a La-Joux Perret movement.
https://www.ablogtowatch.com/bremont-wright-flyer-limited-edition-watch/
Waves and hate for the brand went very high and to make all this even more ridiculous, Nick English came up for damage control.
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/video-bremont-co-founder-nick-english-responds-to-questions-about-new-movement
That was it then for me!
You claim having your own movement after you have certainly negotiated with La-Joux about the ebauches or finished movements?
If you claim having your own movement, that certainly would mean that you have an engineer, some equipment and much time to develop something? As the company owner you should be aware of it or of the absence!
To me Nick came across exactly like Archie says. A loaded rich hipster who deliberately tried to mislead his clients to make a buck.
And he had the face defending this by basically saying "We where young, we where naive, we where so excited, proud and passionate about our product and brand, we where new and did not know the exact terms for an own movement"
"We where not out to deceive anyone, we where uncertain about the terms and we still feel, that the movement is inhouse"
C'mon, do you really think, that someone will be stupid enough to buy this?
So, since this video, the brand was totally inacceptable for me and I have a reasonable amount of disgust for them and their actions.
Call it snobbish or what, this is how I feel.
*was it ever 100% confirmed that this cloth really came from the original Wright Flyer and not from one of the replicas (not that I care much).
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Is that Patel brand something new to the market?
Probably because they will not be able to sell more than those small numbers
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
The wing material on the original Flyer has been replaced due to damage. The family own the original panel piece that Bremont used.
"I think he's been out in open cockpits too long.."
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
It‘s that easy and I see no reason to defend such behaviour.
I know that in marketing, everybody is bending the truth to a degree, but that was far worse.
And the explanations where pathetic and disrespectful to anyone who has a brain.
I still don‘t like their product, but even if it would be twice as good as GS and half the price, I‘d not buy a watch from them because I could not stand the itch.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Again, it seems fine for Breitling and Cartier to say their movements are made by them for years, but it’s OK as they’re an established and recognised brand.
Get over it Higgy Bum, one misplaced remark that wasn’t intended as a blatant lie doesn’t make them devious shills worth persecuting forever. They’re both actually very decent and amiable chaps. And they don’t wear tacky footwear either.
I’m off to wear all of my lovely Bremonts whilst watching a good film on Spitfires. After that, i’ll Check out their new releases and see what’s next :v
It was a nasty lie at first and then got worse by that arrogant arrogant interview.
It was not just one dumb remark.
I know that you are far less forgiving with other people that have that kind of record and you don‘t even buy watches from them
And besides that, I still don‘t like their watches, just look at that badly finished, far undersized Sellita $50 movement with the pathetic rotor in your Solo watch
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Ouch
https://watchbase.com/bremont/caliber/be-36ae
https://www.watch-wiki.net/index.php?title=BE-36AE
So it may be $300,—
Still 25,6 mm small and the rotor is ugly
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Anyway, does anyone know about bmg
This is my limited edition Terra Nova one of only 300 and Bond could do far worst on the watch front. They are reliable watches and tbh their customer service over companies like Omega is second to none.