Query about Goldeneye

AlphaOmegaSin

Watching Goldeneye again, it always seems to me that it acts like LTK never happened. There's no Reference to the Events of previous Film apart from at the beginning where Bond is getting 'Assessed' Which I suppose could be him getting retested for Active Service.

Does anyone else feel this?

Napoleon Plural

Yes, the pts even precedes LTK, taking place during the Cold War.

Then again, a good many Bonds start like the previous one never happened. It's just more noticeable when the prev one was so dark, like some say the Oriental opening of DAF suggests that OHMSS never happened, it carries on from YOLT.

Thunderpussy

DAF starting in Japan might also be a nod to the novels as after OHMSS Fleming
wrote YOLT. In which Bond gets his revenge on Blofeld.

Blackleiter

Napoleon Plural wrote:

Yes, the pts even precedes LTK, taking place during the Cold War.

Are you sure about that? I thought the PTS took place six years prior to the events in the rest of the movie, which clearly didn't take place during the Cold War.

AlphaOmegaSin

I always felt Goldeneye is bit of a Reboot.

Le Samourai

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

I always felt Goldeneye is bit of a Reboot.

Same here. I don't think that anything that occurred post-OHMSS took place in the Brosnan Bond universe.

Napoleon Plural

Blackleiter wrote:

Napoleon Plural wrote:

Yes, the pts even precedes LTK, taking place during the Cold War.

Are you sure about that? I thought the PTS took place six years prior to the events in the rest of the movie, which clearly didn't take place during the Cold War.

I think after the song it says 'Nine years later' and anyhow, not sure Bond would be trying to blow up a weapons facility after the Wall has come down and the Cold War is over...

Firemass

Le Samourai wrote:

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

I always felt Goldeneye is bit of a Reboot.

Same here. I don't think that anything that occurred post-OHMSS took place in the Brosnan Bond universe.

Then how do you explain all the old Q gadgets in the Die Another Day scene ?

Blackleiter

Napoleon Plural wrote:

Blackleiter wrote:

Napoleon Plural wrote:

Yes, the pts even precedes LTK, taking place during the Cold War.

Are you sure about that? I thought the PTS took place six years prior to the events in the rest of the movie, which clearly didn't take place during the Cold War.

I think after the song it says 'Nine years later' and anyhow, not sure Bond would be trying to blow up a weapons facility after the Wall has come down and the Cold War is over...

My bad! The PTS was nine years earlier (although after the PTS I'd swear Brosnan didn't look a day older than six years older! ) ) And if the rest of the movie took place in real time (i.e. 1995) and the Cold War ended around 1991, then clearly the Cold War was still going on in the PTS. That's what I get for not paying attention. I stand corrected.

Le Samourai

Firemass wrote:

Le Samourai wrote:

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

I always felt Goldeneye is bit of a Reboot.

Same here. I don't think that anything that occurred post-OHMSS took place in the Brosnan Bond universe.

Then how do you explain all the old Q gadgets in the Die Another Day scene ?

Correct me if I'm wrong—and I haven't watched DAD in years so I might be—but weren't all or most of the old Q gadgets from pre-OHMSS Bonds or Brosnan-era Bonds? I don't remember any Moore or Dalton-era gadgets featured in that scene.

MooseWithFleas

The way that I always thought of it in my head was that Connery through Moore was a continuous story line. Following that, Dalton and Brosnan were the "Missing Stories". You can fit them in at any point in the continuous Connery-Moore story line.

I picture Living Daylights to be pretty early in that canon. Licence to Kill after MR. GoldenEye PTS is somewhere in the early stages where after the PTS is towards the middle/end. TND is a movie after and then TWINE and DAD are at the end right around OP and AVTAK.

BunsenPPK

Le Samourai wrote:

Firemass wrote:

Le Samourai wrote:

Same here. I don't think that anything that occurred post-OHMSS took place in the Brosnan Bond universe.

Then how do you explain all the old Q gadgets in the Die Another Day scene ?

Correct me if I'm wrong—and I haven't watched DAD in years so I might be—but weren't all or most of the old Q gadgets from pre-OHMSS Bonds or Brosnan-era Bonds? I don't remember any Moore or Dalton-era gadgets featured in that scene.

I believe the crocodile watercraft thing was there in DAD, that's one I'm fairly certain is there?
Correct me if I'm mistaken, as I also haven't seen DAD for some time

Barbel

No, it's there all right.

AlphaOmegaSin

It's the same Character from Dr No all the way up to Die Another Day.

BIG TAM

I always find it interesting in THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH when Elektra asks Bond if he's ever lost someone he cares for, Bond pauses & says nothing. Other actors would no doubt have been given the opportunity to make a specific reference to Tracy. Brosnan's Bond ignores it. I'm not sure whether it's sublety of writing (if so a rare event indeed in Bond scripting!) or pointedly distancing Brosnan's tenure from the other eras.

DIE ANOTHER DAY's plethora of references I ignore. It's simply the film-makers taking the audience out of the story & tipping a wink to past cinematatic glories. It has nothing to do with continuity, but then continuity is a concept I don't really apply to the films. Each one belongs to its own time-frame. Any references to previous pictures I feel more a comfort blanket to an audience familiar with the formula of these films. Perhaps I'm being too analytical, but that's how I see it.

Thunderpussy

I remember reading that the writers didn't want to give Brosnan's Bond
the back story if a dead wife etc.

Barbel

No-one batted an eyelid when Sherlock Holmes (in the shape of Basil Rathbone) moved straight from the late 19th Century to WW2 with only a brief and soon dropped handwave. His current adventures bounce giddily from century to century and even continent to continent. Nobody questions that Jonny Lee Miller is playing the same man as Robert Downey Jr despite their settings being so different, or Benedict Cumberbatch and, say, Peter Cushing or Jeremy Brett. Yet Holmes fans are if anything more analytical and intense with their love for him than we are with 007, and I would say they have welcome the recent Holmes adventures, however updated, with open arms (on the whole; there are always dissenters).

Of course Holmes has been on the go a lot longer than Bond, so perhaps 007 is at the turning point Holmes reached at roughly the same point in his career (50-60 years in) when he was, in a way, rebooted- ie when it stretched credulity too far to imply that the same man was still in active service and acknowledgement, however implicit, had to be made of that.

I've used Holmes as an example since he's the closest parallel to Bond as a long-running character. Dracula is immortal, Philip Marlowe's adventures are intermittent (and only seldom outside his usual time period), and Tarzan has gone out of style.

Napoleon Plural

BIG TAM wrote:

I always find it interesting in THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH when Elektra asks Bond if he's ever lost someone he cares for, Bond pauses & says nothing. Other actors would no doubt have been given the opportunity to make a specific reference to Tracy. Brosnan's Bond ignores it. I'm not sure whether it's sublety of writing (if so a rare event indeed in Bond scripting!) or pointedly distancing Brosnan's tenure from the other eras.

The writers did have a spiel in about Bond talking about Tracy but I think the producers took it out as 'Bond doesn't talk about his past'. There was some dispute by Wilson whether the Brosnan Bond was the same one who had gone thru those past adventures, he said in a fan interview around the same time.

Higgins

I guess that the producers tried everything to get over with the trauma from the Dalton-years

Blackleiter

Bondtoys wrote:

I guess that the producers tried everything to get over with the trauma from the Dalton-years

Ahhhhh........the Glory Years!

AlphaOmegaSin

Blackleiter wrote:

Bondtoys wrote:

I guess that the producers tried everything to get over with the trauma from the Dalton-years

Ahhhhh........the Glory Years!

The Bond Wasteland )

Blackleiter

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

Blackleiter wrote:

Bondtoys wrote:

I guess that the producers tried everything to get over with the trauma from the Dalton-years

Ahhhhh........the Glory Years!

The Bond Wasteland )

The Bond Reinvigoration!

Grindelwald

There was some continuity :

-Tracy mentioned few times

-Kronsteen mentions dr No being killed in the last movie

-Jaws returning

-Bond asks Blofeld "how many millions he wants this time ?" in OHMSS