You only have to get everyone to see the film once for it to make a bucketload of cash.
Of course you do...but that's never possible...you'd have to be insultingly dumb to believe that
Everyone once? A movie would make, like, thirty billion...
Oh dearie me, I meant the usual cinemagoing public. No, not literally everyone.
There are a good few blockbusters like Man of Steel that do well even though not everyone has gone to see it, it just has its fan base and that's enough. Bond has arguably a bigger potential fan base since decent reviews will bring in the over 60s... That is enough to make a blockbuster, whether anyone rates it or will see it again is simply irrelevent to the box office takings.
and the hype machine was injested by critics and fans despite the 2 films containing bits of mediocrity
So I don't really believe SF is a top level Bond film, I merely succumbed to the hype? Thanks, I didn't realize that. 8-)
I was speaking in generalities regarding the "Best Bond Ever!" type language I remember hearing back in 2012 after the London premeire....(If i recall, the film was realeased about 2 weeks later here in the States)....
If you like it, that's fine, but there are several elements about it that really bug me
It seems that everyone on this board puts TMWTGG at the bottom of the barrel, but the scenery is spectacular, the villian is great, and the film has a REAL stunt involving a spinning car !!!
Compare that with Skyfall's tightwad location budget, excessive CGI, and sometimes confusing storyline
TMWTGG was a film that was released almost 40 years ago, and so I expect some progress in terms of the majestic globe trotting escapism that Bond films represent ..........To me, Skyfall represents a step backwards in terms of elements that make the series realevent to me
I agree with you that the hype machine was in full swing with that "Best Bond Ever" campaign, but I believe I've seen similar hype concerning Bond films in the past. Perhaps this time it was on another level, and I, for one, certainly don't consider SF to be the best Bond film of them all. But for me, the gap in quality between SF and TMWTGG is so huge in favor of SF that I wouldn't dream of comparing them. That's what's so interesting about this forum, though - the wildly divergent views of us Bond fans!
I mentioned this on my previous thread but just wanted to know if anyone else has experienced this.
When I first seem Skyfall in the cinema and bought it on Blu-Ray I thought it was one of the best bonds ever and continued to watch it once a week or so for about a month but ever since I left it alone for a few months and then returned to it, I just don't see it in the same light anymore. It's still a very well crafted Bond film but I actually now think it's a little boring and lacks any standout action scenes (apart from PTS and Ending). I now rank it much lower on my list overall and just feel that it's one of those bonds you really need to be in the right mood in order to watch it. My opinion will more than likely change again soon but for now Skyfall sits as my 14th favourite Bond.
It's overrated for me and isn't even the best of the Craig Bonds -- that is still Casino Royale. However, Skyfall makes it into my top ten:
Goldfinger
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
From Russia with Love
Dr. No
Casino Royale
You Only Live Twice
Thunderball
Skyfall
The Living Daylights
For Your Eyes Only
Skyfall, for this fan, was the worst OO7 experience since Quantum of Solace; and is the first Bond film that I have not bothered to purchase - nor will ever purchase. What saving graces there are do not justify a viewing of the whole film. It was a film of broken promise and abandoned opportunity. The best thing about Skyfall was the trailer.
But I am in the minority and I am sorry that viewing Skyfall has become so tedious for you, who obviously loved the film from the first. I have the same experience with You Only Live Twice, which I thrashed because it was the first OO7 movie I recorded off television on my brand-new Philips N1700 VCR video-recorder back in 1980.
It's for the above reason that I have consciously held-off watching Casino Royale, since a single Blu-ray viewing on initial release on that format. I want it to remain a favourite.
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I understand what you mean about certain movies becoming stale the more you watch them, for me it has been YOLT, TMWTGG and Skyfall of course. I did love Skyfall when I first seen it in the cinema and I suppose I still quite like it nowadays (there's no Bond film I truly dislike) but it's one of the few Bond's that bores me. Even though it's a minute or so shorter than CR; I feel as if it drags a hell of a lot more...this is why I think a few action sequences were needed because think about it - besides the PTS and sections of the finale there's no satisfying action.
I'm feeling quite relieved that Sam Mendes will be returning for Bond 24 but I'm also a little bit nervous about where he plans to take the series.
....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.
I love the Craig Bonds. I'd even say I find some of the early films
a bit slow, Moonraker seems to go on forever. So I'd be a fan of
all three Craig films . The best in my opinion is QOS.
I love the Craig Bonds. I'd even say I find some of the early films
a bit slow, Moonraker seems to go on forever. So I'd be a fan of
all three Craig films . The best in my opinion is QOS.
Films work more like dreams than books, I think - a film can be completely successful in moving your emotions, engaging your interest, etc (particularly the first time you see it), then not seem so successful the second time. I think "Skyfall" works astoundingly well the first time you see it, not quite so well later because you start picking at the logic of it, the coincidences, that sort of thing... now you have time (as you watch it again) to connect your "logical" brain as opposed to your "dreaming" brain.
But we all have favourite films that don't bear the full spotlight of reason. You can't really criticize "Where Eagles Dare" for not being logical enough - there's just no point. You like it or you don't, it (like 007) is part of your childhood or it isn't.
To me, Skyfall may not not hold up as well to repeated viewings because most of the interesting bits are left offscreen. I would have preferred to know more about Bond's boyhood experiences firsthand, through his eyes, than to be told everything in expository dialogue, for instance. There is little of the emotional gravitas of Casino Royale, which itself did not have as much gravitas as was in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. I don't find the action sequences as compelling as in many of the other Bond's, even though like many contemporary action films, it spends more time on them than the parts in between. But it's one of those movies that will probably be seen more fondly as the years pass. It's in my top half more because of the performances than because of the script, and it is likable for its aesthetic.
Haha, Where Eagles Dare is one of my favorite films. The first time I saw it, I couldn't figure out if it was a joke or not, it was so over-the-top and bombastic.
I may have had the opposite experience here. I was slightly underwhelmed the first time I saw Skyfall, but I've grown to like it more with subsequent viewings.
Some Bond movies are good, some are less good and most are pretty fun regardless. Anyway, I'm just glad I don't get personally offended when they miss the mark a bit. ! )
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Oh dearie me, I meant the usual cinemagoing public. No, not literally everyone.
There are a good few blockbusters like Man of Steel that do well even though not everyone has gone to see it, it just has its fan base and that's enough. Bond has arguably a bigger potential fan base since decent reviews will bring in the over 60s... That is enough to make a blockbuster, whether anyone rates it or will see it again is simply irrelevent to the box office takings.
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I agree with you that the hype machine was in full swing with that "Best Bond Ever" campaign, but I believe I've seen similar hype concerning Bond films in the past. Perhaps this time it was on another level, and I, for one, certainly don't consider SF to be the best Bond film of them all. But for me, the gap in quality between SF and TMWTGG is so huge in favor of SF that I wouldn't dream of comparing them. That's what's so interesting about this forum, though - the wildly divergent views of us Bond fans!
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But I am in the minority and I am sorry that viewing Skyfall has become so tedious for you, who obviously loved the film from the first. I have the same experience with You Only Live Twice, which I thrashed because it was the first OO7 movie I recorded off television on my brand-new Philips N1700 VCR video-recorder back in 1980.
It's for the above reason that I have consciously held-off watching Casino Royale, since a single Blu-ray viewing on initial release on that format. I want it to remain a favourite.
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The Bondles' Shamthology - the official unofficial website of the Sad Double-Oh Seven, The Bondles.
www.shamthology.com
I understand what you mean about certain movies becoming stale the more you watch them, for me it has been YOLT, TMWTGG and Skyfall of course. I did love Skyfall when I first seen it in the cinema and I suppose I still quite like it nowadays (there's no Bond film I truly dislike) but it's one of the few Bond's that bores me. Even though it's a minute or so shorter than CR; I feel as if it drags a hell of a lot more...this is why I think a few action sequences were needed because think about it - besides the PTS and sections of the finale there's no satisfying action.
I'm feeling quite relieved that Sam Mendes will be returning for Bond 24 but I'm also a little bit nervous about where he plans to take the series.
a bit slow, Moonraker seems to go on forever. So I'd be a fan of
all three Craig films . The best in my opinion is QOS.
But we all have favourite films that don't bear the full spotlight of reason. You can't really criticize "Where Eagles Dare" for not being logical enough - there's just no point. You like it or you don't, it (like 007) is part of your childhood or it isn't.
Haha, Where Eagles Dare is one of my favorite films. The first time I saw it, I couldn't figure out if it was a joke or not, it was so over-the-top and bombastic.
Some Bond movies are good, some are less good and most are pretty fun regardless. Anyway, I'm just glad I don't get personally offended when they miss the mark a bit. !