Your Quirky Fan Theories
Colonel Shatner
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What quirky Bond movie fan theory do you have? One of the more popular ones is that James Bond is really a codename given to different men with a similar set of character traits and background. Here's one I've found circulating: there was never a Teresa (aka Tracy) Bond in the loose continuity of Connery Bond movies, in much the same way there would likely never be a Tracy Bond in the continuity of the Craig Bond movies and beyond, with Vesper being the albatross round the neck instead. In the PTS for Diamonds Are Forever Connery Bond was really tracking Blofeld down to avenge the accidental assassination of Aki in You Only Live Twice, which makes sense considering Aki's poisoning was as comparably tragic to see as Tracy's fatal headshot on her honeymoon drive and Vesper's self-inflicted death by drowning. Connery Bond was stricken by grief and loss in You Only Live Twice and Diamonds Are Forever, but it seemed more like the more bottled up grief of losing a close comrade during a war than a wife on a honeymood. And Blofeld in that continuity never left that oil rig alive.
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At the start of TSWLM
Time to time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VnQtXihSR4
Second, Lee Tamahori made "Once we were warriors". So he has made one good film, some OK ones and one horrible Bond film.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Oi!!! X-( Although I must admit he should never make another Bond
DN - There really was a dragon - Dr No had it captured, and the dragon tank was just a cover-up
FRWL - Rosa Klebb used to be a man
GF - Oddjob is a beatles fan, and that's the real reason he attacks bond, after bond's 'beatles-earmuffs' line
TB - Blofeld didn't have Angelo killed for greed - he had him killed for sleeping with his wife
YOLT - The code 'I love you' was not told to Tiger Tanaka - he really did love bond
OHMSS - Blofeld doesn't recognize bond because it's Lazenby, not Connery
DAF - That wasn't Blofeld in drag - it was his extremely ugly sister
LALD - Tee Hee didn't really lose his arm to a crocodile - he lost it from waving it out of the school bus window
TMWTGG - Scaramanga and Nick Nack were lovers
TSWLM - Indeed Sergi Borsov is George Lazenby's bond
MR - Jaws and Dolly had to split up after finding out they were brother and sister
FYEO - Bond really did sleep with Bibi - they just didn't show us that part
OP - Bond's injury at the end of the film was actually from the clown (who got arrested) beating him up
AVTAK - Max Zorin joined in with Bond and Mayday having sex (we just didn't see that part)
TLD - Bond was absolutely petrified when on the ferris wheel
LTK - Sanchez's iguana is still alive to this day
GE - Bond was taken to court for stealing that tank
TND - The whole film was actually a dream
TWINE - Valentine didn't have a caviar factory, it was actually salmon (he was too embarrassed to say)
DAD - The parasurfing scene was NOT CGI
CR - Bond was actually getting turned on when being tortured
QOS - The apple that Dominic Greene was eating gave him really bad diarrhea
SF - M didn't die from a wound, she died from stress
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
Most of those are rather stupid and few of them are quite disturbing
Maybe get a sense of humour then? 8-)
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
Maybe don't be so rude when replying to me next Time then? 8-)
He should have been the villain
He looks like one as well
Erm, you were the one that was rude in the first place. I don't get the internet sometimes... some people seem to feel the need to be rude, then accuse others of it (!)
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
I always thought this too
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
But there's another one that's quite a bit darker that I've believed. It fits well with the tone of the two films Timothy Dalton did. So here it is: Gogol never quit the KGB. Sure, he may not have been physically fit enough to lead it, but he maintained all his contacts. As such, at the end of TLD, when Kara goes back to Czechoslovakia, the StB arrest her and deport her to the USSR, where she serves time in a prison for her association with Koskov as well as her association with the Mujahedeen. The USSR makes sure she's healthy since they don't want an enemy of Bond, and Pushkin can basically tell Bond it's nothing personal; and that Gogol authorized the arrest in the first place. She was then released in 1989 with Gorbachev's reforms to the prison system.
Okay, so, why do I think this? Simple: Kara and Bond seemed closer than anyone since Tracy and Bond (and closer than anyone else prior to the reboot). Something drastic would have had to end their relationship. Also, ask yourself this: why would Gogol, and not a Czechoslovakian official, have to give her a special pass? The guy headed up the KGB; he can lie with ease because the KGB literally trained its personnel to lie convincingly.
It also goes toward Bond's ambiguous tone in the beginning of LTK. Prior to Felix's mutilation and Della's rape and death, he's still pretty cold, though is fighting it (yeah, I know it's Dalton's acting, but it's called an "in-universe explanation"). The Soviet prison reforms haven't officially been made yet, though they look probable; he may even have a source in Pushkin telling him that they're inevitable. But in all this time, he's been drinking and womanizing to ease the pain. It would also explain just how easily and how violently he snapped; if there was already something weighing him down, it would be that much easier. By the time Kara is freed, LTK is over and Bond can see no future between the two of them. There's my dark little theory. Take it for what you will.
Why would Bond be bothered about Soviet Prisons?
Perhaps if he were powerless to get someone out whom he cared for, he might have a problem with it?
I have always felt that after the Death of Tracy and him Mourning her loss (Even though we never do see him do it) affected his Relationships with Woman to follow. He never really committed to another Girl as much like he did with Tracy.
Yes, but you asked about Soviet prisons, a.k.a. hellholes. In pre-Craig continuity, Bond did have enough sympathy for his allies and those that helped him (like Kara) that he would presumably feel awful about them winding up in a Soviet prison if they were mere bystanders in the grand scheme of things (as Kara was).
That, and continuity is frankly so loose and so bad between different actors that the only acknowledgements we even had of Tracy's existence being a sensitive subject came during the Moore era. Look at when Alec Trevelyan taunts Bond with his own past in GE, for example.
Brosnan's Bond was admittedly a semi-reboot, but I wonder to what degree; certainly Tracy wasn't written out. And yet, Trevelyan goes for the jugular by suggesting that Bond can't help himself from womanizing and drinking by his own failures, especially failures to protect the women he'd had in the first place. Given Bond's reaction, it seemed to hit a nerve.
Hear me out on this one:
Daniel Craig - Bond is at the very beginning of his career. He's very trigger happy, over confident, under-skilled, and overly emotional.
George Lazenby - Now this one is a little tougher since he only did one. Bond is still early in his career and still has a lot of the traits from Craig's take.
Timothy Dalton - He is a lot more honed in on his skills and has greatly improved in the other areas, but still lets his emotions choose his direction in approaching his missions.
Pierce Brosnan - Much, much better in most respects of his experience, a very little slice of emotion, once in a while might drive his choice in handling his mission. A lot more sure of himself in most ways.
Sean Connery - No emotion whatsoever! If he wants the answer, he'll beat it out of you, Craig has that too.
Roger Moore - He's been at the job for a very long time. Has a long, successful career of stopping some of the worlds most notorious villains, with some of the craziest plans for either world domination or extortion. And is probably close to the point where he could either retire, or be the one to either train his successor, or become the next leader of MI6.
There is more that could be said, but since I haven't seen some of Connery and Moore's films that much....yet, I really can't give much more than that. However, I think that since all the bases have been covered, I think, if this were to be believed, that the only thing to do would be to expand on these six areas, the thing is, would they let someone play the role long enough again to expand on Roger Moore's segment?
1: Brosnan 2: Craig 3: Moore 4: Dalton 5: Connery and 6: Lazenby
A choose your own adventure story. The two timelines both start with the first five connery films,
but at this point you can go down two seperate paths and one is considerably shorter than the other.
The "main" timeline skips OHMSS and any other films that mention tracy, this connects YOLT to DAF
more easily and the main timeline continues along its merry way. The "revenge and depression"
timeline skips DAF and any other films that don't mention tracy. In this time line, OHMSS is followed by for your eyes only and that is folowed by the spy who loved me, then the timeline continues with the dalton and brosnan films.
I choose to look at the changing Bond actors like this... I typed up a big explanation of this once, but I don't have it handy! Nevertheless, it goes something like this:
SIR JAMES BOND HIMSELF: David Niven
The true, one and only, orrrriginal.... Jamessh Bond. ;-)
FIRST KNOWN NAMESAKE - JOHN PATRICK MASON: Sean Connery
Obviously meant as the b-b-bounder to whom Niven's name and number were given.
As Connery's character in "The Rock" was fully intended to be an aged Bond, I'm willing to believe what we learn in that movie as his life following "Diamonds Are Forever." I consider "Never Say Never Again" to be nothing more than an 'alternate universe' "Thunderball"; same characters, different faces, not the same canon as the rest of the films.
SECOND KNOWN NAMESAKE - COOPER: Terence Cooper
THIRD KNOWN NAMESAKE - EVELYN TREMBLE: Peter Sellers
This is about where I put a limit on the CR67 "Bonds"; I'm willing to consider Cooper and Tremble alongside the other official 'namesakes'. I don't count Jimmy Bond, Moneypenny, Vesper Lynd or The Detainer in the grand total; besides, Jimmy Bond was never part of the plan to rename all agents "James Bond 007". Neither Moneypenny or The Detainer are ever actually referred to as "James Bond 007" within the story, anyway.
FOURTH KNOWN NAMESAKE: George Lazenby / Roger Moore
Yes, I do believe that these are the same Bond. Both were married to Tracy, and that works for me. I honestly can see an evolution between the two portrayals happening, without a major stretch of the imagination.
FIFTH KNOWN NAMESAKE: Timothy Dalton
I used to believe that Timothy was *also* playing the fourth namesake; he also knows Hedison's Leiter, and he was said to be married at one point. But his wife is never explicitly stated to be Tracy, and his looks and personality are just so far off from Moore's it's impossible to make a connection.
SIXTH KNOWN NAMESAKE: Pierce Brosnan
Sixth as far as the chronology of film releases may go, but technically, began his service at some point before the events of "The Living Daylights" occurred for Dalton's Bond.
SEVENTH KNOWN NAMESAKE: Daniel Craig
Obviously a newcomer, who only began his service in 2006.
UNKNOWN CONNECTION: Barry Nelson
There's really no place to put poor Barry, really - he's American, he works for the CIA rather than HMSS, and is never even referred to as 007. Believe it or not, I've seen a fan theory that Barry is in fact a younger version of David Niven, but the change of nationality makes that difficult.