Not because it's done badly, but I think it's too long. The titles could have taken place after Bond is walking across the bridge with the briefcase and the first opening shot of the film being as the money is scanned in MI6. So it's a matter of editing really, nothing more.
I agree it was a little long, and I thought the jumping out of the window was a big enough stunt.
Although on the special features commentary, It says that they didn't think it was a big enough
stunt to open with and then the pace of the film wouldn't work to have the boat chase after the
Titles.
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For me, it's a tie between "Diamonds Are Forever" and "For Your Eyes Only" as the worst PTS.
Haha. I was legitimately going to post mentioning these two films before seeing that the very last post in the thread had beaten me to it. Yeah, my vote also goes for FYEO or DAF.
Diamonds Are Forever just seems rushed as everything is happening so fast and then the bit with the new face and the mud. It was all very messy...no pun intended
Honestly as much as I defend Roger Moore on here, they never should have let him "kill" Blofeld in For Your Eyes Only. First of all, the way the scene played out was ridiculous and if anyone was going to kill Blofeld it should have been Connery! (that one was for Blackleiter lol)
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I am a big fan of Bond movies starting off with a bang – literally. So I like the ones that start with some action. Therefore, I wish LALD and TMWTGG had pushed their PTS to immediately after the OTS and had Bond in an action sequence in the PTS. At the beginning of LALD, for example, M mentions the “Rome affair.” So maybe we could see Bond in a fistfight, car chase, etc. in Rome (just an example).
However, I also think the PTS should not go on too long, as some of them do. The worst offender, of course, is TWINE, which would have been a perfect old-school opener if it had just been the jump off the balcony. If you M and Moneypenny scenes are in the PTS, then YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
TB is another instance of overkill. It sums up that era of Bond so perfectly: you start with a fantastic bit of Bond using his wits and deduction skills (“You shouldn’t have opened that car door by yourself”) and a terrific fistfight, but then it goes over the top with the jetpack. I find that Bond films are always at their worst when they can’t leave well enough alone.
From Russia With Love - Nice twist, but the whole scene raises more questions than answers... where the hell did they find a lifelike James Bond mask? And what was the point of wearing the mask to begin with? ?:)
Thunderball - Jetpack scene looks incredibly dated & silly. Also, what's up with the crash helmet?
Diamonds Are Forever - Quite possibly the worst pre-title sequence of them all, Diamonds effectively disposes of the Tracy Bond plot thread with zero catharsis & throws us headfirst into a silly plot with Blofeld attempting to clone himself.
Licence to Kill - There are nuggets of interesting moments here (Lupe Lamora being punished at the hands of Franz Sanchez), but the notion of Felix Leiter and Bond orchestrating Sanchez' capture to coincide with Leiter's wedding is laughable.
On a side-note... why the hate for Golden Gun? That pre-title sequence alone is more incredible than the whole movie!
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No arguments there, although I *do* love the funeral scene in New Orleans. If it weren't for that scene alone, the PTS would rate much, much lower in my book.
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TB is another instance of overkill. It sums up that era of Bond so perfectly: you start with a fantastic bit of Bond using his wits and deduction skills (“You shouldn’t have opened that car door by yourself”) and a terrific fistfight, but then it goes over the top with the jetpack. I find that Bond films are always at their worst when they can’t leave well enough alone.
Another similar offender would be Moonraker (although that particular title sequence gives Thunderball's a run for its money); the freefall itself is spectacular & would have made for one of the best PTS of all time... but then they shoehorn Jaws into the action and it all goes belly-up from there.
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Thunderball - Jetpack scene looks incredibly dated & silly. Also, what's up with the crash helmet?:p
They originally shot publicity shots without it on, but I remember seeing on some special feature that either they wouldn't let the double or the double refused to fly with the jet pack unless he had it on.
Also, I'll be the contrarian and say more Jaws is always better! No matter how silly
I love LTK, but its PTS has too many crass moments. David Hedison in bridegroom dress brandishing a heavy gun and running towards the action... in slow motion? He looks past the age of being able to manage a sprint, so the slo-mo effect seems like an unconvincing attempt to disguise that. The whipping of Lupe... censored in most editions and looking to be exactly what it is, i.e. trimmed down. Dalton doing his own stunts, but at the price of seeing him flapping his arms like a fledgling pigeon. The lacklustre, plodding arrangement of the Bond theme as Sanchez's plane is hooked - and the jazz flurry, misconceived for comic effect, against the shot of Davi's reaction as he realises that he's being apprehended. For the parachute jump, the triumphal note in the incidental score chiming cheesily with the whooping of the parachutists and the 'Cinzano' wedding crowd. All a bit embarrassing. But at least a lot of stuff is going on.
It wasn't till TSWLM that expectations of the PTS became so high (from then on we expected a truly spectacular stunt); it's this high expectation, from '77 on, which explains why the makers of TWINE felt that they couldn't get away with closing their PTS with the Bilbao sequence, and ended up making it overlong. In Guy Hamilton's PTSs for his trio of 70s Bond movies preceding TSWLM, he underplayed spectacle and attempted instead to focus more on the bizarre - so if we look back at this trio through a post-TSWLM lens they're going to feel a little lacking. Of the three, LALD's PTS is the least auspicious, imho. GE's 'truly spectacular stunt' is the bungee jump, but unfortunately it doesn't coincide with the climax of the PTS, where instead we get an unconvincing and therefore anticlimactic trick shot of Bond skydiving after the plane.
But all things considered, I'm going to go with OPY's PTS for squandering its stunts with the Beach Boys song.
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Not because it's done badly, but I think it's too long. The titles could have taken place after Bond is walking across the bridge with the briefcase and the first opening shot of the film being as the money is scanned in MI6. So it's a matter of editing really, nothing more.
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Although on the special features commentary, It says that they didn't think it was a big enough
stunt to open with and then the pace of the film wouldn't work to have the boat chase after the
Titles.
Haha. I was legitimately going to post mentioning these two films before seeing that the very last post in the thread had beaten me to it. Yeah, my vote also goes for FYEO or DAF.
Diamonds Are Forever just seems rushed as everything is happening so fast and then the bit with the new face and the mud. It was all very messy...no pun intended
Honestly as much as I defend Roger Moore on here, they never should have let him "kill" Blofeld in For Your Eyes Only. First of all, the way the scene played out was ridiculous and if anyone was going to kill Blofeld it should have been Connery! (that one was for Blackleiter lol)
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LOL! I figured You would like that. We may like different Bonds but we both can agree that Connery is King. Cheers! -{
And let's not forget "The Man Who Would Be King"!
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However, I also think the PTS should not go on too long, as some of them do. The worst offender, of course, is TWINE, which would have been a perfect old-school opener if it had just been the jump off the balcony. If you M and Moneypenny scenes are in the PTS, then YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
TB is another instance of overkill. It sums up that era of Bond so perfectly: you start with a fantastic bit of Bond using his wits and deduction skills (“You shouldn’t have opened that car door by yourself”) and a terrific fistfight, but then it goes over the top with the jetpack. I find that Bond films are always at their worst when they can’t leave well enough alone.
From Russia With Love - Nice twist, but the whole scene raises more questions than answers... where the hell did they find a lifelike James Bond mask? And what was the point of wearing the mask to begin with? ?:)
Thunderball - Jetpack scene looks incredibly dated & silly. Also, what's up with the crash helmet?
Diamonds Are Forever - Quite possibly the worst pre-title sequence of them all, Diamonds effectively disposes of the Tracy Bond plot thread with zero catharsis & throws us headfirst into a silly plot with Blofeld attempting to clone himself.
Licence to Kill - There are nuggets of interesting moments here (Lupe Lamora being punished at the hands of Franz Sanchez), but the notion of Felix Leiter and Bond orchestrating Sanchez' capture to coincide with Leiter's wedding is laughable.
On a side-note... why the hate for Golden Gun? That pre-title sequence alone is more incredible than the whole movie!
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No arguments there, although I *do* love the funeral scene in New Orleans. If it weren't for that scene alone, the PTS would rate much, much lower in my book.
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Another similar offender would be Moonraker (although that particular title sequence gives Thunderball's a run for its money); the freefall itself is spectacular & would have made for one of the best PTS of all time... but then they shoehorn Jaws into the action and it all goes belly-up from there.
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Brilliant stunt ( still very impressive even today -{ ) spoiled by
A silly joke ending.
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They originally shot publicity shots without it on, but I remember seeing on some special feature that either they wouldn't let the double or the double refused to fly with the jet pack unless he had it on.
Also, I'll be the contrarian and say more Jaws is always better! No matter how silly
It wasn't till TSWLM that expectations of the PTS became so high (from then on we expected a truly spectacular stunt); it's this high expectation, from '77 on, which explains why the makers of TWINE felt that they couldn't get away with closing their PTS with the Bilbao sequence, and ended up making it overlong. In Guy Hamilton's PTSs for his trio of 70s Bond movies preceding TSWLM, he underplayed spectacle and attempted instead to focus more on the bizarre - so if we look back at this trio through a post-TSWLM lens they're going to feel a little lacking. Of the three, LALD's PTS is the least auspicious, imho. GE's 'truly spectacular stunt' is the bungee jump, but unfortunately it doesn't coincide with the climax of the PTS, where instead we get an unconvincing and therefore anticlimactic trick shot of Bond skydiving after the plane.
But all things considered, I'm going to go with OPY's PTS for squandering its stunts with the Beach Boys song.
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