Let's not forget that Bond's 'grief' allows him to finally express what he failed to do as a teenager when his parents died. That allows him to 'move on'.
Anyway, Bond has teary moments at the end of LALD the novel.
The uncontrollable weeping over M is seriously un-Bond-like.
I disagree, especially when considered within the context of the Bond-M relationship that developed over the course of Craig's three Bond films. And I wouldn't exactly called that "uncontrollable" weeping.
Perhaps, but there was never meant to be a "relationship" in the first place beyond a superior-subordinate relationship. Maybe part of the reason why I thought Bond shouldn't, or wouldn't have shed a tear over M's death is because I do not agree with the direction the producers took the Bond-M relationship. It shouldn't have been anything other than a boss-subordinate relationship.
That is precisely why I referred to the "context" of the relationship. You may agree or disagree with the fact that since Craig took over the role the relationship between Bond and M changed, but that's the fact. Shedding a few tears over M's death showed a more human Bond, but it certainly didn't render him less "Bond-Like" as far as I'm concerned.
I think I wrote this before
....007 slapping around Maude, but running from male fighters in TMWTGG.......
....007 getting his butt kicked by Bambi and Thumper (before the swimming pool) DAF
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there was never meant to be a "relationship" in the first place beyond a superior-subordinate relationship. Maybe part of the reason why I thought Bond shouldn't, or wouldn't have shed a tear over M's death is because I do not agree with the direction the producers took the Bond-M relationship. It shouldn't have been anything other than a boss-subordinate relationship.
Disagree, and my source is Ian Fleming (and Kingsley Amis). In the original novels M and 007 have a not terribly implicit father/son relationship- Amis discusses this at length in "The James Bond Dossier"- and by casting a woman in the role of M
it simply changes to a mother/son relationship, which the producers (in my view sensibly) proceeded to play up. M is not merely Bond's boss, but his parent figure and a particularly strong one with his actual parents having died years ago.
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I feel the relationship between Bond and M, is very important for the series so far M has represented
a father or mother figure and in the films as in the books Bond would do anything for Him/her. It may
change with the new M. Once again giving the series a chance for a "New " take on the relationship.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Bond hinting, in Skyfarce, sorry, Skyfall, that he'd 'engaged' (to what degree, one can only hazard a guess) another bloke.
That's like suggesting Alan Carr has 'engaged' a lady.
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The uncontrollable weeping over M is seriously un-Bond-like.
I disagree, especially when considered within the context of the Bond-M relationship that developed over the course of Craig's three Bond films. And I wouldn't exactly called that "uncontrollable" weeping.
Bond has come a long way since 1969 when he couldn't be shown shedding a tear over the death of his wife.
I wonder if Lazenby's 'teary take' still survives in the Eon vault.
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Even good CGI wouldn't have made the sequence any the less ludicrous. Gee, it's lucky that none of us secret-agents fell off the boards.
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Only my opinion but I feel with the Silva scene Bond was just trying to
out wit him as he has done with other villains. According to what I've read
Peter Hunt has said the weepy take GL has spoken of, was the one used.
As for that CGI, it looks so cartoonish it's worse than the job they did
on the first Spiderman movie.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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Only my opinion but I feel with the Silva scene Bond was just trying to
out wit him as he has done with other villains. According to what I've read
Peter Hunt has said the weepy take GL has spoken of, was the one used.
As for that CGI, it looks so cartoonish it's worse than the job they did
on the first Spiderman movie.
No matter how much I love DAD I will always admit it's many flaws...and that CGI wind surfing was one of its biggest! That sequence does sort of get singled out though, I feel the CGI at the finale when the plane is disintegrating is just as bad plus it lasts a lot longer.
....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.
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Only my opinion but I feel with the Silva scene Bond was just trying to
out wit him as he has done with other villains. According to what I've read
Peter Hunt has said the weepy take GL has spoken of, was the one used.
As for that CGI, it looks so cartoonish it's worse than the job they did
on the first Spiderman movie.
No matter how much I love DAD I will always admit it's many flaws...and that CGI wind surfing was one of its biggest! That sequence does sort of get singled out though, I feel the CGI at the finale when the plane is disintegrating is just as bad plus it lasts a lot longer.
Connery: Bambi & Thumper scene as well as him going around on the Hovercraft. The latter is just an issue I have with Connery venturing into camp. It doesn't suit him well at all like it did for Moore. If you are not a fan of campyness then you wouldn't like the scene regardless, but Moore is able to pull those scenes off much better. If you want to include Never Say Never Again, then most of the movie qualifies for me.
Lazenby: Acting as Sir Hillary Bray. Granted he was undercover so he wasn't suppose to be Bondian! The other moment would be when he was at the ice skating rink looking cold and hopeless before Tracy arrived. I don't think it's a bad thing that he was Un Bondian, it shows that even Bond is vulnerable at times.
Moore: Hitting Maud Adams around in TMWTGG. It fit with Connery's Bond, but not Moore so he just looked out of place. Similarly to how Connery looks out of place doing Camp.
Dalton: Some of the scenes with Kara are a bit UnBondian, but again I don't mind them.
Brosnan: CGI Surfing. At the time the visual effects were passable, but now when I watch that scene it is so distracting that it takes me out of the viewing experience. The fantasy of it all seems lost because there was no real stunt work to be displayed and what was on the screen just didn't look real.
Craig: Haven't really noted anything yet that deviates from Craig's version of Bond.
Usually if something is not Bond-Like though, it is only because the actor is adding a new nuance to the character and I like those welcome changes. Even the moments I mentioned above I get enjoyment out of some of them.
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Only my opinion but I feel with the Silva scene Bond was just trying to
out wit him as he has done with other villains. According to what I've read
Peter Hunt has said the weepy take GL has spoken of, was the one used.
As for that CGI, it looks so cartoonish it's worse than the job they did
on the first Spiderman movie.
No matter how much I love DAD I will always admit it's many flaws...and that CGI wind surfing was one of its biggest! That sequence does sort of get singled out though, I feel the CGI at the finale when the plane is disintegrating is just as bad plus it lasts a lot longer.
Love DAD? Now I've seen everything!
I get that a lot )
....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.
Connery: Bambi & Thumper scene as well as him going around on the Hovercraft. The latter is just an issue I have with Connery venturing into camp. It doesn't suit him well at all like it did for Moore. If you are not a fan of campyness then you wouldn't like the scene regardless, but Moore is able to pull those scenes off much better. If you want to include Never Say Never Again, then most of the movie qualifies for me.
Lazenby: Acting as Sir Hillary Bray. Granted he was undercover so he wasn't suppose to be Bondian! The other moment would be when he was at the ice skating rink looking cold and hopeless before Tracy arrived. I don't think it's a bad thing that he was Un Bondian, it shows that even Bond is vulnerable at times.
Moore: Hitting Maud Adams around in TMWTGG. It fit with Connery's Bond, but not Moore so he just looked out of place. Similarly to how Connery looks out of place doing Camp.
Dalton: Some of the scenes with Kara are a bit UnBondian, but again I don't mind them.
Brosnan: CGI Surfing. At the time the visual effects were passable, but now when I watch that scene it is so distracting that it takes me out of the viewing experience. The fantasy of it all seems lost because there was no real stunt work to be displayed and what was on the screen just didn't look real.
Craig: Haven't really noted anything yet that deviates from Craig's version of Bond.
Usually if something is not Bond-Like though, it is only because the actor is adding a new nuance to the character and I like those welcome changes. Even the moments I mentioned above I get enjoyment out of some of them.
Connery: Bambi & Thumper scene as well as him going around on the Hovercraft. The latter is just an issue I have with Connery venturing into camp. It doesn't suit him well at all like it did for Moore. If you are not a fan of campyness then you wouldn't like the scene regardless, but Moore is able to pull those scenes off much better. If you want to include Never Say Never Again, then most of the movie qualifies for me.
Lazenby: Acting as Sir Hillary Bray. Granted he was undercover so he wasn't suppose to be Bondian! The other moment would be when he was at the ice skating rink looking cold and hopeless before Tracy arrived. I don't think it's a bad thing that he was Un Bondian, it shows that even Bond is vulnerable at times.
Moore: Hitting Maud Adams around in TMWTGG. It fit with Connery's Bond, but not Moore so he just looked out of place. Similarly to how Connery looks out of place doing Camp.
Dalton: Some of the scenes with Kara are a bit UnBondian, but again I don't mind them.
Brosnan: CGI Surfing. At the time the visual effects were passable, but now when I watch that scene it is so distracting that it takes me out of the viewing experience. The fantasy of it all seems lost because there was no real stunt work to be displayed and what was on the screen just didn't look real.
Craig: Haven't really noted anything yet that deviates from Craig's version of Bond.
Usually if something is not Bond-Like though, it is only because the actor is adding a new nuance to the character and I like those welcome changes. Even the moments I mentioned above I get enjoyment out of some of them.
How is riding a hovercraft campy?
The Moon Buggy rather. It was incredibly campy! With the astronauts going in slow motion and the weird three wheel dirt bikes chasing after him. Don't get me wrong, I love the camp aspect of Bond, I just don't think Connery pulls it off well.
I agree the Fleming Bond can be quite a wet blanket around women, all that was missing was Dalton telling them they needed a "good spanking" (prob not appropriate in Licence to Kill with Sanchez's bird lol)
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Only my opinion but I feel with the Silva scene Bond was just trying to
out wit him as he has done with other villains. According to what I've read
Peter Hunt has said the weepy take GL has spoken of, was the one used.
As for that CGI, it looks so cartoonish it's worse than the job they did
on the first Spiderman movie.
No matter how much I love DAD I will always admit it's many flaws...and that CGI wind surfing was one of its biggest! That sequence does sort of get singled out though, I feel the CGI at the finale when the plane is disintegrating is just as bad plus it lasts a lot longer.
Love DAD? Now I've seen everything!
Well I loved that movie when I saw it when I was 9
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Anyway, Bond has teary moments at the end of LALD the novel.
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That is precisely why I referred to the "context" of the relationship. You may agree or disagree with the fact that since Craig took over the role the relationship between Bond and M changed, but that's the fact. Shedding a few tears over M's death showed a more human Bond, but it certainly didn't render him less "Bond-Like" as far as I'm concerned.
....007 slapping around Maude, but running from male fighters in TMWTGG.......
....007 getting his butt kicked by Bambi and Thumper (before the swimming pool) DAF
finger sucking and"You don't know what I can do with my little finger! " in CR
Disagree, and my source is Ian Fleming (and Kingsley Amis). In the original novels M and 007 have a not terribly implicit father/son relationship- Amis discusses this at length in "The James Bond Dossier"- and by casting a woman in the role of M
it simply changes to a mother/son relationship, which the producers (in my view sensibly) proceeded to play up. M is not merely Bond's boss, but his parent figure and a particularly strong one with his actual parents having died years ago.
I feel the relationship between Bond and M, is very important for the series so far M has represented
a father or mother figure and in the films as in the books Bond would do anything for Him/her. It may
change with the new M. Once again giving the series a chance for a "New " take on the relationship.
That's like suggesting Alan Carr has 'engaged' a lady.
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www.shamthology.com
Bond has come a long way since 1969 when he couldn't be shown shedding a tear over the death of his wife.
I wonder if Lazenby's 'teary take' still survives in the Eon vault.
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The Bondles' Shamthology - the official unofficial website of the Sad Double-Oh Seven, The Bondles.
www.shamthology.com
Even good CGI wouldn't have made the sequence any the less ludicrous. Gee, it's lucky that none of us secret-agents fell off the boards.
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The Bondles' Shamthology - the official unofficial website of the Sad Double-Oh Seven, The Bondles.
www.shamthology.com
Only my opinion but I feel with the Silva scene Bond was just trying to
out wit him as he has done with other villains. According to what I've read
Peter Hunt has said the weepy take GL has spoken of, was the one used.
As for that CGI, it looks so cartoonish it's worse than the job they did
on the first Spiderman movie.
No matter how much I love DAD I will always admit it's many flaws...and that CGI wind surfing was one of its biggest! That sequence does sort of get singled out though, I feel the CGI at the finale when the plane is disintegrating is just as bad plus it lasts a lot longer.
Love DAD? Now I've seen everything!
Lazenby: Acting as Sir Hillary Bray. Granted he was undercover so he wasn't suppose to be Bondian! The other moment would be when he was at the ice skating rink looking cold and hopeless before Tracy arrived. I don't think it's a bad thing that he was Un Bondian, it shows that even Bond is vulnerable at times.
Moore: Hitting Maud Adams around in TMWTGG. It fit with Connery's Bond, but not Moore so he just looked out of place. Similarly to how Connery looks out of place doing Camp.
Dalton: Some of the scenes with Kara are a bit UnBondian, but again I don't mind them.
Brosnan: CGI Surfing. At the time the visual effects were passable, but now when I watch that scene it is so distracting that it takes me out of the viewing experience. The fantasy of it all seems lost because there was no real stunt work to be displayed and what was on the screen just didn't look real.
Craig: Haven't really noted anything yet that deviates from Craig's version of Bond.
Usually if something is not Bond-Like though, it is only because the actor is adding a new nuance to the character and I like those welcome changes. Even the moments I mentioned above I get enjoyment out of some of them.
I get that a lot
How old was Bibi supposed to be in the film lol??????
The Moon Buggy rather. It was incredibly campy! With the astronauts going in slow motion and the weird three wheel dirt bikes chasing after him. Don't get me wrong, I love the camp aspect of Bond, I just don't think Connery pulls it off well.
hear, hear!
In these scenes, he's more a cuddly teddybear than a secret agent.
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Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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You obviously haven't read what the Fleming Bond is like around women. 8-)