Madagascar Shirt Casino Royale (not magnoli)
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Hi guys, long time since I last posted and I have a query.
I purchased one of the Madagascar chase shirts from Casino Royale waaaaay back in 2008/2009 from this thread http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/29632/the-madagascar-shirt-the-deal/page/51/, but have never got around to framing it as intended.
It has sat in a wardrobe for the last 5 years and my collecting habits have changed a lot since buying it, I know that there was talk of buyers not being allowed to sell them on, but as I am unlikely to ever get around to framing it, and it has only ever been worn for a couple of quick photo's when it arrived I was thinking it may be better off in someone else's collection so was thinking of sticking it up on eBay and just wanted to make sure it was ok to do so.
Any feedback from any of the guys involved in the project of getting these made would be appreciated
I purchased one of the Madagascar chase shirts from Casino Royale waaaaay back in 2008/2009 from this thread http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/29632/the-madagascar-shirt-the-deal/page/51/, but have never got around to framing it as intended.
It has sat in a wardrobe for the last 5 years and my collecting habits have changed a lot since buying it, I know that there was talk of buyers not being allowed to sell them on, but as I am unlikely to ever get around to framing it, and it has only ever been worn for a couple of quick photo's when it arrived I was thinking it may be better off in someone else's collection so was thinking of sticking it up on eBay and just wanted to make sure it was ok to do so.
Any feedback from any of the guys involved in the project of getting these made would be appreciated
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Pit 2 pit is 54cm (21")
Base of collar to bottom of shirt is 72cm (28.5")
I can email better quality photos on request.
If i do sell, I'm afraid it would be uk only.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/James-Bond-007-Casino-Royale-Madagascar-Chase-Shirt-Daniel-Craig-/321329841343?pt=UK_DVD_Film_TV_Film_Memorabilia_LE&hash=item4ad0c044bf
We've been in contact and have agreed on basic details.
I'm on record acknowledging that a price is just that, a meeting ground between consenting adults involved in an exchange. Caveat emptor.
But in this case, I'd just point out that these shirts were made as a low-price fan collectable, and I personally lost a great deal of money on this project.
So to see the shirt offered at two/three times it's purchase price raises one's eyebrows.
Indeed I've recently sold a few of these for less than their original cost, to continue the spirit of the original project - a fan collectable.
If you raise that price then that's great for all those who purchased the shirt, knowing that they are already appreciating in value.
But I'd be extremely unhappy if this were to trigger a wave of selling to try to cash in on a 200% profit.
When you asked me, I was under the impression you didnt get the use out of the shirt and would be happy to get back what you paid.
I'm not sure that your eBay posting is consistent with that intent.
Anyway good luck with the sale.
Cheers Paul
It is great that you are still selling the shirts at less than there original cost for people that missed out 5 years ago and the fact that you lost money to make the project happen was admirable.
I will say publicly that even if it were to sell at my top asking price, I would not be making 200% profit on what I paid for the shirt, more like 50% in fact.
If I had bought the shirt to flip for a profit, I would have sold it a long time ago and to suggest that I am trying to make a huge profit is completely wrong. I have listed it at a price that may be high but could have been a lot higher.
Frankly, I don't know what sort of offers (if any) will be made on the eBay listing, but if the shirt is an appreciating asset (as well as a wonderful collectible) then I'm afraid I see no harm in realising a little of that profit. Had you wanted to limit it's value, surely more could have been made for people in the first instance at a lower price rather than the limited quantity that were produced?
Anyway, I contacted you as a courtesy and I appreciate the feedback, but maybe it's time I stepped away.
I fail to see how you couldn't be doubling your money at that price - at least.
Ke02eww - with help, if I remember rightly - went even beyond that 'extra mile' for these shirts...and if he can't turn a profit then I, personally, think it unfair that you should profit off his back. But its up to yourself and your conscience to decide that.
If it were to sell for my full asking of £450 ($750 at today's currency rate) then after fees, postage, packing and insurance I would make around £135 profit - not doubling my money.
As it is, possible buyers are able to make offers on the listing for me to consider, so it is they likely that I will make less profit.
Of course there is nothing to say that if I had put it up as an auction that it would not reach that price or higher - I have no way of knowing.
I've no idea why yours cost that much ?:)
That's a VERY healthy profit....
As I said...its down to your conscience....
I hope ke02eww puts a few shirts on eBay too then -{
It cost that much because that was the amount I was told to pay. Would you like a copy of the paypal transaction?
Here you go
And it is a healthy profit if it sells at full price, I would think anyone wanting to buy it would likely make me a lower offer, so it is unlikely to see that level of profit.
Is it now only ok to be happy that we own items which the value increases on as long as we never actually sell those items?
I'm sure that there must be other members on here that have sold things in the past at more than they purchased them for when they needed the money for other things.
The problem with these highly rare items, which are done on AJB is that these are not meant to be sold.
The spirit of the Madagascar shirt was to give something to avid fans for enjoyment and not for resale - profit or no.
We all know what happened with one shirt where the fabric has been blatantly and immediately ripped off and who knows what happens with the shirt if some unknown buyer on ebay snaps it.
That's exactly the reason why I am doing my projects in secret and only supply people whom I know and all of them are aware that no reselling is allowed.
I am sure that Paul will not do a similar project on AJB anymore for that reason and I know others who don't do it as well.
It's really a shame but we just have to look in the sales threads, where new members are loading off their stuff which they bought some weeks ago.
This is a very unfortunate situation for all parties - I wish that the op would understand and honor the nature of the project and refrain from selling his shirt.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I'm not sure why YOU are getting tetchy and irate... ?:) ....you are the one going against the grain - and promise - in selling this shirt....and for a big profit...if you couldn't stick the rules then you shouldn't have bought one, its that simple in my eyes.
Your other point - about selling items for a profit - is just plain ridiculous...you knew the rules when buying this shirt - a 'Gentleman's agreement' if you will...at least you asked Paul about selling the shirt - but it seems you were less than 'gentlemanly' when doing so...I mean, breaking even if one thing...but....
As I said...its down to your conscience...
I hope Paul places some on eBay....and I really hope HE, at least, breaks even -{
I find that sad too, Bondtoys...AJB used to be great for that...
I bought one from Paul with great thanks and I bought another from a well known member on here but it was sold at the cost value, no profit. (Albeit that one was to big and I have still not sold it on) I do agree with the fact we do not want 100's of cheap poorly made copies out there.
Not to mention as said Paul has some of these still and he has not started sticking them on ebay.
Ross
I didn't sign up and buy this a few weeks ago, I signed up 6 years ago, and bought this over 5 years ago. I never intended to sell the shirt, and have stated from my original posts in Feb 2008 that it was bought with the intention to be framed and mounted.
I'm guessing your collection tastes have never changed, you've never sold anything to put the money towards other thing, or you've just plain needed the cash and had to sell anything? You have also never ever sold anything and made a profit due to the value going up?
Good for you.
I've done my best to be civil, and explain the situation and all I've been met with is accusations of buying the shirt for the goal of making a profit which isn't true. I bought the shirt to keep, but my collecting habits have changed and I would like to sell this to put into my other collection.
I've got people telling me it shouldn't be sold at all, and others telling me it should only be sold as long as I don't make profit from it. Even if I put it up for auction with a low start price and no reserve, there is still a chance I could make a profit on it, should I be expected to refuse peoples money?
I've now also got people questioning why the shirt cost me so much, did I pay more than everyone else?
I really don't see why I'm bothering to try and defend myself quite frankly, no one is being forced to buy the shirt, and if I get no offers for it, then it will stay in the wardrobe.
Sorry I couldn't see 5 years into the future when I bought it. No one has made me any offers on the shirt, and I never said I wasn't prepared to just break even. Even to break even via eBay would mean someone paying more than I did.
My conscience is clear thanks, I bought an item being offered for the price I was told it would cost (and which you didn't seem to believe I had paid). I never got round to using it and now want to move it on after owning it for years, not days or weeks.
If something like that comes up, you should only spend money that you don't need at a later point of time.
For my part - my wife did not get anything to eat for 4 weeks to raise that money, why should she get now double of her usual food just because I may be able to sell the shirt ?
If you value money over a gentlemens agreement - your choice.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
What a ridiculous thing to say, I would love to keep every single thing I ever buy, life doesn't always work out that way and tastes and situations change.
Especially as no one seems to actually mind me passing this shirt on as long as it is for cost or less and only to members of the site.
Well said -{
And where did I say I disbelieved you about the price you paid ? As you didn't state a price to start with - please don't put words in my mouth.
What about here?
Anyway, as I am clearly not a gentleman, why not just ban my account and be done with it? Every time I post I'm just going to be attacked, I'll sell ANY of my possessions if I so choose.
I contacted Paul out of respect, something which I've not been shown very much of in return. If he chooses to put some on eBay then good on him, maybe it should have been opened up to more people at a lower price to begin with, especially as he has some left over which he is still selling.
Accusations of trying to make 200% profit are just silly! Simple maths disproves that, trying to make out that I only bought the shirt to sell on are equally stupid, there are much better things to invest in to make a profit.
Yes, it may be ridiculous in your ears: Keeping a word, sticking to a gentleman's agreement.
I have seen many ridiculous sentences from your side but did not get that personal. Gentleman?
If you read my lines again, the main beef is that you are selling that thing AT ALL. It was not meant to be passed again and moaning that there are no takers for your made-to measures shirt does not make things any better!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I apologise if that was not clear.
I had no idea that 5 years down the line I would need the cash for other things, since buying the shirt I have been made redundant, and am now a stay at home dad since my daughter was born. I'll do what's best for me and my family, rather than worry about a few people on the internet and whether they think I'm being an arse or not.
Yep! Me, myself and I!
As you don't care what we think about you - don't expect sympathy for your financial situation or the circumstances of your sale.
It stays: No matter why and how much you care - you are breaking your word and the gentlemen's agreement.
Not so gentleman if you are asking me :v
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I was trying to explain that things had changed that I didn't foresee, that was all. But no, when attacked for my principles, I can tell you, the thoughts of my family and myself definitely far outweigh the worries of what a few people on the www think about me.
I would hope you put your family and needs first too.
he obviously isn't really interested in the AJB or Bond world .. I mean 63 posts in 6 years?
and most of them are about the purchase and now sale of "the shirt" .....
i will put it on record here now that the "enjoying death" shirt i will be receiving soon will NEVER be sold..
You did contact Paul, but it appears that he is disappointed by your actions after your words to him in private. It looks like you said one thing and then did another.
Respect is earned - not a given right...
Obviously I'm not as into 007 as all of the regulars on here, but loved Casino Royale and wanted the shirt. Now I'm into other things.
I'm glad that you are in a position to say that you will never want or need to sell the 'enjoying death' shirt, I don't like to say never as I don't know what the future holds.
I see you have still not responded regarding the price you seem to think I didn't pay.
Here is my conversation with Paul
I don't believe I said one thing and then did another.
PM removed for security and privacy reasons
It's probably best to close this topic now...its just degenerating...obviously people can PM if they so wish.