Dan, I think it would be a good idea to post the chest pit to pit measurement as well, to help people better understand the sizing in relation to the sleeve length.
SilverFinger no need to be rude , in your picture the sleeves length seems short. I'm 42 like the others and the sleeves length of my jackets are between 25 and 26, perfect length. But if the back length without the collar is 26 or 27, the sleeves became short. I measured the back length of my jackets and they are all between 24 and 25.
This is my opinion so chill out.
Some Belstaff have the perfect ratio between the back length and the sleeves length. J Crew is OK too.
I think I'm right in saying that Dan made these jackets with a slightly shorter sleeve length internationally - I remember him stating "it allows you to show off your Omega"
I had one of these jacket, fitted perfect on the chest but the short sleeves made it look overal too small - sold it on last year.
18-19" chest, 17" shoulder to shoulder, 24-25" back length, and 25.5 or 26" sleeve length on a size small would be ideal and just go from there with the other sizes. also, the slimmer the better. although looking at that pic of craig it seems the Tom Ford is not all that slim. I think the sleeves are pretty baggy and don't look all that great, especially when they bunch up like that. just my opinion.
18-19" chest, 17" shoulder to shoulder, 24-25" back length, and 25.5 or 26" sleeve length on a size small would be ideal and just go from there with the other sizes. also, the slimmer the better. although looking at that pic of craig it seems the Tom Ford is not all that slim. I think the sleeves are pretty baggy and don't look all that great, especially when they bunch up like that. just my opinion.
Going from experience with different sizings, an 18-19" chest would be an XS in sizing.
1) Is it possible to bring the pocket border a little closer to the one of the Tom Ford jacket?
In your photo they look a bit too wide and too flat. For example: Magnoli (see picture) has incorporated a thin rubber tube at the border and I think whose pockets are very similar to the original.
2) The Tom Ford harrington has a crease in order to reduce the fabric at the cuffs.
Can you also integrate a crease please?
18-19" chest, 17" shoulder to shoulder, 24-25" back length, and 25.5 or 26" sleeve length on a size small would be ideal and just go from there with the other sizes. also, the slimmer the better. although looking at that pic of craig it seems the Tom Ford is not all that slim. I think the sleeves are pretty baggy and don't look all that great, especially when they bunch up like that. just my opinion.
Going from experience with different sizings, an 18-19" chest would be an XS in sizing.
I guess this is true since most manufacturers include a couple extra inches in the chest, but I have about a 37" chest and wear smalls in just about everything. I don't think there needs to be any more than 1 or 1.5" extra in the chest when it comes to slim fits. a 40 or 41" chest just doesn't look good with someone who usually wears a size 36 which is what I consider a size small. if it were something meant to be layered that'd be ok but this jacket will most likely only be worn with a t-shirt or polo. guess we'll just have to wait and see what he comes up with measurement wise.
Okay... I’ll give in. My intention at this point was only to get some ballpark sizing requirements, but I’ll post my current sizing table I’m working from. Please be aware that there may be some changes to this in the finished product, I’ll get my trusty tape measure out and update it if necessary once the items are in hand. I have also attached a thread discussing ‘standard jacket sizing’ but I will summarise that now.
To avoid any further confusion with chest measurement, I want to clarify some standardised sizing misconceptions. Chest sizing, just like ‘vanity sizing’ in jeans etc. has become needlessly complicated in recent years. Regardless of whether you perceive this to be correct, I am not looking to open up a debate here about what’s right or wrong, that would be to hijack the thread. I simply aim to explain my sizing, which is in my understanding relatively standard.
Typically speaking quoting a ‘chest size’ is unreliable, there are a lot of variations manufacturer to manufacturer, working directly from your best fitting jacket chest size (pit-to-pit) is by far the best way to ensure the right fit for you.
ROOM!!! Okay, the standard amount of ‘room’ built into a quoted chest size is usually 4 inches, but that could vary with cut, or jacket style. That is to say if your body chest measurement is 40” the pit to pit of your perceived ideal jacket is 22” or 44” in total (the garment chest dimension) HOWEVER, those who like a more ‘fitted’ look may want less therefore, they may opt to wear a size 38” which +4” actually measures 42” on the garment and is only 2” larger than their 40” body measurement.
Typically speaking a well fitting SUIT jacket should have around 2” of room above your body chest measurement. BUT unlike a casual jacket the suit jacket is not intended to be zipped up to the neck enclosing and therefore restricting the chest movement. So, for arguments sake a casual jacket should include 3-4 inches of room ideally.
PIT-TO-PIT is by far the best way to determine correct fit for you, however as a guide only I am offering a suggested approximation of chest size. Please note that my sizing includes the standard 4” of room built in. IT IS UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL to take the time to carefully measure their own best fitting jackets (not a suit jacket, too unreliable)
Ideally base your decisions on your pit-to-pit of your best fitting jacket OR aim for 3-5 inches of room above your body measurement depending on what type of fit you want.
If you have contacted me and wish to advise of a sizing change, please feel free to do so. I promise I’ll do my very best to keep up, but I will be away from my office for the next couple of days and will sift through your many questions and details upon my return.
Just one last thing.... You will note on my size guide that the XS, S and Medium jackets all share the same sleeve and back length to ensure that the slimmer, but taller among you are not disadvantaged in those chest sizes with back and sleeve length.
Thanks for reading... I’ll get back to you all in a couple of days!!
Please inform me of a pit-to-pit measurement for chest size from now on, thanks guys.
Do you know if the small has changed sizing from the 1st jacket you produced?
Jon (and Dan)
Just measured my original Large and is pretty much identical to the measurements above for the Medium (does this sound right Dan ?)... Apart from it appears about an extra inch on the sleeve length (which was needed at least, probably an extra 1.5 would be ideal....)
Dan, Ive PM'd you and if the fabric is as you say heavier and also a few extra tweaks made, I'll be in for whatever size matches the original Large. Looks like a flattering Medium ;-)
please will you tll me how the new small compares with old small .. as the old small fits exactly ...
in fact can you please repost the old size chart next to the new one so anyone who has an origional cad compare and decide what size they want of the new?
"some men are coming to kill us, we're going to kill them first"
Back length 26'' for the XS , S and M is very long. What do you think guys ?
XS should be 24'' , S 24,5'' and M 25''.
agreed. 26" is a tad long, even for us tall people. I'm about 6'1'' and like my jackets to be about 24" long down the back. hopefully he can make some adjustments to the back length...but whatever you do dan, keep the sleeves long!!! haha. 26" sleeves is perfect.
Good afternoon gentlemen (here in sunny Australia),
First of all I'd like to thank you all for your feedback on sizing and details, thats the sort of stuff that helps me improve. Okay so noted we would like some changes to sleeve length and back length in particular. I have attached a new sizing table expressing these small changes in yellow. I apologise to those of you who may now have to get sleeves tailored down in length, but I refuse to be know for short sleeves ever again. I will express the importance of these details to my manufacturer. The sample should be in hand in 24hrs, it is in Brisbane ready for delivery tommorrow being Monday. Thank you all for contacting me directly please let me know which of my sizes based on the table best suits you (XS,S,M,L,XL). If these do sell out rather quickly gents, fear not I may do an immediate second run as the interest in this jacket has been greater than I anticipated.
Good afternoon gentlemen (here in sunny Australia),
First of all I'd like to thank you all for your feedback on sizing and details, thats the sort of stuff that helps me improve. Okay so noted we would like some changes to sleeve length and back length in particular. I have attached a new sizing table expressing these small changes in yellow. I apologise to those of you who may now have to get sleeves tailored down in length, but I refuse to be know for short sleeves ever again. I will express the importance of these details to my manufacturer. The sample should be in hand in 24hrs, it is in Brisbane ready for delivery tommorrow being Monday. Thank you all for contacting me directly please let me know which of my sizes based on the table best suits you (XS,S,M,L,XL). If these do sell out rather quickly gents, fear not I may do an immediate second run as the interest in this jacket has been greater than I anticipated.
Some great news... the sample jacket arrived in the post yesterday and I’m very impressed. The quality is excellent and the small change to the collar tips came out brilliantly. Since I commissioned the sample we have made another couple of small changes, most notably to the pockets which will now reflect the original very well I’m sure by being narrower in construction.
I have this afternoon placed the order with my manufacturer after confirmation of ammendments, numbers as you know are very limited, but I have ordered a few more than originally intended and will have a dozen or so spares at this point. So if you do want one you will have to shoot me an email to get on the ebay notification list, as I suspect they will sell out quickly. It is as mentioned first in best dressed through ebay once they hit.
Thank you to everyone who has helped me with images and details, the result I believe will be worth the wait. The fit of the sample is excellent, the measurements are bang on the medium jacket spec and my manufacturer has stressed his willingness to provide me with exactly what I’m looking for in sizing and every small detail.
These photos were taken today with a higher exposure on the camera to try and show off some detail, as darker items are difficult to photograph. I have bumped up the contrast a bit to balance that out.
Contact me at magicmandanlove@gmail.com if you’re interested in one of the remaining dozen or so jackets and wish to be notified via email when they hit ebay. (approx. $170USD)
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This is my opinion so chill out.
Some Belstaff have the perfect ratio between the back length and the sleeves length. J Crew is OK too.
I had one of these jacket, fitted perfect on the chest but the short sleeves made it look overal too small - sold it on last year.
Short jacket , sleeves seem to end at wrist not at thumb knuckle .
Also, take into account the stacking on the arms at the cuff. Goes to show the length of the arms is more then where it hits.
1) Is it possible to bring the pocket border a little closer to the one of the Tom Ford jacket?
In your photo they look a bit too wide and too flat. For example: Magnoli (see picture) has incorporated a thin rubber tube at the border and I think whose pockets are very similar to the original.
2) The Tom Ford harrington has a crease in order to reduce the fabric at the cuffs.
Can you also integrate a crease please?
I guess this is true since most manufacturers include a couple extra inches in the chest, but I have about a 37" chest and wear smalls in just about everything. I don't think there needs to be any more than 1 or 1.5" extra in the chest when it comes to slim fits. a 40 or 41" chest just doesn't look good with someone who usually wears a size 36 which is what I consider a size small. if it were something meant to be layered that'd be ok but this jacket will most likely only be worn with a t-shirt or polo. guess we'll just have to wait and see what he comes up with measurement wise.
Okay... I’ll give in. My intention at this point was only to get some ballpark sizing requirements, but I’ll post my current sizing table I’m working from. Please be aware that there may be some changes to this in the finished product, I’ll get my trusty tape measure out and update it if necessary once the items are in hand. I have also attached a thread discussing ‘standard jacket sizing’ but I will summarise that now.
To avoid any further confusion with chest measurement, I want to clarify some standardised sizing misconceptions. Chest sizing, just like ‘vanity sizing’ in jeans etc. has become needlessly complicated in recent years. Regardless of whether you perceive this to be correct, I am not looking to open up a debate here about what’s right or wrong, that would be to hijack the thread. I simply aim to explain my sizing, which is in my understanding relatively standard.
Typically speaking quoting a ‘chest size’ is unreliable, there are a lot of variations manufacturer to manufacturer, working directly from your best fitting jacket chest size (pit-to-pit) is by far the best way to ensure the right fit for you.
ROOM!!! Okay, the standard amount of ‘room’ built into a quoted chest size is usually 4 inches, but that could vary with cut, or jacket style. That is to say if your body chest measurement is 40” the pit to pit of your perceived ideal jacket is 22” or 44” in total (the garment chest dimension) HOWEVER, those who like a more ‘fitted’ look may want less therefore, they may opt to wear a size 38” which +4” actually measures 42” on the garment and is only 2” larger than their 40” body measurement.
Typically speaking a well fitting SUIT jacket should have around 2” of room above your body chest measurement. BUT unlike a casual jacket the suit jacket is not intended to be zipped up to the neck enclosing and therefore restricting the chest movement. So, for arguments sake a casual jacket should include 3-4 inches of room ideally.
PIT-TO-PIT is by far the best way to determine correct fit for you, however as a guide only I am offering a suggested approximation of chest size. Please note that my sizing includes the standard 4” of room built in. IT IS UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL to take the time to carefully measure their own best fitting jackets (not a suit jacket, too unreliable)
Ideally base your decisions on your pit-to-pit of your best fitting jacket OR aim for 3-5 inches of room above your body measurement depending on what type of fit you want.
If you have contacted me and wish to advise of a sizing change, please feel free to do so. I promise I’ll do my very best to keep up, but I will be away from my office for the next couple of days and will sift through your many questions and details upon my return.
Just one last thing.... You will note on my size guide that the XS, S and Medium jackets all share the same sleeve and back length to ensure that the slimmer, but taller among you are not disadvantaged in those chest sizes with back and sleeve length.
Thanks for reading... I’ll get back to you all in a couple of days!!
Please inform me of a pit-to-pit measurement for chest size from now on, thanks guys.
Cheers,
Dan.
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Do you know if the small has changed sizing from the 1st jacket you produced?
Thank you.
1.SF 2.CR 3.OHMSS 4.DN 5.YOLT
Jon (and Dan)
Just measured my original Large and is pretty much identical to the measurements above for the Medium (does this sound right Dan ?)... Apart from it appears about an extra inch on the sleeve length (which was needed at least, probably an extra 1.5 would be ideal....)
Dan, Ive PM'd you and if the fabric is as you say heavier and also a few extra tweaks made, I'll be in for whatever size matches the original Large. Looks like a flattering Medium ;-)
Keep that Y-3 replica in your mind too !!!
M
1. CR. 2. TSWLM. 3. LTK. 4. GF. 5. SF.
in fact can you please repost the old size chart next to the new one so anyone who has an origional cad compare and decide what size they want of the new?
First order
Second order
XS should be 24'' , S 24,5'' and M 25''.
agreed. 26" is a tad long, even for us tall people. I'm about 6'1'' and like my jackets to be about 24" long down the back. hopefully he can make some adjustments to the back length...but whatever you do dan, keep the sleeves long!!! haha. 26" sleeves is perfect.
First of all I'd like to thank you all for your feedback on sizing and details, thats the sort of stuff that helps me improve. Okay so noted we would like some changes to sleeve length and back length in particular. I have attached a new sizing table expressing these small changes in yellow. I apologise to those of you who may now have to get sleeves tailored down in length, but I refuse to be know for short sleeves ever again. I will express the importance of these details to my manufacturer. The sample should be in hand in 24hrs, it is in Brisbane ready for delivery tommorrow being Monday. Thank you all for contacting me directly please let me know which of my sizes based on the table best suits you (XS,S,M,L,XL). If these do sell out rather quickly gents, fear not I may do an immediate second run as the interest in this jacket has been greater than I anticipated.
I hope you all have had a spectacular weekend,
Thanks again,
Dan.
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Great to take on so much feedback and do something with it. I think (medium anyway) looks about spot on....
Now for that Y-3 ;-) !!!
M
1. CR. 2. TSWLM. 3. LTK. 4. GF. 5. SF.
I think those changes are much better then previous.
Some great news... the sample jacket arrived in the post yesterday and I’m very impressed. The quality is excellent and the small change to the collar tips came out brilliantly. Since I commissioned the sample we have made another couple of small changes, most notably to the pockets which will now reflect the original very well I’m sure by being narrower in construction.
I have this afternoon placed the order with my manufacturer after confirmation of ammendments, numbers as you know are very limited, but I have ordered a few more than originally intended and will have a dozen or so spares at this point. So if you do want one you will have to shoot me an email to get on the ebay notification list, as I suspect they will sell out quickly. It is as mentioned first in best dressed through ebay once they hit.
Thank you to everyone who has helped me with images and details, the result I believe will be worth the wait. The fit of the sample is excellent, the measurements are bang on the medium jacket spec and my manufacturer has stressed his willingness to provide me with exactly what I’m looking for in sizing and every small detail.
These photos were taken today with a higher exposure on the camera to try and show off some detail, as darker items are difficult to photograph. I have bumped up the contrast a bit to balance that out.
Contact me at magicmandanlove@gmail.com if you’re interested in one of the remaining dozen or so jackets and wish to be notified via email when they hit ebay. (approx. $170USD)
Thanks guys,
Dan.
https://royalefilmwear.storenvy.com
https://www.facebook.com/royalefilmwear
https://instagram.com/royale_filmwear