Dr. No Homburg Hat Lock&Co. For Sale

Selling the original Bond hat: The black Homburg that Connery wears while in formal evening wear when he stumbles upon Sylvia Trench in his flat.
She is putting into his Trilby, which is on the floor. Connery is carrying the Homburg.
The Suits of James Bond.com mentions this on their site.
There is a famous still of Connery wearing this hat, and an overcoat. I always thought it was from Woman of Straw, but it was from Dr. No.

Mint from Lock&Co London. Paid $300 plus in 2009, will sell for $150 plus shipping. Size 7 UK
Check it out on their site.
vivlempereur@hotmail.com if interested.
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Comments

  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Sorry to break it to you, but that is not a homburg, it's a fedora. It's a very nice hat, but not the same as any hat Bond has worn. Here's my article on the homburg: http://thesuitsofjamesbond.com/?p=1563
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  • Gebruder GumboldGebruder Gumbold San FranciscoPosts: 549MI6 Agent
    Well, let's see: The invoice from Lock&Co says it is a Homburg, and Mr. Phillip Lamb, who has been with Lock for many years also said that it was a Homburg, when I was standing there purchasing the hat at Lock.
    So now that your comments have discredited an item that I have for sale, what say you?
  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,860MI6 Agent
    Not trying to discredit anything you are selling but I'd say the hat on your pictures is still a fedora.
    1. Ohmss 2. Frwl 3. Op 4. Tswlm 5. Tld 6. Ge 7. Yolt 8. Lald 9. Cr 10. Ltk 11. Dn 12. Gf 13. Qos 14. Mr 15. Tmwtgg 16. Fyeo 17. Twine 18. Sf 19. Tb 20 Tnd 21. Spectre 22 Daf 23. Avtak 24. Dad
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Well, let's see: The invoice from Lock&Co says it is a Homburg, and Mr. Phillip Lamb, who has been with Lock for many years also said that it was a Homburg, when I was standing there purchasing the hat at Lock.
    So now that your comments have discredited an item that I have for sale, what say you?

    I don't mean to discredit the hat. It's a beautiful hat and one of the best hats one can get. But it is not a homburg and not like the hat Sean Connery wore in Dr. No. The proper homburg has a brim that is curled up all the way around and has a bound edge. Every definition of the homburg I've ever read says this. Traditionally the homburg does not have a front pinch (Connery's does not) but some do. The front pinch can be removed, but I'm afraid that your brim is a classic fedora brim. It's what distinguishes the fedora from the homburg. Here's the homburg on Lock's site:

    http://www.lockhatters.co.uk/Homburg-details.aspx

    That is like the hat Sean Connery wore at the beginning of Dr. No, and it is not the same as your hat. I don't mean any offence to you, but I don't want other members here falsely believing that this is the same as hat Sean Connery wore in Dr. No.
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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,535MI6 Agent
    edited March 2014
    It's a fedora, not like Bond's at all, but still one great hat. Fedora's are so much cooler than Homburgs.


    EDIT..

    The Homburg in Dr No is very distinct from the fedora in the bash and brim. This is the hat from the scenes mentioned showing a typical Homburg curled brim and lack of pinch:-

    Dr-No-Homburg.jpg

    ... And that promo shot showing the same hat - lack of pinch, curled brim:-

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    Sadly, but most definitely a very different hat from the one offered.
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  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Also, you seem to be suggesting this same hat is the Lazenby trilby from OHMSS here (see post #18) :

    http://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/444395/#p444395

    ?:)
  • mrgatsbymrgatsby Southern CaliforniaPosts: 165MI6 Agent
    It is definitely a fedora. I'm a hat guy and have about eight hats all fedoras. I've had a few custom Frank Sinatra recreation hats made by Art Fawcett. he does incredible work and can recreate any thing if anyone is interested.

    http://www.vintagesilhouettes.com
  • danjaq_0ffdanjaq_0ff The SwampsPosts: 7,283MI6 Agent
    Always a joy to see the knowledge of the members here :D
  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,860MI6 Agent
    Well, let's see: The invoice from Lock&Co says it is a Homburg, and Mr. Phillip Lamb, who has been with Lock for many years also said that it was a Homburg, when I was standing there purchasing the hat at Lock.
    So now that your comments have discredited an item that I have for sale, what say you?

    So, now that several members have informed you that your hat is indeed not a Homburg (or a Trilby) like you stated in your first post, what say you?
    1. Ohmss 2. Frwl 3. Op 4. Tswlm 5. Tld 6. Ge 7. Yolt 8. Lald 9. Cr 10. Ltk 11. Dn 12. Gf 13. Qos 14. Mr 15. Tmwtgg 16. Fyeo 17. Twine 18. Sf 19. Tb 20 Tnd 21. Spectre 22 Daf 23. Avtak 24. Dad
  • Gebruder GumboldGebruder Gumbold San FranciscoPosts: 549MI6 Agent
    I say that I too concur that these posters are all quite talented with an eye for detail. Now, how could Mr. Lamb of Lock&Co...AND MYSELF, have made such a mistake?
    An apology is owed, and humbly submitted!

    Ah well, I was in a hat shop in SF yesterday, and just for fun, showed the chap there the hat that I have. He said that he had just returned from Paris, and advised me to hold onto that hat, as that style will be huge this coming Fall.
    Oopps, did not ask him whether or not it was a Fedora....

    Ah well, still trying to get Lock to answer an e-mail on whether or not they can do up a Trilby with a C-crown in dark Nave ala OHMSS.
    Is it just me, or are they slow to respond to e-mails?

    Cheers All, GG
  • Gebruder GumboldGebruder Gumbold San FranciscoPosts: 549MI6 Agent
    Just a moment! Saw on Lock's site from the link provided that the hat can be work brim curled or flat. Now I remember, they curl the brim at Lock's, or at least, this one had a flat brim, with no upturn.
    I remember that when Mr. lamb took it from the stack, he made the centre dent, ala Q in OHMSS, then fiddled with the brim to shape it for me.
    Does this sound plausible?
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Just a moment! Saw on Lock's site from the link provided that the hat can be work brim curled or flat. Now I remember, they curl the brim at Lock's, or at least, this one had a flat brim, with no upturn.
    I remember that when Mr. lamb took it from the stack, he made the centre dent, ala Q in OHMSS, then fiddled with the brim to shape it for me.
    Does this sound plausible?

    The crown can be blocked in different ways. However, the only hat Lock sells with a narrow brim like what George Lazenby wore is the Sandown. Every other hat has a brim that's too wide. Both of Lazenby's trilbies have a very short brim. The Portugal trilby is like the Sandown, but in black and blocked with a C-crown. The London trilby appears to be navy and is nothing like any hat Lock currently sells.
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  • Gebruder GumboldGebruder Gumbold San FranciscoPosts: 549MI6 Agent
    Any idea on where to find the London Trilby?
    Better still, I like the C-Crown. Lock has been non responsive of late...any other hat makers around who can make a definitve, correct OHMSS hat?
    I would like to work with you to obtain the correct hat.
    Thank you,
  • Gebruder GumboldGebruder Gumbold San FranciscoPosts: 549MI6 Agent
    Just found a great site: baronhats.com, and they do custom hats! Look as if they made a dark colour Trilby for one chap, and it looks very good, at least from the angle in the poor photo.
    Just to be correct: I want to do a Portugal OHMSS hat: so that would be black w a C-Crown.

    What size ribbon? What type of ribbon? Also brim size of 2" or under? It looks to me as though the brim is under 2" in the photos.

    I may go for the Dark Navy colour, just as I like that a bit better than the black...what the hell, why not both if the price is right>>>

    Thank you for your kind help!

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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Just found a great site: baronhats.com, and they do custom hats! Look as if they made a dark colour Trilby for one chap, and it looks very good, at least from the angle in the poor photo.
    Just to be correct: I want to do a Portugal OHMSS hat: so that would be black w a C-Crown.

    What size ribbon? What type of ribbon? Also brim size of 2" or under? It looks to me as though the brim is under 2" in the photos.

    I may go for the Dark Navy colour, just as I like that a bit better than the black...what the hell, why not both if the price is right>>>

    Thank you for your kind help!

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    That is correct on the Portugal hat. The ribbon should be 1/2 inch wide and made of grosgrain in a colour that matches the hat's felt. You're right that the brim looks under 2". The brim is about 1 3/4" to 1 7/8". If you like dark navy better than black, get dark navy.

    If you saw Baron's Dr. No trilby, they are a bit off. They made the ribbon too large and the crown too tall, and the colour is off too. The Portugal trilby's crown is around 4" tall.
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  • Gebruder GumboldGebruder Gumbold San FranciscoPosts: 549MI6 Agent
    Thank you! Baron's just rang me not ten minutes ago. Very nice people, and helpful as well!
    I am very grateful for the info, and I will share pics as we go.
    Is there a bow on the ribbon?

    And you are spot correct on their Trilby- it looked way too tall in the photos, and the ribbon, I think, was made wider to compensate for the crown height being off. Designers do that on cars- they add side mouldings and striping to make an ugly slug look less like an ugly slug...

    Silly question #21: In the Trilby, is the front of the crown taller than the back, or vice-versa?
    Appears that the back, to me, is slightly higher (?)

    Cheers, and thanks Matt!
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Thank you! Baron's just rang me not ten minutes ago. Very nice people, and helpful as well!
    I am very grateful for the info, and I will share pics as we go.
    Is there a bow on the ribbon?

    And you are spot correct on their Trilby- it looked way too tall in the photos, and the ribbon, I think, was made wider to compensate for the crown height being off. Designers do that on cars- they add side mouldings and striping to make an ugly slug look less like an ugly slug...

    Silly question #21: In the Trilby, is the front of the crown taller than the back, or vice-versa?
    Appears that the back, to me, is slightly higher (?)

    Cheers, and thanks Matt!

    I can't see a bow in the ribbon, but I'm almost certain it's there. I've never seen it done any other way.

    I believe that the crown on a trilby is made with a relatively even curve so that the front and back are around the same height. A front pinch pushes up the front a little and C-crown makes the back a lot lower. The back of Lazenby's hat is lower than the front.
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