Did Vesper Lynd get a better send-off than Tracy Di Vicenzo?

LegoBatman008

Because Quantum of Solace brought back the Algerian love knot and Vesper's boyfriend. And they actually had Bond capture and arrest the bastard for what he did to Vesper Lynd. Then they had Bond throw the love knot down into the Russian snow signifying that James has put Vesper and the past strictly behind him.

Now I know Tracy death's come up in films like The Spy Who Lovcd Me, For Your Eyes Only and Licence to Kill but the point is...it's not the same actor playing James Bond at that point, it's different actor so it's a different Bond. Craig got to be in a OHMSS-esque film where he lost his lady love AND he got the chance to avenge her in the next movie. It's just so happens that the next movie wasn't directed by a Martin Campbell or a Sam Mendes.

Thunderpussy

Maybe with this new series of films, Vespers death will replace Tracy's in OHMSS as the big
emotional loss in Bond's life.

AlphaOmegaSin

'Different Actor so a different Bond'

It's the same Character all the way from Dr No to Die another Day. I suppose you believe in the stupid 'Multiple Codename Theory'?

LegoBatman008

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

'Different Actor so a different Bond'

It's the same Character all the way from Dr No to Die another Day. I suppose you believe in the stupid 'Multiple Codename Theory'?

No, I just believe that each actor brings a diffrent side out of Bond, a different face if you will. Esspecially since no actor can play the character like Sean Connery.

ZorinIndustries

The thing with Vesper is that I think she should be done in the franchise. She had her spot in the limelight. I think Tracy deserves to be recognized every once in awhile, given the fact that Bond actually married the woman.

In other words, I tie Vesper to the entire Quantum story, and I think it's best left alone from now on. Just my opinion!

AlphaOmegaSin

ZorinIndustries wrote:

The thing with Vesper is that I think she should be done in the franchise. She had her spot in the limelight. I think Tracy deserves to be recognized every once in awhile, given the fact that Bond actually married the woman.

In other words, I tie Vesper to the entire Quantum story, and I think it's best left alone from now on. Just my opinion!

Ironic you say that because in some of the Novels after Casino Royale, Bond has more Memories of Vesper then he does of Tracy after her Death. Like in DAF for instance, during the Chapter where Bond is at Tiffanie's Flat and he putting on the Record. He has to skip a certain Track because it 'Brings back Memories' In Goldfinger, during the Torture Scene he wonders how he will explain to Vesper who Tilly Masterson is when they reach Heaven. The biggest Reference is in OHMSS where Bond is back in France to visit Vespers Grave.

JayCobb1045

Part of this discussion depends on whether you believe that OHMSS is a standalone or if you believe that DAF is Bond's revenge for killing Tracy. I personally favor the latter interpretation, so I think that if you consider revenge a proper "sendoff" then Tracy gets at least as satisfying a sendoff as Vesper does. Since I much prefer DAF to QOS I'd say she gets a better sendoff, in fact.

If, on the other hand, you're referring more to the emotional impact it appears to have on Bond, then I may tend to agree more, but for different reasons than cited by the OP. I think the sendoff feels more substantial not because of the sendoff itself, but more because CR did a far superior job to establishing the relationship than OHMSS did. That Hallmark-esque montage of Bond and Tracy picking flowers and whatnot never really did anything for me, and I don't think it's Lazenby's fault either. I think that from a directing and editing standpoint they rushed through that, leaving the viewer feeling like the stakes are lower.

Maybe I'm too much of a cynic, but in either event I always felt like Bond was rushing into things a bit too fast and both pairs would be divorced inside of three years. But that's just me.

Gassy Man

Yeah, I always took the beginning of DAF as revenge for the death of Tracy.

Regarding who gets more attention in the novels, OHMSS is one of the last novels of the series, and YOLT is almost entirely about depression, redemption, and revenge on Blofeld. In the case of the films, Tracy is mentioned multiple times, and I guess Bond gets more revenge in FYEO.

ZorinIndustries

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

ZorinIndustries wrote:

The thing with Vesper is that I think she should be done in the franchise. She had her spot in the limelight. I think Tracy deserves to be recognized every once in awhile, given the fact that Bond actually married the woman.

In other words, I tie Vesper to the entire Quantum story, and I think it's best left alone from now on. Just my opinion!

Ironic you say that because in some of the Novels after Casino Royale, Bond has more Memories of Vesper then he does of Tracy after her Death. Like in DAF for instance, during the Chapter where Bond is at Tiffanie's Flat and he putting on the Record. He has to skip a certain Track because it 'Brings back Memories' In Goldfinger, during the Torture Scene he wonders how he will explain to Vesper who Tilly Masterson is when they reach Heaven. The biggest Reference is in OHMSS where Bond is back in France to visit Vespers Grave.

I have yet to read the novels, but from what I read on here it seems that Vesper played a huge role as you pointed out. Interesting how the novels and the films compare!

Bodie

Vesper definitely got a better send off than Tracey.

QOS is about Bond's quest for revenge against the organisation responsible for Vesper's death and this is referenced on a number of occasions. In DAF Tracey might as well never have existed. Bond hunts Blofeld at the start but no mention is made of why.

In QOS Mathis tries to console Bond about Vesper. In DAF good old jovial Felix who is Bond's best friend doesn't even get the change to say 'sorry about your loss buddy'.

Is it just me or was it more than a bit insensitive Moneypenny asking Bond to bring her back a ring from Amsterdam.

Tracey was very important in Bond's life but between OHMSS and TSWLM she was a non-person. Vesper was very important to Bond and in QOS she got the proper amount of attention.

Blackleiter

Bodie wrote:

Vesper definitely got a better send off than Tracey.

QOS is about Bond's quest for revenge against the organisation responsible for Vesper's death and this is referenced on a number of occasions. In DAF Tracey might as well never have existed. Bond hunts Blofeld at the start but no mention is made of why.

In QOS Mathis tries to console Bond about Vesper. In DAF good old jovial Felix who is Bond's best friend doesn't even get the change to say 'sorry about your loss buddy'.

Is it just me or was it more than a bit insensitive Moneypenny asking Bond to bring her back a ring from Amsterdam.

Tracey was very important in Bond's life but between OHMSS and TSWLM she was a non-person. Vesper was very important to Bond and in QOS she got the proper amount of attention.

For many of the reasons you mention, I have always believed and continue to believe that DAF was never intended as a follow-up to OHMSS, but rather as the next chapter after YOLT. Yes, Bond is searching for Blofeld, but because he eluded Bond in Japan, not because he killed Tracey.

AirJordanFan93

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

'Different Actor so a different Bond'

It's the same Character all the way from Dr No to Die another Day. I suppose you believe in the stupid 'Multiple Codename Theory'?

I always hated the concept of Multiple Codename. Are people that stupid they don't understand actors age over time so they look different after a certain number of years. They pretty much tie it up that its the same character with Moore visiting her grave in FYEO and then Leiter in License telling his wife Bond was married once. It never came up during the Brosnan films but its still the same character.