MR, on the other hand, dived into sheer spoof territory, while never once even being as funny as DAF.
Good example of the catch 22 criticisms of the Moore era that Moose w/Fleas mentioned. Criticize it for being a spoof, and then criticize it again for not being funny. In fact, it's neither.
That's because Moonraker is not supposed to be funny. Do you see Roger Moore laughing?
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Criticize it for being a spoof, and then criticize it again for not being funny. In fact, it's neither.
Hence my disdain of the film. It fails on both levels. It made me miss Moore's earlier films. It made me appreciate his later ones. In that way, it was good for something.... )
Criticize it for being a spoof, and then criticize it again for not being funny. In fact, it's neither.
Hence my disdain of the film. It fails on both levels.
Those levels exist in your own mind. Should Moonraker be blamed for your gross misinterpretation of the film? Should we keep in mind that you haven't actually seen Moonraker since 1979 ?
My current 10 favorite:
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
Should Moonraker be blamed for your gross misinterpretation of the film?
No. The producers, possibly. )
Should we keep in mind that you haven't actually seen Moonraker since 1979 ?
I've seen it once more in its entirety on ancient VHS in the 80's to confirm the verdict, and watched many, many scenes on Youtube recently in a vain attempt to drum up interest within myself to purchase a $5 used DVD to watch, but I'm afraid I've failed miserably in that area.
I *DO* plan, however, to get a copy of AVTAK soon.... B-)
MR, on the other hand, dived into sheer spoof territory, while never once even being as funny as DAF.
Good example of the catch 22 criticisms of the Moore era that Moose w/Fleas mentioned. Criticize it for being a spoof, and then criticize it again for not being funny. In fact, it's neither.
That's because Moonraker is not supposed to be funny. Do you see Roger Moore laughing?
Not supposed to be funny? Double-taking pigeons? Jaws flapping like a wounded bird? Bond of The Magnificent Seven? Dolly? That stuff was meant to be taken seriously? Who knew?!!! )
Double-taking pigeons? Jaws flapping like a wounded bird? Bond of The Magnificent Seven? Dolly? That stuff was meant to be taken seriously? Who knew?!!! )
Back up one & give me TSWLM.
Better yet, back up SIX & give me YOLT. -{
I have to disagree guys.MR is awesome.Of course I know the space station thing is outlandish but who cares?It's Bond! DAD irritated me much more.Jinx is the most idiotic character in the series(even more than Christmas Jones and that's saying a lot) I think MR had fantastic locations,virtually non-stop action,and the most stunning(if not believable) ending of most any Bond.Plus I would seriously like to have boned Emily Bolton. :x
Yes,I'll admit DAD has the better theme song but that's it.I really like ALL of the Bond's as the sum of the film canon is bigger than any of it's weaker parts.If someone put a gun to my head and made me choose the weakest film it would probably be TWINE actually.Denise Richards is horrible and I just can't get past that.At least DAD never commits the cardinal sin of being dull.
I have to disagree guys.MR is awesome.Of course I know the space station thing is outlandish but who cares?It's Bond! DAD irritated me much more.Jinx is the most idiotic character in the series(even more than Christmas Jones and that's saying a lot) I think MR had fantastic locations,virtually non-stop action,and the most stunning(if not believable) ending of most any Bond.Plus I would seriously like to have boned Emily Bolton. :x
Who?
Emily Bolton played Manuela the Brazilian agent who Bond seduces in Rio upon arrival.
The film -- those less ably than those of the 60s -- still conveys big budge opulence. Die Another Day, on the other hand, feels more like a smaller movie they just spent a lot of money to make.
Moonraker, for all its camp, also still seems grown up. Drax, for instance, seems like a megalomaniacal adult; Graves seems like a petulant child.
Oddly enough, both Moore and Brosnan play Bond pretty much the same way. In fact, Brosnan is more relaxed and jokey here than in any of his previous incarnations -- and closer to how he probably should have played the part throughout his run.
I think that on top of everything else DAD may be more unbelievable than even MR was if you stop and think about it.Invisible Car?Jinx diving backwards off a 300 foot cliff?Starting a chopper and firing it up as you fall to earth? I'm not even going to get into the stuff with the jet car turning into a parasurfer or whatever that was. )
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Both are great fun. They're not high art (what Bond film is?) & shouldn't be viewed as such. Big budget extravaganzas with every dollar there to see on the screen.
Id take MR over DAD any day. MR is what you expect from a Roger Moore bond film a whack over the top adventure that doesn't feel like it would ever happen plus it was in the 70s. DAD is complete joke in 2002 that passed as acceptable apparently and it looks so crappy and the plot feels way too farfetched with the DNA changing and the invisible car
Id take MR over DAD any day. MR is what you expect from a Roger Moore bond film a whack over the top adventure that doesn't feel like it would ever happen plus it was in the 70s. DAD is complete joke in 2002 that passed as acceptable apparently and it looks so crappy and the plot feels way too farfetched with the DNA changing and the invisible car
Agree totally.MR was an extravagant blast that I could watch constantly.For some reason they felt the need to go completely off the chart with DAD on a whole lot of fronts.Your reference to the DNA changing proves my point.I had forgotten all about that as there is so much unbelievable stuff in the film.
Id take MR over DAD any day. MR is what you expect from a Roger Moore bond film a whack over the top adventure that doesn't feel like it would ever happen plus it was in the 70s. DAD is complete joke in 2002 that passed as acceptable apparently and it looks so crappy and the plot feels way too farfetched with the DNA changing and the invisible car
Agree totally.MR was an extravagant blast that I could watch constantly.For some reason they felt the need to go completely off the chart with DAD on a whole lot of fronts.Your reference to the DNA changing proves my point.I had forgotten all about that as there is so much unbelievable stuff in the film.
The DNA thing I think is overshadowed by the invisible car and Halle Berry. I mean you have DNA changing say what you will about some of the plots for Bond films this one is just over the top. Also the poor CGI is a mockery to a series which had held its self in high regard when it comes to special effects. I don't want to outright blame the director but he seemed to have a hand in it but the blame should go to Michael and Barbara for allowing all of this to happen. Thankfully they saw sense again when it came time for Casino.
I have a soft spot for Moonraker because it was the first Bond movie I ever saw. Now I know it is one of the lower points of the series but I can tell you that for a 10 year old boy the movie was AMAZING!! DAD was just a let down for me, Brosnan deserved a better last movie IMHO.
I love them both but Moonraker would be my favorite. I love Lois Chiles :x (she really does resemble Milla Jovovich). I like the cheesy space scenes. I didn't like that they made Jaws too soft but...Jaws has always been my fav henchman/villian. It's a classic and you have to realize that they were going for the Star Wars look...lol. I do like Pierce and it's a shame that he ended up getting some crappy scripts because I thought that he was a great Bond. Roger Moore has always been my fav Bond - I grew up with him and I think that's how most people define their favorite. I do like them both but Moonraker for me!!
MR is probably THE 007 movie which MUST be seen on the big screen.
Together with TB and YOLT it does not work on computer screens and small tvs.
When I watched it on Blu-Ray for the first time I was struck by how good the film actually looked, and I admit I would definitely pay to see the film on the big screen. It would be a worthwhile experience. I've shown Moonraker to a number of friends over the years, and everybody I've shown it to seems to enjoy the silliness and gets into the spirit of it. Maybe its just harder for the die-hard Bond fan to enjoy.
The battle of the two worst Bond films. I'd say Moonraker is better than Die Another Day - before Bond headed into space, Moonraker was a half decent film. Then came the space scenes and the laser gun battles that's more suited to the realm of sci-fi than Bond.
Die Another Day was awful from beginning to end, from the modified gunbarrel sequence and fanfare, the horrible, horrible theme song (although Another Way to Die somehow managed to be worse still), Bond being held prisoner for 14 months just doesn't seem like what the Fleming Bond would put up with (he'd sooner kill himself), invisible car, to the virtual reality Bond-Moneypenny love scene (I don't think Fleming's Bond ever wanted Moneypenny in that sense).
So Moonraker is the better of the terrible Bond films. Or, to put it another way, Die Another Day wins at being the worst Bond film ever made.
I take it I'm not alone in being able to extract a fair amount of fun from that particular 'bad' Bond movie, eh? )
Nah ) I get a lot of enjoyment out of this piece of nonsense. I actually hated it when I first seen it in the pictures and didn't purchase it on DVD until the Ultimate Editions came out but ever since then I've thoroughly enjoyed it.
....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.
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Good example of the catch 22 criticisms of the Moore era that Moose w/Fleas mentioned. Criticize it for being a spoof, and then criticize it again for not being funny. In fact, it's neither.
That's because Moonraker is not supposed to be funny. Do you see Roger Moore laughing?
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
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Those levels exist in your own mind. Should Moonraker be blamed for your gross misinterpretation of the film? Should we keep in mind that you haven't actually seen Moonraker since 1979 ?
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
I *DO* plan, however, to get a copy of AVTAK soon.... B-)
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Not supposed to be funny? Double-taking pigeons? Jaws flapping like a wounded bird? Bond of The Magnificent Seven? Dolly? That stuff was meant to be taken seriously? Who knew?!!!
Better yet, back up SIX & give me YOLT. -{
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Together with TB and YOLT it does not work on computer screens and small tvs.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Who?
Emily Bolton played Manuela the Brazilian agent who Bond seduces in Rio upon arrival.
The film -- those less ably than those of the 60s -- still conveys big budge opulence. Die Another Day, on the other hand, feels more like a smaller movie they just spent a lot of money to make.
Moonraker, for all its camp, also still seems grown up. Drax, for instance, seems like a megalomaniacal adult; Graves seems like a petulant child.
Oddly enough, both Moore and Brosnan play Bond pretty much the same way. In fact, Brosnan is more relaxed and jokey here than in any of his previous incarnations -- and closer to how he probably should have played the part throughout his run.
When I watched it on Blu-Ray for the first time I was struck by how good the film actually looked, and I admit I would definitely pay to see the film on the big screen. It would be a worthwhile experience. I've shown Moonraker to a number of friends over the years, and everybody I've shown it to seems to enjoy the silliness and gets into the spirit of it. Maybe its just harder for the die-hard Bond fan to enjoy.
Die Another Day was awful from beginning to end, from the modified gunbarrel sequence and fanfare, the horrible, horrible theme song (although Another Way to Die somehow managed to be worse still), Bond being held prisoner for 14 months just doesn't seem like what the Fleming Bond would put up with (he'd sooner kill himself), invisible car, to the virtual reality Bond-Moneypenny love scene (I don't think Fleming's Bond ever wanted Moneypenny in that sense).
So Moonraker is the better of the terrible Bond films. Or, to put it another way, Die Another Day wins at being the worst Bond film ever made.
Moonraker is in my top five!
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Nah
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You are certainly not alone, my friend! -{
IMO YOLT, OHMSS, DAF, LALD, FYEO, OP, AVTAK, TLD, LTK, GE, TND, TWINE, DAD and SF all have more action than MR.
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby