missing plane

always shaken

now if we was all down the pub/bar im sure the subject of the missing plane would come up after the 4th round ,
There is a lot of effort trying to find wreckage ect,but my theory is the plane has been hijacked (I know no ransom demands have been issued) but we all remember 911 in new York , well my idea is that this plane will be used as a flying bomb to drop on who knows where ? im sure the CIA FBI Mi6 have have thought of this too I hope 8-) but funnier things have happened before
normaly filed under the bleedin obvious

Thunderpussy

Firstly I feel so sorry for all those Poor relatives and Friends waiting for news, They must be going through Hell.
Although the thriller writer in me ( No dirty jokes please ) thinks this is a truly amazing story, Straight out of
a Fleming type Novel. The hijacking of a passanger air liner, to land on some deserted or makeshift landing site.
Especially these days when we are all under so much survelliance. To think an aircraft can simply disappear, is
astounding.
Although there is an Old episode of Banachek, I seem to remember where a Jumbo Vanished.
Still I hope there will be a happy ending to all this,But the longer it goes on, It would seem Not.

Higgins

Well, it seems that the changes of height (probably killing the passengers by turning off the decompression and then terrain-masking) and avoiding waypoints have been deliberately and it just does not make sense to plan this all carefully ahead and then let the plane fall down because of running-out fuel.

always shaken

exactly all this stolen passport biz and all the technical over rides that have been bypassed ,seems to be a big effort just to crash it into the sea I mean if you want maximum world shock then blow the thing up as its taking off not disappear of radar ,no its going to be used as a weapon , I hope im wrong

AlphaOmegaSin

My Theory is that several Passengers on the Plane were from a US Government Department experimenting with Stealth Technology. They somehow managed to equip the Plane with some of this new Tech and they activated it, turning the Plane Invisible.

Prepare to get laughed at in 3...2...1...

Higgins

always shaken wrote:

exactly all this stolen passport biz

As far as I know that stolen passport story has been found to be a dead end.

Passports are stolen and sold in Thailand to allow people to board planes who want to claim asylum in the West.
The iranian bloke who headed to Frankfurt has his mother already living there and she confirmed that he planned to claim asylum in Germany.
With his iranian passport that would not have been possible.

Number24

What puzzles me is the motive for hijacking the plane. No ransom or demands have been published. No-one has taken responibility, but I read the terrorist organisation from a muslim minority group in China never takes responibility. Most likely the reprisals on their people would be to severe if they did. If terrorsits wanted to use the plane in a 9.11-style attack, the plane flew away from the "best" targets; large population centres and highrise buildings in Kuala Lumpur, Singapore and Chinese cities like Hong Kong and Shanghai. Plying into the Indian osean makes no sense at all, since they didn't have fuel to reach land. Also, the plane would make the maximum damage with full tanks.
I think the most likely explanations are:

-The passangers fought back and the plane crashed before the terrorists could carry out their plan.

- The plane is in some isolted airfield or improvised landing strip in central Asia, most likely northern Pakistan, avaiting some sinister use. But why? The plane is the most "useful" when no-one is searching for it and the tanks are full.

The Domino Effect

I will be truly amazed if it's not at the bottom of the ocean. How it got there is any of half-a-dozen theories.

AlphaOmegaSin

Maybe TP knows where it is? )

The Domino Effect

He did mention "Banachek" which most definitely could be a code word!

Mr Mallory

Was Bane on board ?

Number24

The Domino Effect wrote:

I will be truly amazed if it's not at the bottom of the ocean. How it got there is any of half-a-dozen theories.

If so, where was it flying to? There is nothing out there. One theory: perhaps there was an aircraft carrier out here that could be a target? This would be a big, fat target for terrorists. I know it's technically easy to shoot down a passenger plane from an aircraft carrier, but to make that call in a few short minutes ....

mrgatsby

A: Without admitting their capabilities, the fact that American authorities say it probably flew south is an

indication that a precise location has been established by Spy satellites.

B: If this pilot was good enough to fly like an Israeli commando and shadow other planes it is possible to get

to land but this operation would take a platoon to control all on board.

C: Worst case scenario - Global security would be at risk. the plane could be refueled and loaded with a
WOMD.

If this is the case let's hope that special forces are already deployed.

Tom Clancy? no. I say A..

AlphaOmegaSin

TP said that this is like a Flemming Bond Novel. In my Opinion this is something from Gardner.

The Domino Effect

Neither China nor America want to show their full hands on what they know with this. I can't believe that China, the second biggest military spender in the world, could allow a 777 to waltz around its backdoor unseen. China have that corner of the world sewn up for surveillance, I have no doubt, but they don't want the U.S., Japan, Taiwan etc to know just how much they know. Conversely, if they can't find a 200-foot long airliner with 200 Chinese passengers on board headed across the South China Sea for Beijing, they're probably not in any great hurry to openly admit that either, which is likely why they're heaping so much abuse on Malaysia and also asking for the U.S. to do more. Similarly, the U.S. don't want to tell China and the world just what they can and cannot sea in that neck of the woods.

Number24

It's in the interest of China to find the plane, clearly.
I was made aware of another explanation of the disapearance of the plane. One of the pilots may had been mentally unstable. He could simply had locked the reinforced cockpit door while his co-pilot was at the wc, turned off the signals to the outside world, turned the plane around and flown out into the Indian ocean until he crashed it into the sea. I understand there is little or no mobile phone coverage in the middle of the ocean.

Grindelwald

Afghan airspace is heavily guarded so I doubt it was headed to Pakistan , perhaps ex-Sovjet country ?

Number24

Why do you doubt it was Pakistan?

thesecretagent

Grindelwald wrote:

Afghan airspace is heavily guarded so I doubt it was headed to Pakistan , perhaps ex-Sovjet country ?

Actually the airspace in Afghanistan isn't as heavily monitored as you'd think. There was zero air threat during the action. The Taliban have no air power.

Charmed & Dangerous

If it crashed somewhere surely they would be able to track or find it, it didn't take long to find the Air France one which similarly disappeared.... Don't the Black Boxes also contain some way of tracing them?

Higgins

If the blackbox is over sealevel, it should be relatively easy to be tracked.
If it's underwater (particularly in a dell), it gets far more difficult.

Number24

The battery of the black box stops in 30 days, so there is a ticking clock ...

AlphaOmegaSin

The Blackbox is designed to withstand crushing Volumes of Water.

Ammo08

There is a really good article written by a pilot in todays RealClearPolitics.com. His feeling is that something, a fire or an explosion on board caused the pilots to get very busy. The writer makes a good case for the crew trying to reach a particular airport close by and they didn't make it. Here is the link: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

Higgins

I've read that as well. His theory has 2 flaws:

1. When there is such a fire, all pilots are ordered to land asap. He rose to 15000 meters.
2. When there is such an enormous fire that all transponders are off - the plane will not likely fly another 7 hours on autopilot.

The Domino Effect

Bondtoys wrote:

I've read that as well. His theory has 2 flaws:

1. When there is such a fire, all pilots are ordered to land asap. He rose to 15000 meters.
2. When there is such an enormous fire that all transponders are off - the plane will not likely fly another 7 hours on autopilot.

It didn't have to be an enormous fire. It could have been a small, contained electrical fire that knocked out the systems one by one...starting with the transponder, the radio and finally the controls etc and which emitted carbon monoxide fumes that incapacitated the crew and passengers. The pilot may well have tried to head for Langkawi because it was the closest 'safe' runway. In a situation like that, the pilot has the discretion to choose between landing immediately on a short risky runway or extending the flight to land on a safer, longer, better-equipped airport. If he makes the wrong decision either way he could lose his job...or his life. Other runways that would have sufficed were indeed closer, but if at the time his decision was made the fire seemed to be out or under control, the pilot may well have aimed for the nearest 'safe' runway rather than taking a chance on a shorter, riskier strip (this theory falls apart if the fire was major). The situation then worsened after the decision to head for LGK.

My gut from the start has been that this was a catastrophic accident, and although as rumours, unconfirmed details and new facts over the course of the past 1.5 weeks have helped to waiver that conviction from time to time, I still maintain that it's the most likely cause. I'm not sold on the fire theory - although I think it's the best theory out there - it could have been some other catastrophic technical failure that shut down those systems one by one. A modern airliner like the 777 is run entirely by computers today. If there was a major computer failure (highly unlikely given the redundancies, but no less likely than most of the other theories), the crew would be helpless.

I absolutely don't think it's terrorism or crime. Suicide is a possibility, but I again have strong doubts. I hope for the sake of the families and everyone involved that we find out quickly what happened.

Thunderpussy

Watching the relatives being dragged from the press conference, was disgusting

Number24

The fire theory sounds plausable to me, so does the suicide thory. I still can't think of a reason terrorists would fly far away from the most likely targets. The only terrorist theory I think sounds likely is if the plane crashed after the passengers tried to retake the aircraft. Of cource I know little about security and even less about planes ...

thesecretagent

This mornings news is focusing on a sonar image of plausible size 1550 miles off Perth, W. Australia. Where in Hell's name was it going if this is the case? Nothing between there and Antarctica.

AlphaOmegaSin

Maybe there was a hidden Aircraft Carrier there?

Number24

If they find the wreck of the plane there the hijack theory seems weak to me.