Two Separate Bond Film Universes

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I apologize if this topic has been discussed before (I'm too lazy to check) but I thought it might be fun to talk about the fact that there are two Bond Movie Universes out there. And Judi Dench is M. in both of them.

The original series began with Dr. No and ended with Die Another Day...So, that means the series had started with Sean Connery and ended with Pierce Brosnan. The current series began with Casino Royale (2006) and it will probably never end as long as Sony Pictures and MGM are around.

It's too bad that the original James Bond series had to end on Die Another Day, but such is life, I suppose.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I like to think the file M gave to Bond at the end of Skyfall held
    details of Crab key and a certain Dr No ! :D
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    The Craig Films are a Reboot, in the same Vain as the current Spiderman Trilogy.
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  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    edited April 2014
    AlphaOmegaSin wrote:
    The Craig Films are a Reboot, in the same Vain as the current Spiderman Trilogy.

    I know. That's why I said there are two separate Bond universes. One lasted for 20 films and then died when Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson acquired the rights to Casino Royale.

    As for the Sam Raimi Spider-Man series, I think it's best that they didn't make Spider-Man 4 with Anne Hathaway as Felicia Hardy/Black Cat...That would've been awful. Just like Anne Hathaway as Catwoman was awful in my not so humble opinion.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    With the the Vulture being the Villain apparently.
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  • JayCobb1045JayCobb1045 Posts: 79MI6 Agent
    As much as I love Judi Dench and, in particular, her performance in Skyfall, her presence in the reboot world always bothered me. I'm fine with the idea of a reboot, but having M be the same in both "universes" causes more trouble than she's worth, IMO.
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  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    edited April 2014
    JayCobb1045 wrote:
    As much as I love Judi Dench and, in particular, her performance in Skyfall, her presence in the reboot world always bothered me. I'm fine with the idea of a reboot, but having M be the same in both "universes" causes more trouble than she's worth, IMO.

    I believe it was Martin Campbell who said, "You gotta have Judi Dench as M. No matter how screwed up the timeline is, because she's just M. and there's nobody better."
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  • Thunderbird 2Thunderbird 2 East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,817MI6 Agent
    The way I get round that problem is I consider the Brosnan era M is Barbers Mawdsley, the Craig era one is Olivia Mansfield. Two different women, two different histories.

    The first Bond universe didn't die. It just fell out the back of a plane. The second one got off to a bumpy start too, dragged out of an Aston M that barrel rolled seven times. :D
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  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    Thunderbird 2 wrote:
    The way I get round that problem is I consider the Brosnan era M is Barbers Mawdsley, the Craig era one is Olivia Mansfield. Two different women, two different histories.

    The first Bond universe didn't die. It just fell out the back of a plane. The second one got off to a bumpy start too, dragged out of an Aston M that barrel rolled seven times. :D

    Well, if video games count...I'd like to consider EA's Everything or Nothing 007 to be the sort of unofficial swan song for the original 007 Cinematic Universe. But you guys don't count video games do you?
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  • JayCobb1045JayCobb1045 Posts: 79MI6 Agent
    LegoBatman008 wrote:
    I believe it was Martin Campbell who said, "You gotta have Judi Dench as M. No matter how screwed up the timeline is, because she's just M. and there's nobody better."

    Yeah, but he also said "yeah, Ryan Reynolds would make a great Green Lantern!"
    "Names is for tombstones, baby!"

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/skyfall-bluray-doesnt-match
  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    JayCobb1045 wrote:
    LegoBatman008 wrote:
    I believe it was Martin Campbell who said, "You gotta have Judi Dench as M. No matter how screwed up the timeline is, because she's just M. and there's nobody better."

    Yeah, but he also said "yeah, Ryan Reynolds would make a great Green Lantern!"

    Yeah, well, I believe the blame falls squarely on Martin Campbell's shoulders. He wanted Judi Dench. But Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson are not blameless either, because they let it happen.

    So, there's three people to blame for Judi Dench showing up in two separate Bond universes...Barbara, Michael and Martin. Blame them.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    For me it's not a big deal. I loved Dame Judi as M and I can accept her in any timeline. -{
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,866Chief of Staff
    LegoBatman008 wrote:
    I apologize if this topic has been discussed before (I'm too lazy to check)

    Oddly enough 8-) , it has been discussed before... many times. It's an always valid topic, though, and of interest to many. I would encourage you to check before starting a new topic, though.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    For me it's not a big deal. I loved Dame Judi as M and I can accept her in any timeline. -{

    Same here!
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,866Chief of Staff
    Blackleiter wrote:
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    For me it's not a big deal. I loved Dame Judi as M and I can accept her in any timeline. -{

    Same here!

    Oh yes! Despite being of an age to revere Bernard Lee (I can't read Fleming without picturing him) DJD is the quintessential M!
  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    The idea of “different universes” doesn’t really make sense. After all the Bond of Skyfall drove the same DB5 as the Bond of Goldfinger, and the M of Skyfall knew exactly what the red button in the gear stick was for. If you want the Bond series to make sense, you must watch each actor’s movies as a separate series. I personally can’t wait for the next series to start – to me Craig’s Bond is as unofficial as NSNA.
  • M 'n' MM 'n' M Posts: 105MI6 Agent
    While I can see casino royale as reboot / parallel universe I think sky fall started to join things back up again. There are lots of links to the rest of the series - more humour, more traditional action scenes (fighting on top of the train a la octopussy etc), big set pieces just for the sake of it (come on, killing bond by directing a train at him is probably the most stupid way a baddie has ever we tried to dispose of our hero) and a pantomime villain - Oscar win we bardem played it very similar to Oscar winner walken.

    So I see skyfall as rejoining the bond universe. Which means it could go absolutely anywhere next - but it is dan's 4th - which was the stumbling block for roger and pierce
  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    The idea of “different universes” doesn’t really make sense. After all the Bond of Skyfall drove the same DB5 as the Bond of Goldfinger, and the M of Skyfall knew exactly what the red button in the gear stick was for. If you want the Bond series to make sense, you must watch each actor’s movies as a separate series. I personally can’t wait for the next series to start – to me Craig’s Bond is as unofficial as NSNA.

    Well, it's hard to picture Daniel Craig's Bond in Skyfall as the same one who got married to Tracy before she was tragically murdered by Blofeld's henchwoman. It's equally hard to imagine Craig's Bond as the same one who fought Blofeld and SPECTRE. I also refuse to believe that Craig's Bond is the same one who drove a Lotus Esprit under water and would later on, go on to **** Grace Jones's character in A View to a Kill.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    The Craig Films cannot be in the same 'Universe' as all the previous ones. CR to SF are set in the Modern Day World, whilst all the Films from DN to LTK were set in the Cold War with the 90's Films ( And DAD) being the post Cold War 'Cooling off Period'

    It would not make any Sense to try and fit the Craig Films into the original Time Line.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Why not have each actor as Bond in their own universe ? :D
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    Why not have each actor as Bond in their own universe ? :D

    That's the only thing that makes sense. I don't understand why some folks are still subjecting themselves to the brain damage of trying to get things to add up any other way. 8-)
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    +1 Bond is Bond, sit back enjoy the film and don't over analysis it. {[]
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,860MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    I like to think the file M gave to Bond at the end of Skyfall held
    details of Crab key and a certain Dr No ! :D

    Well, no, because Bond is already using the Walther PPK. Sorry to revive this topic but I finally found something that (apart from the fact that there is 50 years between the movies and the world changed quite a bit in those years) might stop this whole timeline discussion bull.
    1. Ohmss 2. Frwl 3. Op 4. Tswlm 5. Tld 6. Ge 7. Yolt 8. Lald 9. Cr 10. Ltk 11. Dn 12. Gf 13. Qos 14. Mr 15. Tmwtgg 16. Fyeo 17. Twine 18. Sf 19. Tb 20 Tnd 21. Spectre 22 Daf 23. Avtak 24. Dad
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    NO!, he was given the PPK-S. He can still be brought in to M's Office and get the Old PPK back. ;) :))
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  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,860MI6 Agent
    So when did he use that damn Berreta? -{
    1. Ohmss 2. Frwl 3. Op 4. Tswlm 5. Tld 6. Ge 7. Yolt 8. Lald 9. Cr 10. Ltk 11. Dn 12. Gf 13. Qos 14. Mr 15. Tmwtgg 16. Fyeo 17. Twine 18. Sf 19. Tb 20 Tnd 21. Spectre 22 Daf 23. Avtak 24. Dad
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    When he had that ladies Handbag, ;) It's a deleted scene from Skyfall, Bond had to dress up as
    Severine. :))
    Yes I know it doesn't perfectly match up, I don't think it ever was supposed to bring us full circle, But
    I think it simply brings us back to the Traditional M Office, with the usual office staff etc. :)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • VampfoxVampfox Posts: 9MI6 Agent
    The old movies couldn't have happened in the Craig Bond series since 9/11 is mentioned in CR. Also Bond meeting Felix in CR goes against him meeting Felix in Dr No.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Judi Dench was fantastic as M -- the only other actress I can think of who might have given as good a performance is Helen Mirren. But to me Dench also plays M differently. She is much less even-tempered in the Craig films and more of a taskmaster than in Brosnan's. I think she played the role differently in part to suggest they are not the same character.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Once again, a great bit of observation {[] , now that you mention it
    She does play it a little differently. :)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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