He was hot stuff in movies then, but once again almost every actor
in some interview or other will slip in how he was considered for
Bond. ) I'd go so far as to say that even any " resting " actor working
as a waiter who serves Barbara Broccoli at a function, will quickly
Update their CV to say how they had been considered. )
I don't know why he has a chip on his shoulder against the British, I
Guess it just helps his list of people to hate get longer. )
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I don't know why he has a chip on his shoulder against the British, I
Guess it just helps his list of people to hate get longer.
I don't agree with them at all, but believe me when I say I know a couple Australians that really, intensely dislike the British. To these individuals, ANZAC Day isn't about commemorating their dead, but rather verbally bashing the daylights out of the British for sending them in first (as if Ypres or Mons didn't happen...). This particular subgroup of Australians seem to be of the opinion that the British used them for cannon fodder in WWI and refused to listen to Sir John Monash until the bitter end*, under-equipped the Australian Army and Royal Australian Air Force in WWII**, refused to listen to Lt. General Sir Horace Robertson*** in Korea, trumped up charges against Breaker Morant and company**** in the Second Boer War fifty years before that, etc, etc.
These people aren't inherently racist (inherently and irrationally angry would be a better description)--one I know personally is 3/4 Aboriginal descent, another I know is Jewish--but it's almost a mixture of having too long a memory combined with the feeling of "hate America extending to all Americans" that one will occassionally find in Western Europe. I found it hard to put into words in my initial post, but no James Bond actor should come from that pool, ever. Period.
*Montgomery was of the opinion that Monash was the best commander of any military fielded in WWI, it should be noted.
**The Australian Army's decision-making regarding new equipment between the Wars was pretty lousy while the RAAF was jointly equipped by the British and the Americans--the latter of whom provided the Aussies with the P-47D Thunderbolt, which was quite possibly better than anything else in the Pacific at destroying the famous Japanese Mitsubishi A6M Zero.
***Not even Robertson's superiors could stand him thanks to his grating personality. Although he was correct in his assessment of Chinese involvement, the fact that Douglas MacArthur also ignored him consistently is often overlooked (and Chesty Puller listening to him was probably a testament to Puller, not Robertson).
****Given that Alfred Taylor probably falsified way more evidence than is looked at by either side against Morant, Handcock, and Witton, is it any wonder that a courts-martial would convict them?
I've learned much on AJB, I never knew that even modern Japan
Doesn't like foreigners , I guess in many ways I'm kind of naive
I always thought the Australia v England thing was just leg pulling
as with, the jokes about the North of England calling southerner's
Soft etc.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,757Chief of Staff
I've learned much on AJB, I never knew that even modern Japan
Doesn't like foreigners , I guess in many ways I'm kind of naive
I always thought the Australia v England thing was just leg pulling
as with, the jokes about the North of England calling southerner's
Soft etc.
It is leg pulling mainly well the north v south thing anyway well in my own experience
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,757Chief of Staff
Most of the Australians I've come across have no Problem with us
That seems to be the case in my experience. Thing is, the few I encountered who weren't kidding hid it well. I'm certainly not trying to bash any Australians here (except perhaps Mel Gibson), but if you think of it, a person's natural inclination would be to hide something like that if they know it's not rational. I've found many people of multiple nationalities that irrationally hate Americans who would never admit it to me, but would do so to a foreign friend of mine.
The Australians that had serious issues with the British figured I'd somehow understand and agree, being an American. Understand where they were coming from? In some cases yes, especially the ones who had relatives who were held in Japanese POW camps due to Arthur Percival's incompetence in Singapore. But understand and agree? No. The actions taken against their relatives were made by individuals, not an entire people. If they hate Percival's guts, fine. He was criminally stupid. But Archibald Wavell thought the same thing AT THE TIME.
Ironically, Mel Gibson is an American. He was born in the USA and emigrated to Australia with his family at age 12 and has remained an American Citizen. IMO, just based upon his acting skills, looks, screen persona (ability to do action and comedy), great facility with accents and on-screen charisma, Gibson could have been a great Bond. As far as his shortcomings as a "human being" I don't think being raised in Australia is the culprit (according to an ADL study, Australian's tend not to be anti-semetic in thought or behavior) but his wacky, crank, anti-semetic, Holocoust denying father's influence over him and of course a weakness in personality along with a serious addiction problem.
As an Australian myself, it seems as though Mel Gibson was one of those "Honorary Australians". As in, they originated in another place then came here and found fame or whatever, in Gibson's instance, portraying Max in the Mad Max Trilogy (worth a watch). There are several other cases of this, one that comes to mind immediately is the band 'Dragon', who while from New Zealand are commonly said to be from Australia, leading to the Kiwis saying "we steal their talent" or something.... Anyway, my two cents.
I find the antipathy towards Mel Gibson very irrational. He was really drunk and said the meanest things he could think of. Then he sobered up and apologised. If he was really a hater of Jews or British people, would he have spent decades working with so many of them? He certainly wouldn't have helped revive the life and career of Robert Downey Jnr, who happens to be half-Jewish.
As far as playing Bond is concerned, I think half the leading men in Hollywood were considered for the role during the 70s and 80s. I think Gibson has a great mix of charisma, wit and intensity that would have made him a great Bond, but then Timothy Dalton might have never played the role.
Maybe TD could have played Riggs in Lethal Weapon instead.
“Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to a better understanding of ourselves.” - Carl Jung
I find the antipathy towards Mel Gibson very irrational. He was really drunk and said the meanest things he could think of. Then he sobered up and apologised. If he was really a hater of Jews or British people, would he have spent decades working with so many of them? He certainly wouldn't have helped revive the life and career of Robert Downey Jnr, who happens to be half-Jewish.
As far as playing Bond is concerned, I think half the leading men in Hollywood were considered for the role during the 70s and 80s. I think Gibson has a great mix of charisma, wit and intensity that would have made him a great Bond, but then Timothy Dalton might have never played the role.
Maybe TD could have played Riggs in Lethal Weapon instead.
I don't think the negative feelings many have towards Gibson are irrational at all. Notwithstanding his willingness and ability to work along side Jews during his career, that in no way proves he doesn't harbor anti-Semitic views. John Wayne was a known racist, but he occasionally made films with non-white co-stars. Also, while I realize that individuals say very mean and stupid things when they're drunk, I don't think alcohol can be blamed for bringing to the surface racist feelings if they didn't already have those feelings. For example, when Gibson was yelling at his girlfriend, one of the things he said was he hoped she got raped by a bunch of "N words". Now it's bad enough that he would express such a horrible about a woman, by why add the "N word" comment if he didn't believe that somehow made it worse? To me, that's a manifestation of a racist point of view. There are other examples, but I think you get my point, which is that while I understand you might not agree, there are completely rational reasons to believe Gibson is a racist and an anti-Semite.
They do say a drunk man tells the truth, if those feelings are
in you it helps bring them out.
It is also said that actions speak louder than words.
Very true, but words are not meaningless. For example, "Anti-semitism" is generally understood to refer to discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews. Certainly Gibson has on more than one occasion expressed hostility towards Jews. Again, I understand if Gibson's words aren't enough to convince you, but my point is that it isn't irrational under these circumstances if others feel differently.
And the sad thing is being catholic, the KKK wouldn't like him
Any more than the Jewish or black people he doesn't like either.
This is one crazy mixed up world. 8-) There's always someone picking
On some group and telling you " Them, They're " the problem.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
And the sad thing is being catholic, the KKK wouldn't like him
Any more than the Jewish or black people he doesn't like either.
This is one crazy mixed up world. 8-) There's always someone picking
On some group and telling you " Them, They're " the problem.
Comments
in some interview or other will slip in how he was considered for
Bond.
as a waiter who serves Barbara Broccoli at a function, will quickly
Update their CV to say how they had been considered.
I don't know why he has a chip on his shoulder against the British, I
Guess it just helps his list of people to hate get longer.
I don't agree with them at all, but believe me when I say I know a couple Australians that really, intensely dislike the British. To these individuals, ANZAC Day isn't about commemorating their dead, but rather verbally bashing the daylights out of the British for sending them in first (as if Ypres or Mons didn't happen...). This particular subgroup of Australians seem to be of the opinion that the British used them for cannon fodder in WWI and refused to listen to Sir John Monash until the bitter end*, under-equipped the Australian Army and Royal Australian Air Force in WWII**, refused to listen to Lt. General Sir Horace Robertson*** in Korea, trumped up charges against Breaker Morant and company**** in the Second Boer War fifty years before that, etc, etc.
These people aren't inherently racist (inherently and irrationally angry would be a better description)--one I know personally is 3/4 Aboriginal descent, another I know is Jewish--but it's almost a mixture of having too long a memory combined with the feeling of "hate America extending to all Americans" that one will occassionally find in Western Europe. I found it hard to put into words in my initial post, but no James Bond actor should come from that pool, ever. Period.
*Montgomery was of the opinion that Monash was the best commander of any military fielded in WWI, it should be noted.
**The Australian Army's decision-making regarding new equipment between the Wars was pretty lousy while the RAAF was jointly equipped by the British and the Americans--the latter of whom provided the Aussies with the P-47D Thunderbolt, which was quite possibly better than anything else in the Pacific at destroying the famous Japanese Mitsubishi A6M Zero.
***Not even Robertson's superiors could stand him thanks to his grating personality. Although he was correct in his assessment of Chinese involvement, the fact that Douglas MacArthur also ignored him consistently is often overlooked (and Chesty Puller listening to him was probably a testament to Puller, not Robertson).
****Given that Alfred Taylor probably falsified way more evidence than is looked at by either side against Morant, Handcock, and Witton, is it any wonder that a courts-martial would convict them?
Doesn't like foreigners , I guess in many ways I'm kind of naive
I always thought the Australia v England thing was just leg pulling
as with, the jokes about the North of England calling southerner's
Soft etc.
Jokes ? I don't think so...no love lost there at all...
It is leg pulling mainly well the north v south thing anyway well in my own experience
I take you are a southerner ?
Yea...Southerners and Masons...so woe betide a southern mason
no what made you think that
That seems to be the case in my experience. Thing is, the few I encountered who weren't kidding hid it well. I'm certainly not trying to bash any Australians here (except perhaps Mel Gibson), but if you think of it, a person's natural inclination would be to hide something like that if they know it's not rational. I've found many people of multiple nationalities that irrationally hate Americans who would never admit it to me, but would do so to a foreign friend of mine.
The Australians that had serious issues with the British figured I'd somehow understand and agree, being an American. Understand where they were coming from? In some cases yes, especially the ones who had relatives who were held in Japanese POW camps due to Arthur Percival's incompetence in Singapore. But understand and agree? No. The actions taken against their relatives were made by individuals, not an entire people. If they hate Percival's guts, fine. He was criminally stupid. But Archibald Wavell thought the same thing AT THE TIME.
As far as playing Bond is concerned, I think half the leading men in Hollywood were considered for the role during the 70s and 80s. I think Gibson has a great mix of charisma, wit and intensity that would have made him a great Bond, but then Timothy Dalton might have never played the role.
Maybe TD could have played Riggs in Lethal Weapon instead.
I don't think the negative feelings many have towards Gibson are irrational at all. Notwithstanding his willingness and ability to work along side Jews during his career, that in no way proves he doesn't harbor anti-Semitic views. John Wayne was a known racist, but he occasionally made films with non-white co-stars. Also, while I realize that individuals say very mean and stupid things when they're drunk, I don't think alcohol can be blamed for bringing to the surface racist feelings if they didn't already have those feelings. For example, when Gibson was yelling at his girlfriend, one of the things he said was he hoped she got raped by a bunch of "N words". Now it's bad enough that he would express such a horrible about a woman, by why add the "N word" comment if he didn't believe that somehow made it worse? To me, that's a manifestation of a racist point of view. There are other examples, but I think you get my point, which is that while I understand you might not agree, there are completely rational reasons to believe Gibson is a racist and an anti-Semite.
in you it helps bring them out.
Not the usual top quality stuff, I do here.
Very true, but words are not meaningless. For example, "Anti-semitism" is generally understood to refer to discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews. Certainly Gibson has on more than one occasion expressed hostility towards Jews. Again, I understand if Gibson's words aren't enough to convince you, but my point is that it isn't irrational under these circumstances if others feel differently.
Any more than the Jewish or black people he doesn't like either.
This is one crazy mixed up world. 8-) There's always someone picking
On some group and telling you " Them, They're " the problem.
So sad, so true.
http://www.deadline.com/2014/03/mel-gibson-career-hollywood-deserves-chance/
Still this seems to be important to you Daltonfan1. So I'll
Back out