Apart from the editing in QOS, I don't recognise any Bourne in Bond.
Bond is still suave, sophisticated, gambling and heavy drinker.
He still gets plenty of action in the bedroom ( and not just redecorating
It, as in my world ) )
As it's a reboot of the series with CR showing a new " rough diamond "
007, and SF introducing once again the one liners, some interplay with
Q and Moneypenny etc.
Only my opinion but Craig ( as Bond) even walks with the swagger of some
Of the older 007s. -{
Although I've seen the Bourne films but only once or twice when they're on TV
So I'm no expert, so perhaps there are some similarities, that others have noticed
But for me Craig has become Bond, very nicely. A contemporary version of course
As you couldn't transplant a 60s Bond into the modern world.
In fact from the little bits and pieces coming out about Bond24, I'm all fired up {[]
It sounds fantastic, great cast and crew, locations and some interesting action
Sequences.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Well that one man was BOND ! )
You do have a point, but I'd say apart from us Bond nerds. The average audience just wants
a good night out. So for me SF, ticks all the boxes, action humour and even some emotional
content -{ ( I had to pretend I had an eyelash, in my eye on the death of M)
As always all opinions are valid, But I'm really excited by what I'm reading about Bond24.
so at the moment I'm very happy, even down to the fact that only a few months ago in the Bond
Book of the Month I suggested Bond's old Ski instructor could be used as a great Personal
element in a future story, I'm glad EON are still listening to Me ! ( Or does that sound big Headed ? ) )
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Well that one man was BOND ! )
You do have a point, but I'd say apart from us Bond nerds. The average audience just wants
a good night out. So for me SF, ticks all the boxes, action humour and even some emotional
content -{ ( I had to pretend I had an eyelash, in my eye on the death of M)
As always all opinions are valid, But I'm really excited by what I'm reading about Bond24.
so at the moment I'm very happy, even down to the fact that only a few months ago in the Bond
Book of the Month I suggested Bond's old Ski instructor could be used as a great Personal
element in a future story, I'm glad EON are still listening to Me ! ( Or does that sound big Headed ? ) )
Not for one moment suggesting that EON aren't right in following your suggestions, TP , but can Craig-Bond stand another personal tragedy? And let's be honest, if Oberhauser (sp?) appears at the start of the film, he dies.
To quote the immortal Sheriff JW Pepper: "what are you - some kind of doomsday machine, boy?" -{
I too would like to see a straight mission. A target set up by M
And Bond sent sent like a " Blunt instrument " to slay the dragon
and free the damsel. )
Today's TV and films all seem to inject some personal elements into
Their stories. Even Superheroes have got personal and relationship
Problems. So I think this is a trend that's here to stay.
Each adventure has to be a learning experience etc.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
That's so cold, what about your gym instructor ? Is he not
Important to you, would you not go on a revenge filled killing
Spree, if he was killed by an arch nemesis ? ..... Maybe not
I'd just send a sympathy card with some flowers.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I hold no prospect of improvement with the coming film. Indeed I shall give it a miss altogether.
I think it's a shame that you would dismiss a Bond film without even seeing it, especially if you are a Bond fan. You never know what you might be missing. I understand that Craig's Bond films are not everyone's cup of tea, but even you admit that CR was excellent. Isn't it at least a possibility that the next one could be good as well? Mind you, I'm not criticizing you for your opinion. I'm just asking.
I'm a little confused (not uncommon for me) - does that mean you are here mostly to talk about the novels and other Bond related subjects, and not the movies?
I love both Book and film, with no real problems with either. Sure some
I like more than others, and even the one I did have a problem with. I
Watched and rewatched, listened to other members observations and
Opinions. Suddenly huge parts made sense, and in fact I quite like it now.
But if you don't like it, then you don't like it.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I'm a little confused (not uncommon for me) - does that mean you are here mostly to talk about the novels and other Bond related subjects, and not the movies?
No need to be confused as you've answered your question. Personally I would rather watch the 'vintage' Bond films than the new ones. Casino Royale aside (which I thought was an excellent film) my interest in the celluloid Bond fizzled out after LTK (another great film). My main concern being the removal of the character from Flemings creation. I know we have to move with the times etc & Bond has to reflect current trends but fact remains that the new films just don't do anything for me.
I think I would have probably enjoyed Skyfall etc had I been twenty years younger. On the swivel & having seen it a few times I always thought OHMSS was rubbish until I re watched it some months ago. I now believe it to be the best film of the franchise, a bold statement indeed some may say but that's my opinion.
Thanks for the explanation. Obviously I don't share many of your opinions, but I do agree with you about this - Casino Royale is excellent and On Her Majesty's Secret Service is one of the best films in the series. -{
"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
Well that one man was BOND ! )
You do have a point, but I'd say apart from us Bond nerds. The average audience just wants
a good night out. So for me SF, ticks all the boxes, action humour and even some emotional
content -{ ( I had to pretend I had an eyelash, in my eye on the death of M)
As always all opinions are valid, But I'm really excited by what I'm reading about Bond24.
so at the moment I'm very happy, even down to the fact that only a few months ago in the Bond
Book of the Month I suggested Bond's old Ski instructor could be used as a great Personal
element in a future story, I'm glad EON are still listening to Me ! ( Or does that sound big Headed ? ) )
Don't get me started - I was lobbying for the death of Dench's M years before SF's release. I'll happily take credit for that one B-)
Check out my Amazon author page!Mark Loeffelholz
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I've not posted much here, but having watched Skyfall again on ITV over Christmas find that my initial disappointment with Skyfall has only solidified since. One of my major gripes is the watering down of the realism of the film since Casino Royale, specifically:
- The plot revolves around a stolen list of intelligence agents. Not just British agents, but NATO agents. Firstly, why would such a list exist? Clearly this is not something to list. But most of all, why NATO agents??? Why on earth would NATO states provide SIS with a names of their agents? As these states intelligence agencies have an inbred fear of sharing secrets, its a completely over the top plot strand which could have been more realistic by merely going with a list of British agents instead.
- Secondly, the government inquiry into the activities of the SIS involving the questioning of its head. Why on earth is this held in public with journalists present??? Fair enough that such an inquiry can happen, but why the unrealistic inclusion of a public audience in a discussion of highly classified matters??? Needless I think.
- Why on earth was an agent of South American origin operating in Hong Kong of all places? Wouldn't his intimate knowledge of that region and its languages been more logically utilised in the continent of his birth?
I could go on and mention the weak overall dastardly plot of the master villain. I also overlook the "comedy" inclusion of the Aston's Goldfinger headlight armament (didn't Q say they don't do that anymore?). Personally, I also thought the final lines of Daniel Craig in the film "with pleasure M...with pleasure" also stunk like over ripe camembert. The root of all these points are the weak scriptwriting despite the thrilling action and stunning look of the film.
. Personally, I also thought the final lines of Daniel Craig in the film "with pleasure M...with pleasure" also stunk like over ripe camembert. The root of all these points are the weak scriptwriting despite the thrilling action and stunning look of the film.
Just my thoughts.
I'd also add the final line - "I never left" - from QOS to this litany.
Equally as crapply trite as anything Brozza had to say.
Hope Craig insisted on a bonus payment for saying both.
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,746Chief of Staff
Loved both the lines you two hate...I felt excited at the first and 'concluded' with the latter )
As for the list of NATO agents...well, Mallory does say this list shouldn't exist - so somebody either over-stepped their mark or made the list purposely for Patrice to steal...plus it could have been agents on a joint NATO task force, where intelligence was/is shared...not watertight, but good enough for me...
Loved both the lines you two hate...I felt excited at the first and 'concluded' with the latter )
Me too. I don't know what they're on about. The first was a great end to a questionable flick and the latter was a PERFECT end to a flawed but AWESOME flick.
I would say Skyfall is the most overrated Bond film. I don't know about all time. Too many people think Skyfall and Daniel Craig's Bond in particular is the best. I think it's just a newer is better thing going on. It always happens with the larger audience.
IMO Skyfall is largely catered to audiences still reeling in the aftermath of The Dark Knight. It's new, slick, grounded, and certainly "well-made", but is it better? Beneath all the gloss, I think Skyfall is an intellectually dishonest film and Bond films should stick to being popcorn escapism. But that's just me.
Hello All. My first post so I may as well kick the door in.
Skyfall was, as they say in China, Clap. The worst Bond movie to date, overhyped, oversold & over here. The only decent film DC has featured in thus far is Casino Royale.
I'll write on the report card 2/10 must do better.
Agreed.
BIG TAMWrexham, North Wales, UK.Posts: 773MI6 Agent
I was more bothered about ITV's cutting of SKYFALL. Is a shot of Bond slicing some bits of shrapnel from his chest really going to get people running off to OFCOM in complaint?
And don't get me started on the abomination that was ITV2's presentation of TOMORROW NEVER DIES...
I've not posted much here, but having watched Skyfall again on ITV over Christmas find that my initial disappointment with Skyfall has only solidified since. One of my major gripes is the watering down of the realism of the film since Casino Royale, specifically:
- The plot revolves around a stolen list of intelligence agents. Not just British agents, but NATO agents. Firstly, why would such a list exist? WHY NOT? HOW ELSE WOULD YOU KNOW WHO IS ON YOUR SIDE? Clearly this is not something to list. But most of all, why NATO agents??? SEE LAST ANSWER/ LAST I CHECKED, NATO WAS A COOPERATIVE ENTERPRISE. ALTERNATIVELY, MI6 MAY HAVE FIGURED OUT WHO THE AGENTS WERE BY SPYING ON THE AMERICANS, GERMANS, ITALIANS, ETC. Why on earth would NATO states provide SIS with a names of their agents? SEE LAST ANSWER. As these states intelligence agencies have an inbred fear of sharing secrets, its a completely over the top plot strand which could have been more realistic by merely going with a list of British agents instead.
- Secondly, the government inquiry into the activities of the SIS involving the questioning of its head. Why on earth is this held in public with journalists present??? I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S DONE IN BRITAIN, BUT IN THE US WHEN CONGRESS HAS A HEARING REGARDING NATIONAL SECURITY, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT'S NOT PUBLIC. AREN'T THERE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS IN THE UK AFTER A TERRORIST ATTACK FOR EXAMPLE? Fair enough that such an inquiry can happen, but why the unrealistic inclusion of a public audience in a discussion of highly classified matters??? THE PUBLIC ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THE LIST AND THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE TOP SECRET DISCUSSED. SINCE THE LIST WAS A PUBLIC MATTER, THE PUBLIC DESERVED SOME ANSWERS. Needless I think.
- Why on earth was an agent of South American origin operating in Hong Kong of all places? Wouldn't his intimate knowledge of that region and its languages been more logically utilised in the continent of his birth? MAYBE HE SPEAKS FLUENT MANDARIN OR CANTONESE. OR BOTH.
I could go on and mention the weak overall dastardly plot of the master villain. I also overlook the "comedy" inclusion of the Aston's Goldfinger headlight armament (didn't Q say they don't do that anymore?). THEY DON'T. THE DB5 WAS TAKEN OUT OF STORAGE BY BOND. IT'S ALL PART OF THE OLD V. NEW THEME. Personally, I also thought the final lines of Daniel Craig in the film "with pleasure M...with pleasure" also stunk like over ripe camembert. The root of all these points are the weak scriptwriting despite the thrilling action and stunning look of the film.
Just my thoughts.
My experience has been that most people who complain about plot holes in Skyfall obviously weren't paying attention.
Comments
Just don't drop the soap or Higgins will be round.
Yes, wouldn't want a closer look at those trainers !
Bond is still suave, sophisticated, gambling and heavy drinker.
He still gets plenty of action in the bedroom ( and not just redecorating
It, as in my world )
As it's a reboot of the series with CR showing a new " rough diamond "
007, and SF introducing once again the one liners, some interplay with
Q and Moneypenny etc.
Only my opinion but Craig ( as Bond) even walks with the swagger of some
Of the older 007s. -{
Although I've seen the Bourne films but only once or twice when they're on TV
So I'm no expert, so perhaps there are some similarities, that others have noticed
But for me Craig has become Bond, very nicely. A contemporary version of course
As you couldn't transplant a 60s Bond into the modern world.
In fact from the little bits and pieces coming out about Bond24, I'm all fired up {[]
It sounds fantastic, great cast and crew, locations and some interesting action
Sequences.
You do have a point, but I'd say apart from us Bond nerds. The average audience just wants
a good night out. So for me SF, ticks all the boxes, action humour and even some emotional
content -{ ( I had to pretend I had an eyelash, in my eye on the death of M)
As always all opinions are valid, But I'm really excited by what I'm reading about Bond24.
so at the moment I'm very happy, even down to the fact that only a few months ago in the Bond
Book of the Month I suggested Bond's old Ski instructor could be used as a great Personal
element in a future story, I'm glad EON are still listening to Me ! ( Or does that sound big Headed ? )
Not for one moment suggesting that EON aren't right in following your suggestions, TP
To quote the immortal Sheriff JW Pepper: "what are you - some kind of doomsday machine, boy?" -{
And Bond sent sent like a " Blunt instrument " to slay the dragon
and free the damsel.
Today's TV and films all seem to inject some personal elements into
Their stories. Even Superheroes have got personal and relationship
Problems. So I think this is a trend that's here to stay.
Each adventure has to be a learning experience etc.
"Right, that's settled. I'm off to the gym."
Important to you, would you not go on a revenge filled killing
Spree, if he was killed by an arch nemesis ? ..... Maybe not
I'd just send a sympathy card with some flowers.
"But that unmanned snow plough was intended for you, Bond!"
"Well he shouldn't have been so off guard he got in its way, then."
Where there's blame, there's a claim, my arse.
Sounds familiar, TP? :v
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I think it's a shame that you would dismiss a Bond film without even seeing it, especially if you are a Bond fan. You never know what you might be missing. I understand that Craig's Bond films are not everyone's cup of tea, but even you admit that CR was excellent. Isn't it at least a possibility that the next one could be good as well? Mind you, I'm not criticizing you for your opinion. I'm just asking.
Rant about it..................... I used to do that !
I'm a little confused (not uncommon for me) - does that mean you are here mostly to talk about the novels and other Bond related subjects, and not the movies?
I like more than others, and even the one I did have a problem with. I
Watched and rewatched, listened to other members observations and
Opinions. Suddenly huge parts made sense, and in fact I quite like it now.
But if you don't like it, then you don't like it.
OHMSS, CR, LTK. {[] You sir have great taste.
Thanks for the explanation. Obviously I don't share many of your opinions, but I do agree with you about this - Casino Royale is excellent and On Her Majesty's Secret Service is one of the best films in the series. -{
Don't get me started - I was lobbying for the death of Dench's M years before SF's release. I'll happily take credit for that one B-)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
- The plot revolves around a stolen list of intelligence agents. Not just British agents, but NATO agents. Firstly, why would such a list exist? Clearly this is not something to list. But most of all, why NATO agents??? Why on earth would NATO states provide SIS with a names of their agents? As these states intelligence agencies have an inbred fear of sharing secrets, its a completely over the top plot strand which could have been more realistic by merely going with a list of British agents instead.
- Secondly, the government inquiry into the activities of the SIS involving the questioning of its head. Why on earth is this held in public with journalists present??? Fair enough that such an inquiry can happen, but why the unrealistic inclusion of a public audience in a discussion of highly classified matters??? Needless I think.
- Why on earth was an agent of South American origin operating in Hong Kong of all places? Wouldn't his intimate knowledge of that region and its languages been more logically utilised in the continent of his birth?
I could go on and mention the weak overall dastardly plot of the master villain. I also overlook the "comedy" inclusion of the Aston's Goldfinger headlight armament (didn't Q say they don't do that anymore?). Personally, I also thought the final lines of Daniel Craig in the film "with pleasure M...with pleasure" also stunk like over ripe camembert. The root of all these points are the weak scriptwriting despite the thrilling action and stunning look of the film.
Just my thoughts.
I'd also add the final line - "I never left" - from QOS to this litany.
Equally as crapply trite as anything Brozza had to say.
Hope Craig insisted on a bonus payment for saying both.
As for the list of NATO agents...well, Mallory does say this list shouldn't exist - so somebody either over-stepped their mark or made the list purposely for Patrice to steal...plus it could have been agents on a joint NATO task force, where intelligence was/is shared...not watertight, but good enough for me...
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
It's not just you - it's me as well. Well said.
Agreed.
And don't get me started on the abomination that was ITV2's presentation of TOMORROW NEVER DIES...
Favourite Bond films: QUANTUM OF SOLACE, SKYFALL and THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
It's in my top five list for pure entertainment level.
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
My experience has been that most people who complain about plot holes in Skyfall obviously weren't paying attention.