My Impressions (So far) of the Gardner Novels

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Yes the ending is a bit different, and a bit disgusting having all that
    animal grease being smeared on his thighs ( and other places too )
    Although I thought Brokenclaw was a good villain and the Idea of
    having a native American was inspired. -{
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Never Send Flowers and Seafire through the Post today -{
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,746Chief of Staff
    Never Send Flowers and Seafire through the Post today -{

    I wouldn't get too excited ! ;)
    YNWA 97
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Yeah, NSF is one I'm dreading :#
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,746Chief of Staff
    Yeah, NSF is one I'm dreading :#

    Go in with that thought and you may get away with it :))
    YNWA 97
  • LexiLexi LondonPosts: 3,000MI6 Agent


    License Renewed - A very good start for Gardner in my Opinion. The Scottish Castle Setting is very well done and the Villain of Anton Murick is a rather interesting one. His Scheme to blow up several Nuclear Power Stations around the World was quite gripping in it's Narrative. I give it 8/10

    Just reading this myself and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. Loving Lavenders character, and the overall plot. So far, I too give it an 8/10... But haven't quite finished it yet....

    Icebreaker - Easily one of Gardner's best entry's into the Bond Literary Cannon. Involves Bond joining a Group called 'Icebreaker' who are tasked with shutting down a Neo Nazi Organization based in Russia. The Novel is full of Double Crossing and Back Stabbing that will keep you in Suspense right into the very last few Pages. 10/10

    I too really enjoyed this book...the twists and turns were great. I wouldn't credit it with 10/10... As I'm enjoying License Renewed more...so maybe a 7.5/10.

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  • bainesy1usbainesy1us Posts: 43MI6 Agent
    Just out of interest when you read these books, who do you picture playing Bond? I always think of Dalton in Gardners 80's books but Craig in some of the latter novels.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    For me its Connery as he looked in DAF -{
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  • JuraquagmireJuraquagmire CanadaPosts: 49MI6 Agent
    edited July 2014
    License Renewed - 7/10
    For Special Services - 7/10
    Icebreaker - 6/10
    Role of Honour - 4/10
    Nobody Lives Forever - 9/10
    No Deals, Mr. Bond - 8/10
    Scorpius - 7/10
    Licence to Kill - 7/10
    Win, Lose or Die - 5/10
    Brokenclaw - 7/10
    The Man from Barbarossa - 3/10
    Dalton is the Bond! Lazenby is the other fella.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Listening to the audio book of NLF and only just realised
    a character from Fleming. Gardner Kills off ( off story )
    Reappeares in a later Benson novel. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,746Chief of Staff
    Listening to the audio book of NLF and only just realised
    a character from Fleming. Gardner Kills off ( off story )
    Reappeares in a later Benson novel. :))

    He does...I remember Benson saying in an interview that he wrote as though the Gardner novels didn't exist...
    YNWA 97
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    In some ways I wish the Benson novels didn't either. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Where did you get the Audio Book for NLF?
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    edited August 2014
    Candyman2 was selling a set, I think he has some left.

    http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/34562/chivers-audio-books-read-by-david-rintoul/

    All the Fleming with NLF & LTK -{
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Cheers TP -{
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  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Listening to the audio book of NLF and only just realised
    a character from Fleming. Gardner Kills off ( off story )
    Reappeares in a later Benson novel. :))

    He does...I remember Benson saying in an interview that he wrote as though the Gardner novels didn't exist...

    Not sure either of those points are correct.

    The person who dies "off screen" in NLF: Benson explains the "demise" and subsequent resurrection in NEVER DREAM OF DYING. As the book isn't very good for a number of reasons, this contrivance, and contradiction of Gardner, is easy to overlook as an issue.

    On Benson not acknowledging the existence of Gardner's novels: Benson lists Bond's relationships with a number of Garnder heroines in ZERO MINUS TEN...
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,746Chief of Staff
    On Benson not acknowledging the existence of Gardner's novels: Benson lists Bond's relationships with a number of Garnder heroines in ZERO MINUS TEN...

    I read that from an interview done with him - if I had the magazine to hand I'd copy it and print it here...alas I don't...but it's true what you say about Benson and ZMT...I guess he just said what fit at the time....
    YNWA 97
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Although Benson did give Bond back his PPK and dropped
    His rank back to commander. Obviously a fan of the films he
    Also gave Bond loads of gadgets. :)) somehow I don't think
    Fleming would have been impressed. :#
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,746Chief of Staff
    Benson's books are written as though they are 'for the screen' - in the most part anyway...not sure if that was his choice or the way he was told to go...?..
    YNWA 97
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :D True, I keep forgetting, it's not always the writers' choice.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,854Chief of Staff
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    {[] Interesting read.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,854Chief of Staff
    Benson's books had their ups and downs, as with Gardner. As he said, he had very big shoes to fill. His enthusiasm was evident, at least at first, and his knowledge was frequently on display. I did find it interesting that he was quoted as saying that Lee and Brown both played Sir Miles Messervy in his opinion, while Admiral Hargreaves (Brown's character in TSWLM) turned up in one of his books.
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    John Gardner sadly died seven years ago today on 3rd August 2007. :#
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,854Chief of Staff
    Thanks for that, SM. His books brought much pleasure. I was a fan of his Boysie Oakes series, which I read at the time (yes, I am that old) and was quite happy when he got the Bond gig. I read all of his Bond novels as they appeared, and in general enjoyed the first few then got increasingly bored with the latter ones.
    I know you're a big fan of NSF and I re-read it a while back then commented on it, at your suggestion. "Cold" was terrible. Of his later Bond novels, I thought LTK and GE were the best but of course those were based on film scripts.
    I've never read any of his Kruger or Moriarty novels.
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,845MI6 Agent
    My pleasure, Barbel. I've read some of the Krugers and Boysie Oakes. I recently read again your review of NSF and greatly enjoyed it. As a treat here is a copy of what Simon Gardner has to say regarding the seventh anniversary of his father's death (copied with permission from Simon):

    http://www.thebondologistblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/simon-gardner-remembers-john-gardner.html

    "Like" the page this was originally posted at on Facebook - The Complete Works of John Edmund Gardner here:

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Complete-Works-of-John-Edmund-Gardner/113137615369659?fref=ts

    and on the JG Website here:

    http://john-gardner.com/content/3rd-august-2014-seven-years
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • PDJamesBondPDJamesBond Posts: 180MI6 Agent
    Benson is obviously a devout and knowledgeable Bond fan, and it's clear that he loves the character, the books, and the films. However, he just isn't a writer. His prose is so lifeless that it's like reading an instruction manual.

    Say what you will about Gardner, but the man can write. He's an established, honest-to-god WRITER, unlike Benson who is just a fan with a pen. Gardner has a different style than Fleming, but I don't think this diminishes the impact of the books.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Gardner is not Fleming and I don't think he ever tried to be. I can still
    Remember the excitement of preordering a new Bond novel from
    Gardner. I always enjoyed his Books, sure as he got sick they did drop
    In quality but I always found them a good read, and IMHO far superior
    To R Benson's stories.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • PDJamesBondPDJamesBond Posts: 180MI6 Agent
    Gardner is not Fleming and I don't think he ever tried to be. I can still
    Remember the excitement of preordering a new Bond novel from
    Gardner. I always enjoyed his Books, sure as he got sick they did drop
    In quality but I always found them a good read, and IMHO far superior
    To R Benson's stories.

    +1 to this! Well said, sir. {[]
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    One of the odd things reading the Gardner novels (as they are set not so long
    Ago , to me at least :D ) is how Bond has to use hotel phones or find a public
    Phone to contact HQ etc.
    As mobiles are so much part of life these days. It's a reminder of what life was
    Like. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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