"Debut" Bonds Seem to be the Best

chrisisall

Ornithologist wrote:

Thunderpussy wrote:

Brosnan got a very poor introduction, ... hanging about in a
Russian toilet.

And we don't count the breathtaking stunt before because it's a stuntman doing the jump? )

In all things, I blame Brosnan. :v

James Suzuki

I like all the actor's introductions to be honest. Even Moore's. He was the only Bond to begin with him in bed with a girl -{
I feel like that's a great introduction to what Moore was like.
I personally love Brosnan's intro, who cares if it was in a toilet, he was being a badass and made a funny one-liner (Sorry, forgot to knock).
I feel like Connery's intro is a bit overplayed, but its still great and oozes class etc. George's one was great, lighting the cigarette and all, and I loved the Barry music. Dalton's one was utter superb! Very cleverly done, with you not knowing which one was 007, until that one shot where he turns his head and everyone's like 'THAT"S HIM!'
Craig's intro was done very well, the film-noir scene with the bathroom fight. All of them do a good job and portraying what their Bond was like just by the first scene.

Barbel

chrisisall wrote:

In all things, I blame Brosnan. :v

Who are you, and what have you done with our Chris?

chrisisall

Barbel wrote:

chrisisall wrote:

In all things, I blame Brosnan. :v

Who are you, and what have you done with our Chris?

I was just trying to fit in with the He-Man-Brosnan-Hater's Club.
Not a good fit for me...

Thunderpussy

Yes, they're a bit too butch for me as well.

Wadsy

I agree with only On Her Majesty's Secret Service (obviously), The Living Daylights and Goldeneye. For Moore, FYEO gets my vote and for Craig, SF gets the vote.

broadshoulder

Sean - Dr No
George - OHMSS
Rog - Live and Let Die
Tim - The Living Daylights
Pierce - (lets out sigh) Goldeneye
Daniel - Casino Royale

Yep, all solid entries. Strangely enough Rog coasts through LALD. Probably the right thing to do - to get away from Sean's epic run...

Smiert-Spionam

AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

Connery had the best 'Opening Screen' Appearance, whilst Moores was not that spectacular.

Connery's opening scene is the most classic by far but I absolutely love Dalton's first appearance in TLD during the training exercise in Gibraltar. Usually I'm watching it after a marathon of silly Moore entries and as soon as I see Dalton I think 'thank god we're back to a serious, Fleming-esque Bond again'. )

Thunderpussy

I always thought Dalton's " reveal" with the wind blowing his hair etc,
Was a nod to his then, best known role as Heathcliff in Wuthering Heights ?

Gala Brand

The "first film the best" only works for me for Craig and Brosnan (I'm not counting Lazenby). In both cases EON had extra time to make the movie, so that's probably why they're the best.

Just think how good the Bond movies would be if EON only made one every ten years!

Of course most of the posters at AJB would go insane if that happened . . .

Agent Purple

IMO, CR has Craig's weakest 007 performance. He did do quite well in the PTS, but I think throughout the rest of the movie his portrayal was often dry.

I feel it took Craig one more film to make 007 his own, and that was QoS (just my opinion).

I think Connery and Brosnan had better debut performances than Craig. Then again, I happen to like both more.

broadshoulder

Agent Purple wrote:

IMO, CR has Craig's weakest 007 performance. He did do quite well in the PTS, but I think throughout the rest of the movie his portrayal was often dry.

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I have just watched Craigs performance in Casino Royale. From the first scene to the last he gives a bravura performance
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I'd watch it again if I were you...

Agent Purple

I might rewatch CR sometime, but it's currently my least fave of the Craig films. It just grew off hard for me.

Thunderpussy

) I agree, the term " Exploded on to the screen" could be used for
Craig's debut performance.

Absolutely_Cart

MooseWithFleas wrote:

I've always thought that the debut for each Bond actor was when they were at their "coolest".

Agreed, youth and novelty is the formula for cool.

broadshoulder

Wasn't he nominated for a Bafta for Casino Royale?

broadshoulder

It just grew off hard for me.

What does this mean?

Agent Purple

broadshoulder wrote:

It just grew off hard for me.

What does this mean?

That I like it less than when I first saw it.

I will concede that there are aspects I like: the directing by Campbell, Mikkelsen's acting, the torture scene, the PTS, some of the action, and Craig's delivery of the introductory line.

But I've my issues, we can discuss them more in the "Criticisms of Casino Royale" thread.

broadshoulder

Agent Purple wrote:

broadshoulder wrote:

It just grew off hard for me.

What does this mean?

That I like it less than when I first saw it.

I will concede that there are aspects I like: the directing by Campbell, Mikkelsen's acting, the torture scene, the PTS, some of the action, and Craig's delivery of the introductory line.

But I've my issues, we can discuss them more in the "Criticisms of Casino Royale" thread.

I have a theory on why you don't like the Craig era. I bet I'd right...

Agent Purple

broadshoulder wrote:

Agent Purple wrote:

broadshoulder wrote:

What does this mean?

That I like it less than when I first saw it.

I will concede that there are aspects I like: the directing by Campbell, Mikkelsen's acting, the torture scene, the PTS, some of the action, and Craig's delivery of the introductory line.

But I've my issues, we can discuss them more in the "Criticisms of Casino Royale" thread.

I have a theory on why you don't like the Craig era. I bet I'd right...

I quite like QoS and love SF. But no, I'm not too big on Craig as 007. I'd say I prefer Brosnan, Connery, Moore, and maybe even Dalton to him.

Lady Ice

I think the theory does hold up; as a debut has to sell the new actor as Bond, the film cannot let the actor down. Once the actor has proved themselves in the first film, the latter films don't need to convince us that they are Bond because we accept it. Also, the fun of the gamble- will the new actor 'become' Bond?- adds another level of excitement.

Wadsy

While I agree with this to some extent, it only goes towards The Living Daylights and Goldeneye for me. Dr No is a terrific film indeed, but was surpassed by it's two follow ups. Live And Let Die was just... a mediocre mixed bag. I don't hate it, or Moore's performance, but it misses out on his later films, and what makes 007 a great film series. Casino Royale is a great action movie but not a Bond movie in my opinion. Both Skyfall and Spectre were more enjoyable to watch.

For the ones I do agree with, TLD is an amazing Bond film with the best Bond performance in a Bond movie. I loved the locations, cast, plot and score. While the villains aren't great, this is better than LTK simply because of M16 being more involved in 007's mission, and the excellent final score by John Barry.