I don't think Dalton's CR would have been as good as Craig's. Not really because of Dalton but the people behind the camera. At the time the series relied on in-house directors who were competent and reliable, but lacked flaire and real vision. I love TLD and LTK, but there is a reason John Glen hasn't made one film classic outside the Bond series.
Before Craig Dalton was the only Bond actor who could have pulled of CR in my opinion.
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I don't think Dalton's CR would have been as good as Craig's. Not really because of Dalton but the people behind the camera. At the time the series relied on in-house directors who were competent and reliable, but lacked flaire and real vision. I love TLD and LTK, but there is a reason John Glen hasn't made one film classic outside the Bond series.
Before Craig Dalton was the only Bond actor who could have pulled of CR in my opinion.
Yes, I think you express a valid point there. As much as I love John Glen and the James Bond films of the 1980s I have to agree that they are rather workmanlike in places in terms of direction.
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I don't think Dalton's CR would have been as good as Craig's. Not really because of Dalton but the people behind the camera. At the time the series relied on in-house directors who were competent and reliable, but lacked flaire and real vision. I love TLD and LTK, but there is a reason John Glen hasn't made one film classic outside the Bond series.
Before Craig Dalton was the only Bond actor who could have pulled of CR in my opinion.
Had CR been the first one instead of DN, it would have been great too IMO. With a 31 year old Connery. Of course the torture scene would have been harder to pull off back then. Also Bond's inmortal line, "the job is done and the bitch is dead".
yes and they opted to choose the right actor for GE - Brosnan! Fortunately!
I remember that the audiences wanted him badly for years.
Indeed Dalton would not have been right for that absurdity of GE, I give you that, whatever the box office (which in inflation-adjusted dollars was just above OHMSS by the way)
I remember too the big mistake EON made by letting it be known that Pierce Brosnan was tested. That was a marketing mistake and the series suffered. EON made mistakes in the 80s such as not re-casting for good in 80-82 (they didn't fall for it a second time in 2002). The LTK marketing fiasco was just the tip of the iceberg really.
You seem to totally disregard the fact that the 80s just wasn't Bond decade. The 60s were. The 80s were Indiana Jones', Star Wars', Lethal Weapon's and Die Hard's, Stallone's, Schwarzenegger's. The franchise was in a trough in the 80s, Dalton or no Dalton.
I would have loved to see CR as Dalton's first film if it was made by a cutting edge director such as Ridley Scot or Peter Weir (or even David Levinson or Steven Spielberg). Perhaps it would be too much of a change after the Roger Moore years or possibly the combined talents of Dalton and a director at the top of his game would be just what Bond needed at the time. The way I see it the worst that could have happened was a one-of movie that became a fan favourite with time (like OHMSS) and Pierce Brosnan taking over earlier.
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I remember that the audiences wanted him badly for years.
And we got what we asked for - Brosnan badly for years )
Not very funny. X-(
That makes me misty-eyed hearing you talk like that, Sir Miles. :v
I just finished GE, and I had a jolly old time of it! -{ Though Dalton is my favourite, I'm so glad Pierce got to do the three really good ones he did.
I remember that the audiences wanted him badly for years.
And we got what we asked for - Brosnan badly for years )
Not very funny. X-(
That makes me misty-eyed hearing you talk like that, Sir Miles. :v
I just finished GE, and I had a jolly old time of it! -{ Though Dalton is my favourite, I'm so glad Pierce got to do the three really good ones he did.
All said in jest....Brosnan was let down by sub-standard scripts...
All said in jest....Brosnan was let down by sub-standard scripts...
And the idea that they'd gone a bit too far with LTK & wanted some lightness back, possibly. I could see Brosnan really trying to be a darker Bond than the script probably called for; there were moments when he shined IMO.
All said in jest....Brosnan was let down by sub-standard scripts...
And the idea that they'd gone a bit too far with LTK & wanted some lightness back, possibly. I could see Brosnan really trying to be a darker Bond than the script probably called for; there were moments when he shined IMO.
I agree with everything above. Including "there were moments when he shined". Sadly none of those were part of his Bond films IMO.
I agree with everything above. Including "there were moments when he shined". Sadly none of those were part of his Bond films IMO.
X-(
That statement seats you in the Higgins section of the Bond-actor-haters plane. No complimary snacks or drinks for you!
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I do admit that I dislike all Brosnan films with a vengeance. However, I think he's a very talented actor that had the misfortune of being stuck in a very silly period with silly scripts as pointed out. He himself says it in interviews. He's one of the big "what ifs". What if he had done TLD? Much as I like Dalton in it, I think he would have been great too. So no hate for Brosnan.
I remember very clearly watching "The Fourth Protocol" before he was Bond and thinking how good he could be. Did you see him in that?
I do admit that I dislike all Brosnan films with a vengeance.
Then do you absolutely HATE all of Moore's films? To me, Brosnan's were what Moore's could have & should have been.
However, I think he's a very talented actor that had the misfortune of being stuck in a very silly period with silly scripts as pointed out. He himself says it in interviews. He's one of the big "what ifs". What if he had done TLD? Much as I like Dalton in it, I think he would have been great too. So no hate for Brosnan.
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I remember very clearly watching "The Fourth Protocol" before he was Bond and thinking how good he could be. Did you see him in that?
Yes, he was very good in it, as he was in Live Wire, and yeah, I did hope they'd let him unleash his darker side as Bond... but given the givens, I fully appreciated his Bond as he was able to present it; Dalton & Connery ruled the role IMO, however Brosnan could have been solidly in their midst had the producers not wished to reproduce Moore's predictably good box office scores by margenalizing Bond's semi-antisocial side....
I do admit that I dislike all Brosnan films with a vengeance.
Then do you absolutely HATE all of Moore's films? To me, Brosnan's were what Moore's could have & should have been.
However, I think he's a very talented actor that had the misfortune of being stuck in a very silly period with silly scripts as pointed out. He himself says it in interviews. He's one of the big "what ifs". What if he had done TLD? Much as I like Dalton in it, I think he would have been great too. So no hate for Brosnan.
You are hereby upgraded to coach with all the amenities! -{
I remember very clearly watching "The Fourth Protocol" before he was Bond and thinking how good he could be. Did you see him in that?
Yes, he was very good in it, as he was in Live Wire, and yeah, I did hope they'd let him unleash his darker side as Bond... but given the givens, I fully appreciated his Bond as he was able to present it; Dalton & Connery ruled the role IMO, however Brosnan could have been solidly in their midst had the producers not wished to reproduce Moore's predictably good box office scores by margenalizing Bond's semi-antisocial side....
Moore was my first Bond so I'm very fond of his movies. It's not the comedy I'm against.
It's the Brosnan years I dislike, not so much because of the tone of his performance (which I dislike too, no balance at all to it, either all laughs or all serious), but because the movies had changed so much in the 89-95 gap, and simply weren't as good. I could list all the aspects but it would be too long. Just a hint, my least favourite Bond film ever is TND. Almost walked out of the theatre when I saw it in 97.
It's the Brosnan years I dislike, not so much because of the tone of his performance (which I dislike too, no balance at all to it, either all laughs or all serious), but because the movies had changed so much in the 89-95 gap, and simply weren't as good.
Not as good as the Dalton films; on this we agree.
my least favourite Bond film ever is TND. Almost walked out of the theatre when I saw it in 97.
I almost walked out of Moonraker in '79.
To each his or her own, I guess... 8-)
Dalton would have brought a deep and dark Bond to the role of Casino Royale. It definitely would have been an interesting twist to an already good Bond story.
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Dalton would have brought a deep and dark Bond to the role of Casino Royale. It definitely would have been an interesting twist to an already good Bond story.
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It's called "learning".They didn't let a film die again.
I remember that the audiences wanted him badly for years.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Before Craig Dalton was the only Bond actor who could have pulled of CR in my opinion.
Yes, I think you express a valid point there. As much as I love John Glen and the James Bond films of the 1980s I have to agree that they are rather workmanlike in places in terms of direction.
Had CR been the first one instead of DN, it would have been great too IMO. With a 31 year old Connery. Of course the torture scene would have been harder to pull off back then. Also Bond's inmortal line, "the job is done and the bitch is dead".
Indeed Dalton would not have been right for that absurdity of GE, I give you that, whatever the box office (which in inflation-adjusted dollars was just above OHMSS by the way)
I remember too the big mistake EON made by letting it be known that Pierce Brosnan was tested. That was a marketing mistake and the series suffered. EON made mistakes in the 80s such as not re-casting for good in 80-82 (they didn't fall for it a second time in 2002). The LTK marketing fiasco was just the tip of the iceberg really.
You seem to totally disregard the fact that the 80s just wasn't Bond decade. The 60s were. The 80s were Indiana Jones', Star Wars', Lethal Weapon's and Die Hard's, Stallone's, Schwarzenegger's. The franchise was in a trough in the 80s, Dalton or no Dalton.
And we got what we asked for - Brosnan badly for years
That makes me misty-eyed hearing you talk like that, Sir Miles. :v
I just finished GE, and I had a jolly old time of it! -{ Though Dalton is my favourite, I'm so glad Pierce got to do the three really good ones he did.
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All said in jest....Brosnan was let down by sub-standard scripts...
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I agree with everything above. Including "there were moments when he shined". Sadly none of those were part of his Bond films IMO.
That statement seats you in the Higgins section of the Bond-actor-haters plane. No complimary snacks or drinks for you!
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I do admit that I dislike all Brosnan films with a vengeance. However, I think he's a very talented actor that had the misfortune of being stuck in a very silly period with silly scripts as pointed out. He himself says it in interviews. He's one of the big "what ifs". What if he had done TLD? Much as I like Dalton in it, I think he would have been great too. So no hate for Brosnan.
I remember very clearly watching "The Fourth Protocol" before he was Bond and thinking how good he could be. Did you see him in that?
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Moore was my first Bond so I'm very fond of his movies. It's not the comedy I'm against.
It's the Brosnan years I dislike, not so much because of the tone of his performance (which I dislike too, no balance at all to it, either all laughs or all serious), but because the movies had changed so much in the 89-95 gap, and simply weren't as good. I could list all the aspects but it would be too long. Just a hint, my least favourite Bond film ever is TND. Almost walked out of the theatre when I saw it in 97.
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To each his or her own, I guess... 8-)
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I've seen him in these situations in other films/TV programs...no problem with them at all...
I don't think he would have had a problem with a torture scene. Admittedly, Tim wouldn't have looked as good as Craig.
Some in Ajb007 would even volunteer to torture him for free!
People love to talk Dalton !
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