Yes lovely honest people those travelling carnival types, Slightly bent barrels often, you just need a couple of shots to zero in. Mind you I havnt seen a shooting range at a fair for ages.
Catching up with TLD tonight, I was wondering about Bond at the fairground shooting range. With the
Owner asking him to stop, as he was obviously too good.
Have any of the experienced shooters here, ever tried to win a big prize in a fairground arcade shooting
Range ?
This is strange but true. Many militeas in Africa even today think that to set the sights on a rifle for longer range makes the bullet go faster! Many people have lived because of this because they have been shot at by peoples who are shooting from 200 meters but set the sights on purposes to the maximum range.
I,like may a male of a certain age ,like to watch a good westernaka cowboy film ,I like the old west,JohnWaye ,Audy Murphy, Randolph Scott to name but a few ,my question is ,how reliable ,good,accurate we’re the old time cowboy pistols ,does the phrase barn door a 20 feet come into this
I once fired a Webley pistol not the same but not far off, it’s a revolver none the less. Let’s just say it’s definately a close range weapon tens of yards max.
The Lee Enfield 303 rifle on the other hand was pretty accurate but had a kick like a flipping mule!
And don’t not get me started n the Bren gun has a tendency to drag you about a bit.
As for musket smooth bore not a great range but when it hits, you are going to know about it big style.
Cheers :007)
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I,like may a male of a certain age ,like to watch a good westernaka cowboy film ,I like the old west,JohnWaye ,Audy Murphy, Randolph Scott to name but a few ,my question is ,how reliable ,good,accurate we’re the old time cowboy pistols ,does the phrase barn door a 20 feet come into this
They were not too accurate, ideally it is best to fire a large calibre revolver two handed, in fact in reality some of these so called shoot outs were across a bar table at almost point blank range but even pistols like the PPK were pretty much used covertly muzzle into gut so to speak -{
I,like may a male of a certain age ,like to watch a good westernaka cowboy film ,I like the old west,JohnWaye ,Audy Murphy, Randolph Scott to name but a few ,my question is ,how reliable ,good,accurate we’re the old time cowboy pistols ,does the phrase barn door a 20 feet come into this
The reason these pistols were easily used one-handed was that they were largely black-powder cylinder-loaded (like the Colt Army/Navy or Remingtons), and then when cartridges became mainstream (many pistols were simply converted) the cases were charged with black powder. The recoil is far less than something like a .357 magnum revolver or .44 magnum today with the use of cordite inspired gel balls or strands. One factor in these gunfights would be the smoke from discharging. Literally two shots would have people dashing to the swing doors for air! There is no reason to assume a well-practised marksman wouldn't be accurate - guys at my range use many antique black powder pistols (non cartridge revolvers) and can punch the bulls-eye out at fifty-metres, and they only get to shoot them once a week.
I own a Winchester underlever, model 1894 tracker in .357 magnum and regularly score well at 100 yds down to 15 yds with moving targets. It's as accurate at these distances as M4s and AK's I've used in the States. In fact, I believe the Winchester carbine was the first assault rifle - small, powerful, highly accurate and rapid to fire. Look up American trick shooters to see what is possible.
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I,like may a male of a certain age ,like to watch a good westernaka cowboy film ,I like the old west,JohnWaye ,Audy Murphy, Randolph Scott to name but a few ,my question is ,how reliable ,good,accurate we’re the old time cowboy pistols ,does the phrase barn door a 20 feet come into this
Well, there is / was a reason why lawmen and stage coach "co-pilots" favored shotguns / long guns during that era. No matter what Hollywood wants us to believe, even back then bringing just a pistol to a gunfight was not unlike bringing a knife to a gunfight!
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
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I,like may a male of a certain age ,like to watch a good westernaka cowboy film ,I like the old west,JohnWaye ,Audy Murphy, Randolph Scott to name but a few ,my question is ,how reliable ,good,accurate we’re the old time cowboy pistols ,does the phrase barn door a 20 feet come into this
Well, there is / was a reason why lawmen and stage coach "co-pilots" favored shotguns / long guns during that era. No matter what Hollywood wants us to believe, even back then bringing just a pistol to a gunfight was not unlike bringing a knife to a gunfight!
That's partly why I rate the film Tombstone, for the accuracy of its gunfights. I accept the fact that it's based on historical events but shows exactly how inaccurate pistols of that time were and that you really needed to be up close to score a hit.
The US Marines battalion (Marines totation Unit - Europe) on training rotation in Norway is the first infantry unit to have suppressors ("silencers") on their rifles. Do you think this is a good idea?
The US Marines battalion (Marines totation Unit - Europe) on training rotation in Norway is the first infantry unit to have suppressors ("silencers") on their rifles. Do you think this is a good idea?
Why not, with supersonic ammo, you're not sacrificing any effectiveness down range, but what you are getting is 1) some degree of hearing protection for the troops and 2) with reduced muzzle blast, it will be harder for the enemy to pinpoint your position during combat.
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
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I agree. I remember carrying around ear protection on excersises and fumbling to put thyem on when the shooting started. Very inconvenient. It must be easier for shooting instructors on the range too. You poineted out the advantages during war.
Never wore ear defence on Ops you would not hear anything
I said you would not hear anything - oh you heard me )
That said deaf as a post these days if you were to ask my wife! ( been maried 20+ years so learnt to act dumb by now).
I guess silencer makes some sense in training to protect what you have hearing wise and silencer has tactical uses in the field for silently (ish) neutralising your en though I am sure they impact accuracy.
Other than that its a lump of extra weight on the end of your already weighty rifle - each to his own
Having said they with the HMG and GMG you want the en to hear them coming so they can mess their pants in anticipation of their arrival - bit like the 50 cal Browning when you here that open up you know a bad day is coming your way! Bit like seeing the fast air fly over head you know they have already dropped s0 time to kiss your arrse goodbye )
Cheers
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
Slightly off topic, but the battalion training in Norway experienced that the US military winter equipment isn't very good. Probably an effect of all the time spent in the dessert in the time after the cold war. There will probably be moreinvestments in winter gear and training in the coming years.
Just get soldiers from Newcastle. All they need is
A T shirt, even in winter.
Yeah even the chicks in the Toon wear practically nothing on a night out, have armour plated skin and acquire their own targets! Seen many a happless chap drunk as a skunk carried home by a local lass after a night on the tiles (muttering you are my puppy dog now)
Cheers :007)
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
Just get soldiers from Newcastle. All they need is
A T shirt, even in winter.
Yeah even the chicks in the Toon wear practically nothing on a night out, have armour plated skin and acquire their own targets! Seen many a happless chap drunk as a skunk carried home but a local lass after a night on the tiles
Cheers :007)
Slightly, only slightly off topic.... or not, I did spy some tattooed Newcastle "guns" in the mix!
I don't know. But don't say "silencer". Use the word "suppressor" instead. Gun experts get upset when people say "silencer" and you don't want to anger gun experts, do you? :v
I don't know. But don't say "silencer". Use the word "suppressor" instead. Gun experts get upset when people say "silencer" and you don't want to anger gun experts, do you? :v
Im no expert but "silencer" is not a real description, it is a "suppressor". You also have flash eliminator on the exit end of a rifle.
So yes silencer is made up as it does not silence the weapon, it suppresses the noise -{
I don't know. But don't say "silencer". Use the word "suppressor" instead. Gun experts get upset when people say "silencer" and you don't want to anger gun experts, do you? :v
I wonder if that is a relatively recent preference. I've recently read the correspondence between Ian Fleming and Geoffrey Boothroyd, both of whom happily use the term 'silencer', but that was some 60 years ago!
I'm very "Street" and the word on the street is silencer. So I'm not
Giving up my street cred for anyone. I shall still wear my jeans halfway down my arse, and will stand no truck with anyone
" dissing" Me !
John Gardner also had Bond saying similar things in his novels.
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Yes but then she wanted to get married!
Preposterous suggestion! How dare you blight the good name of those honest, hard working, loyal and law abiding folk.
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The Lee Enfield 303 rifle on the other hand was pretty accurate but had a kick like a flipping mule!
And don’t not get me started n the Bren gun has a tendency to drag you about a bit.
As for musket smooth bore not a great range but when it hits, you are going to know about it big style.
Cheers :007)
They were not too accurate, ideally it is best to fire a large calibre revolver two handed, in fact in reality some of these so called shoot outs were across a bar table at almost point blank range but even pistols like the PPK were pretty much used covertly muzzle into gut so to speak -{
The reason these pistols were easily used one-handed was that they were largely black-powder cylinder-loaded (like the Colt Army/Navy or Remingtons), and then when cartridges became mainstream (many pistols were simply converted) the cases were charged with black powder. The recoil is far less than something like a .357 magnum revolver or .44 magnum today with the use of cordite inspired gel balls or strands. One factor in these gunfights would be the smoke from discharging. Literally two shots would have people dashing to the swing doors for air! There is no reason to assume a well-practised marksman wouldn't be accurate - guys at my range use many antique black powder pistols (non cartridge revolvers) and can punch the bulls-eye out at fifty-metres, and they only get to shoot them once a week.
I own a Winchester underlever, model 1894 tracker in .357 magnum and regularly score well at 100 yds down to 15 yds with moving targets. It's as accurate at these distances as M4s and AK's I've used in the States. In fact, I believe the Winchester carbine was the first assault rifle - small, powerful, highly accurate and rapid to fire. Look up American trick shooters to see what is possible.
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Well, there is / was a reason why lawmen and stage coach "co-pilots" favored shotguns / long guns during that era. No matter what Hollywood wants us to believe, even back then bringing just a pistol to a gunfight was not unlike bringing a knife to a gunfight!
-Mr Arlington Beech
That's partly why I rate the film Tombstone, for the accuracy of its gunfights. I accept the fact that it's based on historical events but shows exactly how inaccurate pistols of that time were and that you really needed to be up close to score a hit.
Why not, with supersonic ammo, you're not sacrificing any effectiveness down range, but what you are getting is 1) some degree of hearing protection for the troops and 2) with reduced muzzle blast, it will be harder for the enemy to pinpoint your position during combat.
-Mr Arlington Beech
I said you would not hear anything - oh you heard me
That said deaf as a post these days if you were to ask my wife! ( been maried 20+ years so learnt to act dumb by now).
I guess silencer makes some sense in training to protect what you have hearing wise and silencer has tactical uses in the field for silently (ish) neutralising your en though I am sure they impact accuracy.
Other than that its a lump of extra weight on the end of your already weighty rifle - each to his own
Having said they with the HMG and GMG you want the en to hear them coming so they can mess their pants in anticipation of their arrival - bit like the 50 cal Browning when you here that open up you know a bad day is coming your way! Bit like seeing the fast air fly over head you know they have already dropped s0 time to kiss your arrse goodbye
Cheers
A T shirt, even in winter.
Cheers :007)
Slightly, only slightly off topic.... or not, I did spy some tattooed Newcastle "guns" in the mix!
-Mr Arlington Beech
I found this interesting, can a pillow act as a silencer, as in
Many old films ? .......... Quick answer um ... Sort of
Im no expert but "silencer" is not a real description, it is a "suppressor". You also have flash eliminator on the exit end of a rifle.
So yes silencer is made up as it does not silence the weapon, it suppresses the noise
I wonder if that is a relatively recent preference. I've recently read the correspondence between Ian Fleming and Geoffrey Boothroyd, both of whom happily use the term 'silencer', but that was some 60 years ago!
Giving up my street cred for anyone.
" dissing" Me !
John Gardner also had Bond saying similar things in his novels.