Would Fleming's Bond be considered an Alcoholic nowadays?

AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
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Going through all of the Fleming Novels and tallying up all of Bonds Alcohol Intake, to modern Readers this would be an extreme Excess nowadays. Would the current drinking Guidelines brand Fleming's Bond as an Alcoholic?
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    AlphaOmegaSin wrote:
    Going through all of the Fleming Novels and tallying up all of Bonds Alcohol Intake, to modern Readers this would be an extreme Excess nowadays. Would the current drinking Guidelines brand Fleming's Bond as an Alcoholic?
    Almost certainly.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,077Chief of Staff
    +1.
    (I was going to make a jokey reply in shlurred shpeech as if drunk, but it looks only like a Connery impression)
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    :)) :))
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Compared to the alcohol intake of the average Britain these days
    Bond /Fleming would be considered a moderate drinker ! :))
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  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Glass of wine a night soon and we'll all end up with a Red Card from the North London chattering elite
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    Compared to the alcohol intake of the average Britain these days
    Bond /Fleming would be considered a moderate drinker ! :))


    Yes :))
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  • DEFIANT 74205DEFIANT 74205 Perth, AustraliaPosts: 1,881MI6 Agent
    Depends on your definition of 'alcoholic', I would say. I don't think he has a drinking 'problem' as such - in the sense that he's not addicted to it, but he does like a stiff drink somewhat frequently. I don't think he's ever been recorded as having a drinking problem, nor a dependence on alcohol. In my book, he's not an alcoholic.

    That being said, he's definitely a heavy smoker.
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    I'm just reading about Bond's alcohol intake in "For Your Eyes Only" by Ben Macintyre and put in terms of quantities, the kinds of drinks consumed and the timeframes, such as Bond's visit to Blades in MR, I would say that Bond was a straight-up alcoholic without any doubt or exceptional circumstances to explain for that kind of consumption.
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  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,860MI6 Agent
    Someone did a tally on this and came to startling results. http://www.bbc.com/news/health-25349738
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Yes, I've seen that Chart :))
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) , re-reading Christopher Wood's " Spy who loved me " and on the
    Plane flying Bond into Cairo he thinks to himself his Doctor had told
    Him he was at the highest end of the heavy drinker scale. :)) I'm
    Sure that's putting it mildly 007!" ;)
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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    But I guess that's how it was at the time Fleming wrote the novels - everyone smoked, and drank more heavily. My parents had a drinks cabinet(which my brother and I shamelessly used to raid, and fill the empties with water :)) ) full of exotic stuff like ancient bottles of Tia Maria, Cointreau and Avocaat (I have no idea why).

    Though I'm sure Fleming was at the heavy end of the scale even for those times, and just passed in his vices to Bond.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :))
    I used to raid the drinks cabinet too ! :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,077Chief of Staff
    The article states Bond needed two weeks in hospital following the car crash in CR. I thought the hospitalisation was more to do with having his balls bashed by Le Chiffre! :))
  • 00730073 COPPosts: 1,067MI6 Agent
    Well, Bonds service does serve wine during lunch in the staff cafeteria.

    How many of you can get away with half a carafe of claret during lunch on the work day? :o
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    My cellar's rather poorly stocked- no clarets. Just Mouton Rothschild...
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,077Chief of Staff
    :)) heartwarming!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    My cellar's full of old electrical equipment, body parts and
    Used brains !... Still everyone needs a hobby ! :))

    As for Bond being a heavy drinker, I'm amazed at the soaps. Even midweek
    When people are at work, there are the characters in the pub drinking ! :))
    With any kind of stress, shown to be coped with by Drink . :))
    Now that's a great message to be putting out. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    My cellar's full of old electrical equipment, body parts and
    Used brains !... Still everyone needs a hobby ! :))

    As for Bond being a heavy drinker, I'm amazed at the soaps. Even midweek
    When people are at work, there are the characters in the pub drinking ! :))
    With any kind of stress, shown to be coped with by Drink . :))
    Now that's a great message to be putting out. :))

    Now you're starting to sound like Martin McGuinness TP! :))

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7245701.stm

    And I'm a teetotaler so of course I agree! :)
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) I think you'll find where I lead, conventional minds follow. :))

    Although , I first thought you meant body parts in the cellar ;)
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Body Parts of the Daughters BF's you don't approve of? :v :))
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  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    I remember reading an article on this a long time ago and the result was that though not an actual alcoholic by medical standards, he was borderline (and by that they meant right against that border) where it would only take one or two more drinks a day to push him into being a full blown alcoholic. Given that he smokes like a chimney, it's not surpising. I used to drink a lot more when I smoked (1 - 2 packs a day), though certainly not anywhere near what Bond and Fleming knocked back.
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Perhaps. Alcoholism wasn't really seen as a disease in the past, as it is today.
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  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Just a little context, for what it's worth.

    Fleming's JB wasn't the gym-loving unstoppable action man he has become but pretty much a desk bound, bored civil servant.

    I suspect even these days such people drink more than is "acceptable"...
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,926MI6 Agent
    Yes -{
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) I wonder if we'd of had the great Bond adventures if Fleming
    Hadn't been very, very drunk at the time. :D as I'm sure he'd be
    Considered an alcoholic by today's standards . :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    :)) I wonder if we'd of had the great Bond adventures if Fleming
    Hadn't been very, very drunk at the time. :D as I'm sure he'd be
    Considered an alcoholic by today's standards . :))

    Most great art is produced by drugs or alcohol sadly from Coleridge's 'Kubla Khan' onwards. :) -{
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  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,860MI6 Agent
    Absolutely_Cart wrote:
    Perhaps. Alcoholism wasn't really seen as a disease in the past, as it is today.

    Alcoholism is not a disease although it is perceived that way by people who need an excuse for not being able to stop drinking.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    edited December 2014
    Peppermill wrote:
    Alcoholism is not a disease although it is perceived that way by people who need an excuse for not being able to stop drinking.
    This probably means alcoholism has hit close to home for you, and that's the case, I'm sorry.
    No, it's not a disease like Ebola or arthritis, more akin to a predisposition like obesity or depression IMO.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Fleming must have had a drink or two to come up with
    Pussy Galore ! :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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