Thunderball vs You Only Live Twice

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Back on topic, bottom line: I think TB is a better Bond story, but that YOLT is a better Bond production.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • DevilMayCare007DevilMayCare007 Posts: 196MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Back on topic, bottom line: I think TB is a better Bond story, but that YOLT is a better Bond production.
    Agree and IMO that's where YOLT messes up bc it only focused on the production and not the story(which was terrible IMO) and that's why Connery is boring.
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Back on topic, bottom line: I think TB is a better Bond story, but that YOLT is a better Bond production.
    Agree and IMO that's where YOLT messes up bc it only focused on the production and not the story(which was terrible IMO) and that's why Connery is boring.

    I am never bored watching YOLT. Not for one second. :007)
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I am never bored watching YOLT. Not for one second. :007)
    As much as I enjoy TB (and I REALLY love the underwater stuff), YOLT just has a kinetic energy to it that cannot be denied. And I love Connery's performance. YES, I SAID IT.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    YOLT just has a kinetic energy to it that cannot be denied. And I love Connery's performance. YES, I SAID IT.

    Amen, Brother! :D
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Back on topic, bottom line: I think TB is a better Bond story, but that YOLT is a better Bond production.
    Agree and IMO that's where YOLT messes up bc it only focused on the production and not the story(which was terrible IMO) and that's why Connery is boring.

    I am never bored watching YOLT. Not for one second. :007)

    Not even in the Japanese wedding? or the sumo fights?or the long space scenes with prehistoric FX? That must be at least a good 30 minutes of the movie...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Not even in the Japanese wedding? or the sumo fights?or the long space scenes with prehistoric FX? That must be at least a good 30 minutes of the movie...
    Wanna fight? I'll beat your a*s, b*tch! :))
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,866Chief of Staff
    Virgil37 wrote:
    the long space scenes with prehistoric FX?

    Of course those FX might not have seemed prehistoric to anyone who saw the film on the big screen on its release and has watched it many, many times since. You know, someone like BL, chrisisall, me...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Agree and IMO that's where YOLT messes up bc it only focused on the production and not the story(which was terrible IMO) and that's why Connery is boring.

    I am never bored watching YOLT. Not for one second. :007)

    Not even in the Japanese wedding? or the sumo fights?or the long space scenes with prehistoric FX? That must be at least a good 30 minutes of the movie...

    Nope - I genuinely enjoy every moment. I have always been fascinated by the exposure to Japanese culture that is conveyed by scenes such as the wedding and the sumo wrestling matches. And as a young lad sitting in the movie theater watching those space scenes on that huge screen, I recall having a feeling of awe, not boredom. I still feel that way, even at my advanced age. Face it, I love that movie! :007)
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    the long space scenes with prehistoric FX?

    Of course those FX might not have seemed prehistoric to anyone who saw the film on the big screen on its release and has watched it many, many times since. You know, someone like BL, chrisisall, me...

    Exactly! -{
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
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    The movies ! :p :))
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,866Chief of Staff
    Yes, well, you put your clothes on and I'll buy you an ice-cream.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    :)) Well played.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    I have always been fascinated by the exposure to Japanese culture that is conveyed by scenes such as the wedding and the sumo wrestling matches

    As fascinating as japanese culture is, I'd rather watch a National Geographic documentary and not a Bond movie. I's great to have those cultural references spicing up the movies, but in YOLT I always felt they overdid it.
    And as a young lad sitting in the movie theater watching those space scenes on that huge screen, I recall having a feeling of awe, not boredom. I still feel that way, even at my advanced age. Face it, I love that movie!

    That is a good point, and I can relate. My first Bond movie in a theatre as a young lad was LTK, and I've always been very fond of the movie. Of course it's highly a personal thing, like falling in love. 40 years later you still see the person you fell in love with and not the wrinkles,no matter how obvious they might be to anyone else.
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Not even in the Japanese wedding? or the sumo fights?or the long space scenes with prehistoric FX? That must be at least a good 30 minutes of the movie...
    Wanna fight? I'll beat your a*s, b*tch! :))

    Over a movie? never. You win, best movie ever, if that's what you want to hear :D
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Over a movie? never. You win, best movie ever, if that's what you want to hear :D
    Agreement through intimidation? Works for me. Glad you saw the light. {[]

    :)) ;)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Over a movie? never. You win, best movie ever, if that's what you want to hear :D
    Agreement through intimidation? Works for me. Glad you saw the light. {[]

    :)) ;)

    Yeah, man. Best Bond movie ever, and in the top 5 of best movies in history, up there with Citizen Kane. A total spectacle for the senses. Leaves me knocked out everytime I watch it, and that's a couple of times a month at least... ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Yeah, man. Best Bond movie ever, and in the top 5 of best movies in history, up there with Citizen Kane. A total spectacle for the senses. Leaves me knocked out everytime I watch it, and that's a couple of times a month at least... ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
    Don't bury yourself in the part.
    :D
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Yeah, man. Best Bond movie ever, and in the top 5 of best movies in history, up there with Citizen Kane. A total spectacle for the senses. Leaves me knocked out everytime I watch it, and that's a couple of times a month at least... ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
    Don't bury yourself in the part.
    :D

    Just making sure you won't do a Le Chiffre to my...well, you get the idea :))
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Just making sure you won't do a Le Chiffre to my...well, you get the idea :))
    Never my friend; your nards are safe. I believe in non-violence.
    Unless someone disses Tim.
    Higgins is safe though, his anti-Dalton tirades are just ridiculous, hence funny. :)) -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Just making sure you won't do a Le Chiffre to my...well, you get the idea :))
    Never my friend; your nards are safe. I believe in non-violence.
    Unless someone disses Tim.
    Higgins is safe though, his anti-Dalton tirades are just ridiculous, hence funny. :)) -{

    I believe in non-violence too, but we'd fight for Tim together then. :007)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    I believe in non-violence too, but we'd fight for Tim together then. :007)
    All hail the Tim. {[]
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:

    As fascinating as japanese culture is, I'd rather watch a National Geographic documentary and not a Bond movie. I's great to have those cultural references spicing up the movies, but in YOLT I always felt they overdid it.

    .

    To be honest it was seeing the Bonds on the big screen that started my wanderlust.

    It was 1979 and I was ten watching Moonraker (my second after 'Spy') and to see the fight atop the Sugarloaf, the boats of Venice and Iguacu Falls opened it up for me. I got myself a job which enabled me to travel. I have been to Brazil - my favourite country.

    Remember the feeling of a country were a feature of the books. How would CR have turned if set in Scarborough not Royale-les-Aux
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    It was 1979 and I was ten watching Moonraker (my second after 'Spy')

    Wow, I envy you, that must have been awesome! I always loved MR, even watching it on a crappy pan-scanned VHS.
    Sugarloaf, the boats of Venice and Iguacu Falls opened it up for me. I got myself a job which enabled me to travel. I have been to Brazil - my favourite country.
    Remember the feeling of a country were a feature of the books. How would CR have turned if set in Scarborough not Royale-les-Aux

    True, I agree that the different countries, exotic places are key to the Bond formula, books and films. I just think they overdid it in YOLT where IMO they focused too much in the Japan canvas, as opposed to MR where Brazil is featured in the background, yet they don't spend 10 minutes in a capoeira exhibition.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    they don't spend 10 minutes in a capoeira exhibition.
    That actually would have been cool IMHO!
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    It was 1979 and I was ten watching Moonraker (my second after 'Spy')

    Wow, I envy you, that must have been awesome! I always loved MR, even watching it on a crappy pan-scanned VHS.
    Sugarloaf, the boats of Venice and Iguacu Falls opened it up for me. I got myself a job which enabled me to travel. I have been to Brazil - my favourite country.
    Remember the feeling of a country were a feature of the books. How would CR have turned if set in Scarborough not Royale-les-Aux

    True, I agree that the different countries, exotic places are key to the Bond formula, books and films. I just think they overdid it in YOLT where IMO they focused too much in the Japan canvas, as opposed to MR where Brazil is featured in the background, yet they don't spend 10 minutes in a capoeira exhibition.

    To be honest the locations were a feature of the books ie sunkissed Jamaica, rundown Harlem and exotic Japan. You have it that the locations are part of the scenario as well.

    The locations are one of the places you look forward too in a Bond movie...
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    It was 1979 and I was ten watching Moonraker (my second after 'Spy')

    Wow, I envy you, that must have been awesome! I always loved MR, even watching it on a crappy pan-scanned VHS.
    Sugarloaf, the boats of Venice and Iguacu Falls opened it up for me. I got myself a job which enabled me to travel. I have been to Brazil - my favourite country.
    Remember the feeling of a country were a feature of the books. How would CR have turned if set in Scarborough not Royale-les-Aux

    True, I agree that the different countries, exotic places are key to the Bond formula, books and films. I just think they overdid it in YOLT where IMO they focused too much in the Japan canvas, as opposed to MR where Brazil is featured in the background, yet they don't spend 10 minutes in a capoeira exhibition.



    To be honest the locations were a feature of the books ie sunkissed Jamaica, rundown Harlem and exotic Japan. You have it that the locations are part of the scenario as well.

    The locations are one of the places you look forward too in a Bond movie...

    I couldn't have said it better! -{ And the Japan setting in YOLT is a classic example.
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    It was 1979 and I was ten watching Moonraker (my second after 'Spy')

    Wow, I envy you, that must have been awesome! I always loved MR, even watching it on a crappy pan-scanned VHS.
    Sugarloaf, the boats of Venice and Iguacu Falls opened it up for me. I got myself a job which enabled me to travel. I have been to Brazil - my favourite country.
    Remember the feeling of a country were a feature of the books. How would CR have turned if set in Scarborough not Royale-les-Aux

    True, I agree that the different countries, exotic places are key to the Bond formula, books and films. I just think they overdid it in YOLT where IMO they focused too much in the Japan canvas, as opposed to MR where Brazil is featured in the background, yet they don't spend 10 minutes in a capoeira exhibition.

    To be honest the locations were a feature of the books ie sunkissed Jamaica, rundown Harlem and exotic Japan. You have it that the locations are part of the scenario as well.

    The locations are one of the places you look forward too in a Bond movie...

    I think you're missing the point. I completely agree that exotic places are part of the Bond formula. I just think in YOLT they overdid that element. A matter of taste. Others seem to like the Japan wedding, the sumo fights,but IMO in YOLT what should be the Japan background becomes the foreground.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    A matter of taste

    Precisely. And for my taste the focus on Japan as the site of the action wasn't overdone at all. It is one of the reasons YOLT has such high entertainment and re-watch value. :D
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
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