Good question...Performance, Kim Basinger, hands down. Claudine Auger could not act, but she was really hot. And yet Kim Basinger was THE sex symbol of the 80s...Too close to call.
Agree but I gotta go with Claudine bc she is brunette )
Top 10 Bond Films
1. Thunderball 2. FRWL 3. Casino Royale 4. TLD 5. OHMSS 6. SkyFall 7. GF 8. TSWLM 9. GE 10. FYEO
For me, the primary reason is that the villains of Never Say Never Again are well-acted and actually function as characters; we understand why Domino is attracted to Largo in the first place, and the film does an adequate job of making the audience feel something when she ultimately betrays his trust. Contrast this relationship between Domino and Largo in the original Thunderball... there really is NO relationship. Also Barbara Carrera is wonderfully batty as Fatima Blush; Fiona Volpe could have been written out of Thunderball entirely and it would have been the exact same film.
I generally agree with this except the part about writing out Fiona in Thunderball. Without her we would have been deprived of one of the sexiest women (Luciana Paluzzi) in whole Bond series!
+1
BTW, Blackleiter, I would also rank NSNA over a few of the RM films.
My current 10 favorite:
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
For me, the primary reason is that the villains of Never Say Never Again are well-acted and actually function as characters; we understand why Domino is attracted to Largo in the first place, and the film does an adequate job of making the audience feel something when she ultimately betrays his trust. Contrast this relationship between Domino and Largo in the original Thunderball... there really is NO relationship. Also Barbara Carrera is wonderfully batty as Fatima Blush; Fiona Volpe could have been written out of Thunderball entirely and it would have been the exact same film.
I generally agree with this except the part about writing out Fiona in Thunderball. Without her we would have been deprived of one of the sexiest women (Luciana Paluzzi) in whole Bond series!
+1
BTW, Blackleiter, I would also rank NSNA over a few of the RM films.
Ah! Nice to know I'm not completely off my rocker! )
I dislike both of these movies immensely -- neither of them do justice to Fleming's terrific Thunderball novel -- but admittedly I'll give the edge to Never Say Never Again, a flat yet occasionally entertaining effort, over the terribly boring, poorly-paced and supremely overrated Thunderball.
For me, the primary reason is that the villains of Never Say Never Again are well-acted and actually function as characters; we understand why Domino is attracted to Largo in the first place, and the film does an adequate job of making the audience feel something when she ultimately betrays his trust. Contrast this relationship between Domino and Largo in the original Thunderball... there really is NO relationship. Also Barbara Carrera is wonderfully batty as Fatima Blush; Fiona Volpe could have been written out of Thunderball entirely and it would have been the exact same film.
They are both pretty lousy films IMO, but I'll gladly watch Never Say Never Again any day of the week.
I agree with everything. None of them are near my top five , but I think of the two NSNA has the upper hand. TB deffinitely feels rushed . Poorly paced as you mention, and I agree it's vastly overrated.
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"The secret agent. The man who was only a silhouette..." -- Ian Fleming, Moonraker
1) The Spy Who Loved Me 2) On Her Majesty's Secret Service 3) GoldenEye 4) Casino Royale 5) Goldfinger
For me, the primary reason is that the villains of Never Say Never Again are well-acted and actually function as characters; we understand why Domino is attracted to Largo in the first place, and the film does an adequate job of making the audience feel something when she ultimately betrays his trust. Contrast this relationship between Domino and Largo in the original Thunderball... there really is NO relationship. Also Barbara Carrera is wonderfully batty as Fatima Blush; Fiona Volpe could have been written out of Thunderball entirely and it would have been the exact same film.
I generally agree with this except the part about writing out Fiona in Thunderball. Without her we would have been deprived of one of the sexiest women (Luciana Paluzzi) in whole Bond series!
+1
BTW, Blackleiter, I would also rank NSNA over a few of the RM films.
Same (as a diehard Moore fan), although I consider NSNA roughly equivalent to A View to a Kill for more than a few reasons, i.e. casting a Bond actor past their prime, having terrific villains, having a terrific theme song & both films have questionable plot logic. Never Say Never Again & A View to a Kill also seem to ride the line between "gritty" 80's flavoured violence and silly humour.
"The secret agent. The man who was only a silhouette..." -- Ian Fleming, Moonraker
1) The Spy Who Loved Me 2) On Her Majesty's Secret Service 3) GoldenEye 4) Casino Royale 5) Goldfinger
I generally agree with this except the part about writing out Fiona in Thunderball. Without her we would have been deprived of one of the sexiest women (Luciana Paluzzi) in whole Bond series!
+1
BTW, Blackleiter, I would also rank NSNA over a few of the RM films.
Same (as a diehard Moore fan), although I consider NSNA roughly equivalent to A View to a Kill for more than a few reasons, i.e. casting a Bond actor past their prime, having terrific villains, having a terrific theme song & both films have questionable plot logic. Never Say Never Again & A View to a Kill also seem to ride the line between "gritty" 80's flavoured violence and silly humour.
I never thought of it that way, but there is a lot of truth to that. (Although a past his prime Connery still comes across more believably that past his prime Moore).
Personally, I like 'Never Say Never Again' better than 'Thunderball'... Surely Tball has better and sexier Bond girls, but it's felt little dry to me, NSNA is more refresh and entertaining. Then again, I don't like Thunderball novel much...
I heard about an edit called "never say mc clory again". Using John Barry music, anyone know where to get it?
This is is a fanmade rescore/re-edit from the well known "Blofeld's Cat" using John Barry's music in place of Michel Legrand's dreadful score, adding the gunbarrel, changing the theme song, etc. Naturally I know nothing about it, since it's unauthorised.
On a totally unrelated subject, may I praise this site's wonderful PM service.
I heard about an edit called "never say mc clory again". Using John Barry music, anyone know where to get it?
This is is a fanmade rescore/re-edit from the well known "Blofeld's Cat" using John Barry's music in place of Michel Legrand's dreadful score, adding the gunbarrel, changing the theme song, etc. Naturally I know nothing about it, since it's unauthorised.
On a totally unrelated subject, may I praise this site's wonderful PM service.
I "heard" it was a pretty interesting version, complete with Shirley Bassey doing the title song, "History Repeating (Itself)" ...pretty fitting considering the history of NSNA.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
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I never really thought outright comparisons of two extremely similar things, “straight-up” fair and it applies here IMO. My own observations:
NSNA had a tough job to contend not only with TB, but with the audience-tempered standards set in place by the EON series; what if there were no EON produced TB, or no EON series altogether? Hypothetically, the EON restrictions wouldn’t exist, but there would be no “original” material to avoid infringing, so how a McClory TB/NSNA would look is up in the air.
But…let’s give credit where it’s due. NSNA in actuality was the fruition of what had been in production limbo since before the EON series began. In fact, according to the events outlined in the book, The Battle for Bond, the EON series as we know it today owes its genesis to the TB film project started by McClory, Ivar Bryce and Fleming. Documentation of their work, which went under the scrutiny of the British courts, show that through McClory’s initiative and creative input, through the hiring of screenwriter Jack Whittingham, the team transformed the “uncinematic” literary world of James Bond into a screen treatment very similar to what was seen with Dr. No a short time later (it is assumed that Fleming shared his copies of the various script drafts with EON, particularly Richard Maibaum).
It’s easy to view EON as the defender of the cinematic world of Bond as the hero of this saga, with McClory as the stinking villain, but I would be curious of how the Bond series would look like today if he never got involved with Ian Fleming? How many films in would EON have lasted had they not gone in the direction first mapped out by the Bryce/McClory/Fleming effort? Had they played it conventionally, which the producers indicated to be their first plan of attack, it might have been as short lived as the original 3 Harry Palmer movies that were produced by Harry Saltzman. Should that have happened, we might have seen the Fleming rights going through other production teams…that is, if Bond’s popularity picked up beyond the first 3 movies.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
I "heard" it was a pretty interesting version, complete with Shirley Bassey doing the title song, "History Repeating (Itself)" ...pretty fitting considering the history of NSNA.
I "heard" it was Dionne Warwick doing the title song, "Mister Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang". Not a fan of Never Say Never Again myself, the fan made re-score/re-edit is "apparently" a considerable improvement.
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1. Thunderball 2. FRWL 3. Casino Royale 4. TLD 5. OHMSS 6. SkyFall 7. GF 8. TSWLM 9. GE 10. FYEO
+1
BTW, Blackleiter, I would also rank NSNA over a few of the RM films.
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
I'm probably in the minority.
Old BL still gets pretty steamed up, too!
Ah! Nice to know I'm not completely off my rocker!
Besides every time I see Basinger I think of The Joker
Hehe
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1) The Spy Who Loved Me 2) On Her Majesty's Secret Service 3) GoldenEye 4) Casino Royale 5) Goldfinger
I actually find Ms. Basinger to be the more attractive of the two, but neither of them comes close to Ms. Paluzzi!
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edit: Thunderpussy beat me to it lol
Same (as a diehard Moore fan), although I consider NSNA roughly equivalent to A View to a Kill for more than a few reasons, i.e. casting a Bond actor past their prime, having terrific villains, having a terrific theme song & both films have questionable plot logic. Never Say Never Again & A View to a Kill also seem to ride the line between "gritty" 80's flavoured violence and silly humour.
1) The Spy Who Loved Me 2) On Her Majesty's Secret Service 3) GoldenEye 4) Casino Royale 5) Goldfinger
I never thought of it that way, but there is a lot of truth to that. (Although a past his prime Connery still comes across more believably that past his prime Moore).
Unless you count from LALD on.
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And with that, we've got a winner...it's Basinger by a (use your imagination).
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Oh yes, now we're talking!
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
This is is a fanmade rescore/re-edit from the well known "Blofeld's Cat" using John Barry's music in place of Michel Legrand's dreadful score, adding the gunbarrel, changing the theme song, etc. Naturally I know nothing about it, since it's unauthorised.
On a totally unrelated subject, may I praise this site's wonderful PM service.
I "heard" it was a pretty interesting version, complete with Shirley Bassey doing the title song, "History Repeating (Itself)" ...pretty fitting considering the history of NSNA.
NSNA had a tough job to contend not only with TB, but with the audience-tempered standards set in place by the EON series; what if there were no EON produced TB, or no EON series altogether? Hypothetically, the EON restrictions wouldn’t exist, but there would be no “original” material to avoid infringing, so how a McClory TB/NSNA would look is up in the air.
But…let’s give credit where it’s due. NSNA in actuality was the fruition of what had been in production limbo since before the EON series began. In fact, according to the events outlined in the book, The Battle for Bond, the EON series as we know it today owes its genesis to the TB film project started by McClory, Ivar Bryce and Fleming. Documentation of their work, which went under the scrutiny of the British courts, show that through McClory’s initiative and creative input, through the hiring of screenwriter Jack Whittingham, the team transformed the “uncinematic” literary world of James Bond into a screen treatment very similar to what was seen with Dr. No a short time later (it is assumed that Fleming shared his copies of the various script drafts with EON, particularly Richard Maibaum).
It’s easy to view EON as the defender of the cinematic world of Bond as the hero of this saga, with McClory as the stinking villain, but I would be curious of how the Bond series would look like today if he never got involved with Ian Fleming? How many films in would EON have lasted had they not gone in the direction first mapped out by the Bryce/McClory/Fleming effort? Had they played it conventionally, which the producers indicated to be their first plan of attack, it might have been as short lived as the original 3 Harry Palmer movies that were produced by Harry Saltzman. Should that have happened, we might have seen the Fleming rights going through other production teams…that is, if Bond’s popularity picked up beyond the first 3 movies.
I "heard" it was Dionne Warwick doing the title song, "Mister Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang". Not a fan of Never Say Never Again myself, the fan made re-score/re-edit is "apparently" a considerable improvement.