Why is Roger considered a "Superman" Bond?

Firemass

I've noticed that Roger's portrayal of 007 is sometimes regarded as a "Superman" Bond.

Just for arguments sake let's take a look at the PTS from Moonraker, Goldeneye, and Skyfall:

Sure, his Bond gets tossed out of an airplane without a parachute, but he works his arse off to obtain a parachute from the other fellow. His Bond does not simply fly away to safety, or hit the ground and somehow survive.

Compare this with Goldeneye where Brosnan does a ridiculously impossible freefall to catch the plane. Bond must have relied on some superpowers that day.

Skyfall also portrays Bond as superhuman and indestructible. His Bond is basically has the same funny invincible status as Jaws in TSWLM/MR. Send him off a cliff, over a waterfall, out of an airplane, it doesn't matter because he will keep popping up alive.

I can't think of a single RM moment that even comes close to matching the Superman moments of Brosnan and Craig.

Actually, Connery had the first "Superman 007" moment when he lassoed the tail of a B-17 flying overhead and was yanked away into the sky with Domino holding on for dear life!

Thunderpussy

Roger was the only Bond to fly like " Superman" in Moonraker.
Which was a brilliant stunt. -{ and I think his films had some of
The most outrageous, fantastic stunt work ever captured on film.
So I wouldn't be too annoyed if he's called the " Superman" Bond
"Stuntman" Bond might be more appropriate ! {[]

Virgil37

Firemass wrote:

Compare this with Goldeneye where Brosnan does a ridiculously impossible freefall to catch the plane. Bond must have relied on some superpowers that day.
Skyfall also portrays Bond as superhuman and indestructible.  His Bond is basically has the same funny invincible status as Jaws in TSWLM/MR. Send him off a cliff, over a waterfall, out of an airplane, it doesn't matter because he will keep popping up alive. 

The difference is Brosnan's stunt would be impossible in real life, whereas Craig's is possible, though highly unlikely.

As for Roger, he's the first Bond to have those near impossible stunts. Also, he does everything without losing his cool, and without a hair out of place (The end of MR, he's destroying capsules flying around the world in a space shuttle, yet he could be having a tea with the Queen)

Virgil37

By pure chance I just found this, I thought you might like it.

Firemass

Virgil37 wrote:

The end of MR, he's destroying capsules flying around the world in a space shuttle, yet he could be having a tea with the Queen

That was basically an auto-pilot type scenario. Similar to flying a drone aircraft from a laptop.

Don't forget the great scene earlier in the centrifuge trainer where got the *&!# knocked out of him. And in regards to your Octopussy photo: Disarming that bomb in at the circus was certainly no picnic…that might be the closest we've come to seeing Bond in sheer panic.

chrisisall

Virgil37 wrote:

By pure chance I just found this, I thought you might like it.

Sorry, Photoshop crap. 8-)

Virgil37

chrisisall wrote:

Virgil37 wrote:

By pure chance I just found this, I thought you might like it.

Sorry, Photoshop crap. 8-)

Given both Octopussy and Superman III were shot at Pinewood Studios and released in june 83,it could be genuine.

Virgil37

Firemass wrote:

That was basically an auto-pilot type scenario. Similar to flying a drone aircraft from a laptop. 

When the auto-pilot malfunctions and he has to shoot manually, he's still as cool as a cucumber.

Firemass wrote:

Don't forget the great scene earlier in the centrifuge trainer where got the *&!# knocked out of him.

Right, that must be the one scene where he acts a little like a human being would, hair out of place, not being able to walk properly, all sweaty. The next minute he's perfect again like nothing happened. A normal human being would take a week in hospital to recover. He's no doubt a Super-human.

Firemass wrote:

Octopussy photo: Disarming that bomb in at the circus was certainly no picnic…that might be the closest we've come to seeing Bond in sheer panic.

He was in panic because of the people, not because of himself. By the way, do you think the picture is fake? I don't think so, it looks genuine to me.

chrisisall

Virgil37 wrote:

Given both Octopussy and Superman III were shot at Pinewood Studios and released in june 83,it could be genuine.

It's documented that Reeve visited the set, but this photo is fake. Reeve was a good 3 inches taller than Moore, and look at the line between them. Nicely done for amateur work, but please. )

AdamOmega

Interesting thread. I hadn't previously considered the parallels between Roger Moore's James Bond and Superman (specifically), but once thing I always appreciated about the Moore era Bond movies was that they frequently brought a comic book sensibility to the films; Bond fans are typically keen on drawing ties to the literary origins of the character (Fleming, etc.) but tend to forget that 007 also made a rather effortless transition to comic strips as well. I've always enjoyed "heightened reality" and outlandishness of certain Bond movies, particularly in the Roger Moore era.

Higgins

I've never heard that Superman analogy

0073

Firemass wrote:

Actually, Connery had the first "Superman 007" moment when he lassoed the tail of a B-17 flying overhead and was yanked away into the sky with Domino holding on for dear life!

Nope, that was just another method of extracting personnel.

It was called Fulton Surface to Air Recovery System, STARS for short, and it was actually in service up until 1996.

Here is wiki page of the system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery_system

Here is a Daily Mail article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218540/The-real-life-James-Bond-rescues-Flying-Skyhook-wasnt-just-007-helped-recover-CIA-agents-enemy-lines.html

Have a nice-one.

sniperUK

Firemass wrote:

Compare this with Goldeneye where Brosnan does a ridiculously impossible freefall to catch the plane. Bond must have relied on some superpowers that day.
!

Totally impossible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9PxJU3eIcA

Thunderpussy

) great video -{

Virgil37

chrisisall wrote:

Virgil37 wrote:

Given both Octopussy and Superman III were shot at Pinewood Studios and released in june 83,it could be genuine.

It's documented that Reeve visited the set, but this photo is fake. Reeve was a good 3 inches taller than Moore, and look at the line between them. Nicely done for amateur work, but please. )

True, Reeve was 6' 4", but you can't really tell from the picture where Moore is standing or what footwear they're wearing, can you? I don't see a "line between them", and the lighting is correct (look at the reflection in their eyes).If you say it's documented that Reeve visited the OP set, it could be genuine.

AlphaOmegaSin

Bond holding onto the Plane in OP would be rather difficult to do

Virgil37

sniperUK wrote:

Firemass wrote:

Compare this with Goldeneye where Brosnan does a ridiculously impossible freefall to catch the plane. Bond must have relied on some superpowers that day.
!

Totally impossible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9PxJU3eIcA

Where's the mountain? where's the motorbike? It's not the same stunt. In fact, they couldn't pull it off in the movie. B.J. Worth is interviewed saying although he thought the stunt was feasible, they could't make it happen. That's why the actual film was obviously FX.

sniperUK

The word you used there was FEASABLE not impossible. The take of speed of a Porter is only 40 plus MPH, less in a headwind, groundspeed of a motor cycle is well in excess of that, with the catapult effect it would propell the bike at greater speed towards the aircraft that will reach terminal velocity ,unpowered fall, later than the bike due to slower take off rate and more drag making it FEASIBLE that it could catch up or even over take the falling aircraft . As the video shows, using the same type of aircraft the it is possible to enter a falling Porter from freefall. Making it FEASIBLE as BJ Worth said .

Virgil37

sniperUK wrote:

The word you used there was FEASABLE not impossible. The take of speed of a Porter is only 40 plus MPH, less in a headwind, groundspeed of a motor cycle is well in excess of that, with the catapult effect it would propell the bike at greater speed towards the aircraft that will reach terminal velocity ,unpowered fall, later than the bike due to slower take off rate and more drag making it FEASIBLE that it could catch up or even over take the falling aircraft . As the video shows, using the same type of aircraft the it is possible to enter a falling Porter from freefall. Making it FEASIBLE as BJ Worth said .

I can't be so FEASIBLE when they tried it several times, and ended up using crappy FX to make it happen.

Thunderpussy

+1, I'm happy with Feasable, it is Entertainment after all not a Documentary.
as Fleming himself said, his stories were " Improbable, not Impossible"

Virgil37

Thunderpussy wrote:

+1, I'm happy with Feasable, it is Entertainment after all not a Documentary.
as Fleming himself said, his stories were " Improbable, not Impossible"

Yes, but if it's feasible it should be captured on film. That's the point of Bond stunts. The MR PTS is "improbable, not impossible", and they could capture it on film. GE PTS, might be feasible in certain conditions, but it turned out to be impossible film.

Higgins

wait a minute!

I've heard that the Moonraker PTS stunt was not done in one take and I really feel kind of cheated because it's obviously not "feasible" X-(

Thunderpussy

) ) )
I can't believe it took more than one take ! I bet they
Even wore concealed parachutes ! Oh how the movies
Lie to us.

Higgins

wow, I am feeling now so much cheated X-(

Does someone have EONs email address?
I am asking my money back

Virgil37

Higgins wrote:

wait a minute!

I've heard that the Moonraker PTS stunt was not done in one take and I really feel kind of cheated because it's obviously not "feasible" X-(

Nobody is discussing editing.

I really felt cheated in that GE scene.

Peppermill

Virgil37 wrote:

Higgins wrote:

wait a minute!

I've heard that the Moonraker PTS stunt was not done in one take and I really feel kind of cheated because it's obviously not "feasible" X-(

Nobody is discussing editing.

I really felt cheated in that GE scene.

I remember the entire cinema cheering after that. Everybody knew "Bond IS BACK!!!"

Blackleiter

Peppermill wrote:

Virgil37 wrote:

Higgins wrote:

wait a minute!

I've heard that the Moonraker PTS stunt was not done in one take and I really feel kind of cheated because it's obviously not "feasible" X-(

Nobody is discussing editing.

I really felt cheated in that GE scene.

I remember the entire cinema cheering after that. Everybody knew "Bond IS BACK!!!"

It was the same in the theater where I first saw Goldeneye. We were thrilled! -{

broadshoulder

Peppermill wrote:

Virgil37 wrote:

Higgins wrote:

wait a minute!

I've heard that the Moonraker PTS stunt was not done in one take and I really feel kind of cheated because it's obviously not "feasible" X-(

Nobody is discussing editing.

I really felt cheated in that GE scene.

I remember the entire cinema cheering after that. Everybody knew "Bond IS BACK!!!"

I have mixed feelings about Goldeneye...

+ glad Bond is back

- it like going backwards

Virgil37

Blackleiter wrote:

Peppermill wrote:

Virgil37 wrote:

Nobody is discussing editing.

I really felt cheated in that GE scene.

I remember the entire cinema cheering after that. Everybody knew "Bond IS BACK!!!"

It was the same in the theater where I first saw Goldeneye. We were thrilled! -{

I remember everybody laughing at the scene. It was embarrassing.

Thunderpussy

Maybe it depended on which cinema you first watched it in ? )
Some get an odd crowd, I seem to remember the audience cheering
When I appeared. )

Blackleiter

Moore was considered the "Superman" Bond because he was able to knock out his opponents with the super wind emanating from his swinging fists and legs, since his punches and kicks obviously didn't even come close to actually striking anyone! )